Anti-Muslim protesters shout ‘hateful’ rhetoric at Toronto-area school board meeting

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And they were all baby boomers.


Anti-Muslim protesters shout ‘hateful’ rhetoric at Toronto-area school board meeting


J.P. MOCZULSKI/The Globe and Mail

Police intervened at a Toronto-area school board meeting on Wednesday evening after members in the audience shouted anti-Muslim rhetoric, tore pages from a Koran and stepped on the religious text.

The events at the Peel District School Board forced Ontario's Liberal government to issue a statement on Thursday that it supported the district's move to provide religious accommodation to its students.

At issue is the school board providing space for Muslim students to pray as a group every Friday. Critics argue a secular school system should not accommodate religion. But boards are legally required to provide religious accommodation, when it's requested. Some school boards in the Greater Toronto Area, for example, have allowed students to be exempted based on religious beliefs from classes, including music and art, but only as a last resort and after failing to reach a compromise with parents.

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"We know that the Peel District School Board has been working closely with their students and the community for more than a decade on religious accommodation in their schools and we are pleased to see their commitment to inclusion," Education Minister Mitzie Hunter and Michael Coteau, minister of children and youth services, said in a statement on Thursday. "Realizing the promise of Ontario's diversity is a continuous process grounded in actively respecting and valuing the full range of our differences."

Brian Woodland, a spokesman at Peel, said about 80 people attended the board meeting Wednesday and the situation escalated quickly. He said members of the crowd immediately began shouting "fairly horrific" anti-Muslim comments.

As school trustees began to offer tributes to a retiring staff members, they were interrupted. One person in the audience stood up, tore up a copy of the Koran, and another person walked on the pages, Mr. Woodland said.

Other meetings of late have also been disruptive. Peel police were on hand, and about half-an-hour into the meeting were asked by the board's chair to clear the crowd out of the room.

Mr. Woodland said that those in the room who were critical of religious accommodation were actually opposed to accommodating the Muslim community in schools.

"They used language and comments that were the most hateful that I have ever seen in my career," Mr. Woodland said. "I was actually deeply shaken by what I heard. I'm not sure I've ever in my life seen this level of hatred."

Pardeep Khunger, a Hindu father of two children who attend schools in Peel, said he came to Wednesday's meeting to oppose religious accommodations being made in secular schools. He said it is disruptive to the learning day and it segregates students.

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"Not only Peel schools but other boards who are accommodating this should focus on the education, rather than these things that are segregating the students," he said.

Mr. Woodland countered: "We are legally required. We do know the [Ontario Human Rights] Code, and we do consult with legal counsel."

He acknowledged that some parents are concerned, but the board is providing information, including the fact that all Ontario school boards are required to offer religious accommodation, and that Friday prayer does not impact student learning.

The protests in Peel have escalated after the board brought a new procedure in the fall that required Muslim students to choose from six prewritten sermons at the Jummah prayers, the communal worship in which devout Muslims participate every Friday. That meant students leading Friday prayers for their Muslim peers at their high school could use only the sermons (khutbahs) approved by the school board, instead of writing their own and using one approved by a school administrator.

After some push-back from students and community members that the decision to limit their sermons violated their right to religious freedom, the board earlier this year revised its procedure and allowed students to either to deliver their own sermons or choose from several prewritten ones approved by local imams.

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If it was a Christian prayer accommodation, I doubt they would be as forthcoming.


I have no issues with religious accommodation as long as it is applied to all religions as required.
 

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If it were a flobbergabber's meeting, no one would bat an eye about the flobbergabbers.
 

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If it was a Christian prayer accommodation, I doubt they would be as forthcoming.


I have no issues with religious accommodation as long as it is applied to all religions as required.



Christians are not required to pray at certain times. So no accommodation for that is required.
 

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Christians are not required to pray at certain times. So no accommodation for that is required.

They are required to honour the Sabbath though, and they are provided with Saturday and Sunday for that.

If schools were closed on Friday and Saturday instead of Saturday and Sunday, I would hope the school would try to accommodate somehow.
 

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They are required to honour the Sabbath though, and they are provided with Saturday and Sunday for that.

If schools were closed on Friday and Saturday instead of Saturday and Sunday, I would hope the school would try to accommodate somehow.



they aren't, so the point is moot.
 

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Pardeep Khunger, a Hindu father of two children who attend schools in Peel, said he came to Wednesday's meeting to oppose religious accommodations being made in secular schools. He said it is disruptive to the learning day and it segregates students.

Bingo. What more needs to be said, are the students going to school to learn or to pray?

The temple is for praying and school is for learning. We've listened to screams of outrage from the progressives about keeping religion out of school for years, now all of the sudden they're screeching that we need to accommodate it. They are a confused bunch to be sure.

And they were all baby boomers.
Lol, yeah those crazy Hindu baby boomers.
 

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Bingo. What more needs to be said, are the students going to school to learn or to pray?

The temple is for praying and school is for learning. We've listened to screams of outrage from the progressives about keeping religion out of school for years, now all of the sudden they're screeching that we need to accommodate it. They are a confused bunch to be sure.


Lol, yeah those crazy Hindu baby boomers.

Exactly. I think they did the right thing with the Sabbath, Christmas and Easter. Just schedule classes around scheduled religious times. Problem solved.
 

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What it does mean is that Christians are accommodated in the ultimate sense. The school schedule revolves around a Christian calendar.
Much as it might surprise you, this country was built on christian morals and values. Things have changed a great deal in the last few decades, and religious observance in schools has had to adapt. When so much change is thrust on a culture in such a short time (yes, despite what Trudeau would have you believe, there is such a thing as Canadian culture), it's impossible to expect this adaptation over night. Frankly, I'm surprised there hasn't been an all-out civil revolt against multiculturalism with the volume of cultural change that Canadians have been expected to accept in such a short period of time.

It has been demanded over the last couple of generations that Canadian schools be sterilized of christian values and all religious observance. Despite some minor push-back, the progressives pretty much got their way. After all, one wouldn't want to be labelled as culturally exclusionary or a supremacist, or worst of all...racist right? It's little wonder that now Canadians are left to wonder why the hypocrisy...why the effort to promote segregation, to accept religions as long as they're of eastern or indigenous origin. It's hard to blame people who are lodging accusations of double-standard, and the answers they are getting from the progressive left is obviously not satisfactorily answering their questions.

As this country becomes more and more culturally "diverse", it would be fair to expect more and more conflict, the two are relative. You have no further to look than any history book for proof. Trudeau's grand dream of Canada not being defined by it's unity, but it's diversity; that it is not actually even a country, but as he describes it "a post-national state" will certainly fuel more cultural unrest, and just may be the undoing of traditional Canadian culture altogether, to his immense satisfaction.
 

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Actually, we are probably more Christian today than we were in the past. We eliminated slavery, the Chinese Exclusion Act, the Indian Residential School system, etc. There is still much work to be done to finally make Canada a Christian country, but we've come a long way. Indigenous peoples are now free to practice their spirituality too now.

Maybe in the future we'll grant minorities even more freedom. Step by Step.

And as for the question of double standards, what religions are included in the separate-school provisions of the Constitution?

Also, historically, Canada was probably more diverse than it is today. Up until around 1900 on the west Coast, Wawa competed with English as the regional lingua franca. Just saying.

When we consider the indigenous peoples, Canada is in fact an international state.
 

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When we consider the indigenous peoples, Canada is in fact an international state.


When you consider that a quarter of us speak French as their first langusge, we are in fact an international state.
 

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When we consider the indigenous peoples, Canada is in fact an international state.


When you consider that a quarter of us speak French as their first langusge, we are in fact an international state.

In addition, yes. Remember that Germans built Younge Street in Toronto and Berlin Ontario (now Waterloo, a little more British don't you think: nothing like rewriting history). Ukrainians settled the prairies and the Chinese built the railroads. We needed the Chinese Exclusion Act to delete that part of history. We also needed to change the name of Berlin ON and force kids into residential schools. We interred Japanese Canadians and then later forced them to move out east away from the west coast.

In Canada, history did not naturally evolve. It was made by breaking quite a few eggs. Until WWI, German was the dominant language in Berlin ON for example.

So you are fine with Christians holding prayer sessions at public schools ?

Absolutely. Why not?
 

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So you are fine with Christians holding prayer sessions at public schools ?


As I said, Christians are not required by their faith to pray at certain times of the day. Therefore, there is no need for "accommodation" for prayer.
 

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In addition, yes. Remember that Germans built Younge Street in Toronto and Berlin Ontario (now Waterloo, a little more British don't you think: nothing like rewriting history). Ukrainians settled the

Long before those settlements, Low German Tunkers and Mennonites came here by the thousands from Pennsylvania as part of the Loyalist waves.

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There were also the "King's Germans".
 

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In addition, yes. Remember that Germans built Younge Street in Toronto and Berlin Ontario (now Waterloo, a little more British don't you think: nothing like rewriting history). Ukrainians settled the

Long before those settlements, Low German Tunkers and Mennonites came here by the thousands from Pennsylvania as part of the Loyalist waves.

The Vineland Cemetery | Pennsylvania German Folklore Society of Ontario

There were also the "King's Germans".

So when was Canada ever not an international state?

The whole idea of it being exclusively Anglo-French was really just a rewriting of history between English and French Canadians in collusion.