Anti-Americanism is madness, says Blair.

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Cortez would have us believe this anti-Americanism is but a blip, I tell you it has been around since before the US was an independent country. Those are historical facts.

That's quite the silliest thing I've seen from you today, are you telling us that America is persecuted and has been since before it existed, what was the form of this pre-emptive nastyness?

What other nation uses the persecution card all the time, let me see it will come to me sooner or later.
 

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Darkbeaver's mindset is as hardened as those he
condemns.

You can't really say he's eclectic in his world view.

What are we going to have here stereotypes fighting
stereotypes ??

I think America is guilty for the bad rap it has regarding
its own hubris. It started a long time ago, and at one
time a book and a movie's title was THE UGLY AMERICAN.

Chomsky spoke of the AMERICAN MANDARINS.

I also think much of the Western World unfortunately
is so disgusted by American hubris and skullduggery that
it blinds them from infinitely
larger evils and dangers and it even blinds them
from their own lack of agressiveness in dealing with
these dangers.

I believe America is in an advanced degreed course
in learning of its own hypocrisy.

I fear other nations haven't even begun a freshman
course in it.
 

darkbeaver

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What larger evils and dangers JimMoyer tell me what evil does my hate blind me to that I should embrace the enemy on my doorstep and forget the carnage. Your suggestion that
America and her people have begun the necessary self examination for your salvation is rediculous, you would destroy the world before you would allow that exercise to happen, because that is an examination your nation cannot survive, to undergo that would be your end, to not undergo that will be your end. You require radical change to survive I don't think you have the spirit for it, you are morally and ethically exhausted, all you have left are lies and war.
 

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darkbeaver said:
I think not said:
Cortez would have us believe this anti-Americanism is but a blip, I tell you it has been around since before the US was an independent country. Those are historical facts.

That's quite the silliest thing I've seen from you today, are you telling us that America is persecuted and has been since before it existed, what was the form of this pre-emptive nastyness?

What other nation uses the persecution card all the time, let me see it will come to me sooner or later.

It's not my fault you are ignorant on historical events, try and read something other than the daily Pravda.
 

jimmoyer

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Your lack of self-examination
would lead you to do nothing.

And unfortunately being isolationist is as bad
as interference, because either way people will die.

I feel in every respect you are the flip side of
the same coin you condemn. One side being left.
One side being right.

Your behavior and consistency and lack of nuance
on any matter is very similar to the behavior of the
far right wing.

America is the bogeyman. To you, even its people are.

Nothing else deserves inspection.

You're just marching to a drum, like the rightwing
marches to their drum.

No different.

Both have great negative impact.
 

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The Madrassa's in Pakistan and Afghanistan have graduated hundreds of thousands rabid anti American students.
Looking around here I see Canada has appeared to match them.
Anti-Americanism spoonfed to Canadian grade school kids
by Judi McLeod

June 7, 2004

It’s not just overreaction or Yankee imagination. Anti-Americanism is not only alive and well, it’s spoon fed in Canada.

And it stems from a taxpayer paid source: the classroom.

The Three `Rs, Canada style, have been teaching school children as young as grade school an image of Americans as dishonourable, churlish and even bullying. This less than admirable image emerges in a study, presented this week to the Congress of the Humanities and Social Sciences, hosted by the University of Manitoba.

Amy von Heyking is a professor of education at the University of Alberta. A specialist in the history of curricula and teaching materials, von Heyking relied on actual Canadian classroom textbooks--75 of them--used in Canadian history, geography, civics and social studies courses in elementary and secondary schools.

Ironic that the release of the study coincides with the 60th Anniversary of D-Day.

The Canadian grade school set get their anti-Americanism during the school day.

Down through the decades, in Canadian textbooks American society has been portrayed as revolutionary and lawless. America’s contribution to World War 1 is dismissed, textbook form, as coming late, when the tide had already turned.

Bad Housing as the American way is documented in a chapter of its own because of the supposed role it plays in the development of crime.

America’s children are portrayed as being brought up in "filthy tenements, driven out upon the streets to play in `gangs’," according to a 1934 textbook that was prevalent in Canadian classrooms of the day.

In contrast, Canadians are depicted as orderly, harmonious and gentlemanly.

States the study author: "After the Second World War, the United States emerged as a champion of democracy around the world. This allowed Canada to trumpet its status as middle-power broker to negotiate and compromise in a way that the United States couldn’t."

This explains where little Paulie (Martin), little Johnny (Chretien) and the plethora of anti-American Canadian journalists got their base for Yankee bashing. They, too are among the masses, which were educated in Canadian classrooms.

Chretien and Martin, the last two Liberal Canadian prime ministers have been avid boosters of the United Nations. Both men count UN Secretary General Kofi Annan special advisor, Maurice Strong as mentor and friend.

Not only did Canada refuse to join the U.S. and allies in the Iraq war; its government has been openly critical of the U.S. and its allies in Iraq.

The Liberals’ proposal for a "Peace and Nation-Building Initiative" that would not employ fighting troops, but rather "troops tasked to build institutions in fractured countries, has raised the dander of experienced Canadian peacekeepers.

Running for re-election in the Canadian June 28 federal election are Carolyn Parrish, a Liberal MP who stated publicly "I hate those American bastards" and MP Colleen Beaumier, whose visit and sympathies for Iraq earned her the nickname "Baghdad Beaumier".

Meanwhile, while anti-Americanism flourishes in America’s next door neighbour, the U.S. is Canada’s number one trading partner and because of Canada’s marginalized Armed Forces, its chief protector.

To read other News items, Columns and Editorials by Judi McLeod, please click here
Canada Free Press founding editor Judi McLeod is an award-winning journalist with 30 years experience in the media. A former Toronto Sun and Kingston Whig Standard columnist, she has also appeared on Newsmax.com, the Drudge Report, Foxnews.com, and World Net Daily. Judi can be reached at: letters@canadafreepress.com. You can read your Letters to the Editor here.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/main060704.htm
 

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Jersay said:
That is nice Blair, keep your comments to yuorself. People can do whatever they want, hate whoever they want in a free and open society.

Oh wait, they can only do that if they support Uncle Sam.

This coming from a citizen in a country with hate speech laws.

:lol:
 

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All you see from the worlds left is them beating the same old hate America drum. Many of these people are the ones who protested the Tailisman in Sudan. Now that the Talisman is gone from Sudan the protests have stopped while the energy industry is now run by Chinese interests.

But do you see the activists protesting in front of the Chinese embassy??? nope....the continued occupation of Tibet, the "bitchslapping" of Tiawan (China's injustices can fill a encyclopedia)...but this is all forgotten in the rush of who can shout the loudest at the "evil Americans".

This is nothing but self righteous protest which has nothing to do with peace. Its about grandstanding and shouting at a friendly target unlikely to retaliate.
 

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Re: RE: Anti-Americanism is madness, says Blair.

cortez said:
jimmoyer said:
I would rather the grand US military imperialist adventure TOTALLY fail, if only for my friends in the US.. fail SO BADLY that some serious reconsideration may even be required, ....
---------------------------mabudon--------------------------


It's more important to them that America fails, than
for Iraq to succeed as a viable peaceful nation.

i think the point of the post was that if american fails---
it might reconsider its policy of pre-emptive strike-- and choose another more productive strategy
imperialism - is not something i believe most americans want their country to participate in

BINGO, thanks for the translation cortez

And that article about anti-americanism in schools is PURE BS.... not any actual facts supporting the title other than a reference to a couple of passages in some ancient textbook (and I think the ghetto-ization of some major population centres in the US could be pretty difficult to deny, unlike what is suggested by the author)

I was NOT taught to have any "feelings" about ANY country when I was in school, must have been a "blip"
 

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I don't remember being in school where did I get the anti-american thing, oh ya I forgot, the koolaide, I drink it out of my tinfoil hat.

The universites are controled by academics from the US and they prep the teachers. If you recall being in university you will understand how you became a packaged product. I went through the drill myself and then I went abroad and it took a while to see that I had been duped.
 

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Letter to the Editor.
Afraid to fly his Stars and Stripes

National Post
Published: Tuesday, March 28, 2006
Re: Peas In A Pod, Terry O'Neill, March 23.

Mr. O'Neill's column about the supposed differences between Americans and Canadians certainly caught my attention. Two of my children were born in United States but live in Canada, and two were born in Canada but live in the States. Another child is buried in a cemetery in New England, and I have lived and travelled extensively in both countries.

While walking through a middle-class suburb in Illinois, I noticed its striking similarity to a Canadian suburb. Houses look just like those in Toronto or Vancouver. Here and there an American or Canadian flag is flying, people are strolling in the sunshine, and kids are playing football in the local playground. Staff in the stores and restaurants are friendly and polite.

Now we live in a similar Canadian village. People in both these places chat about their work and families. When they do talk politics, they complain about taxes and politicians. At the time of my son's accident, our American neighbours cooked our meals and looked after our children. They were kind and helpful; much like Canadians.

There is, however, a difference that has become very obvious to me. Never did we hear a "Yank" speak disparagingly about Canadians. But in Canada, we hear anti-American remarks every day.

We won't fly our American flag here; it would probably be vandalized.

Howie Clarke, Qualicum Beach, B.C.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/....html?id=812d424f-c5fc-4e15-b65e-25f22cab6586
I should look at a few American sites to see if they diss tCanada 24/7 ?
Somehow I doubt they suffer from a inferiority complex.
 

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I would rather the grand US military imperialist adventure TOTALLY fail, if only for my friends in the US.. fail SO BADLY that some serious reconsideration may even be required, ....
---------------------------mabudon--------------------------


It's more important to them that America fails, than
for Iraq to succeed as a viable peaceful nation.
-----------------jimmoyer's response to mabudon----------

i think the point of the post was that if american fails---
it might reconsider its policy of pre-emptive strike-- and choose another more productive strategy
imperialism - is not something i believe most americans want their country to participate in
----------------cortez response to jimmoyer--------------


I guess Cortez, the old definition of Imperialism meant
you conquered a country and then governed it and
owned it outright.

The new definition of Imperialism is the ownership
of Capitalism through world trade.

Doesn't seem like such a stretch to people like Cortez
but in reality it was brutally a world of difference.

I'm not sure Cortez can go beyond that subtlety
to see a further subtlety as he predictably will challenge
this point.
 

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it seems to be normal and very well accepted to be entirely anti-french, not critics, but just hatred, you know what i mean, hey blackleaf??

The French are always anti-British (and have been for hundreds of years as they are our greatest rivals) and anti-American, so the feelings are mutual.
 

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Who cares about France they're not bombing the snot out of anybody, if they want to burn and trash France, that perfectly O/K it's thier country.
Well, their soldiers are machine-gunning to death innocent civilians in the Ivory Coast.
 

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Re: RE: Anti-Americanism is madness, says Blair.

jimmoyer said:
I would rather the grand US military imperialist adventure TOTALLY fail, if only for my friends in the US.. fail SO BADLY that some serious reconsideration may even be required, ....
---------------------------mabudon--------------------------


It's more important to them that America fails, than
for Iraq to succeed as a viable peaceful nation.
-----------------jimmoyer's response to mabudon----------

i think the point of the post was that if american fails---
it might reconsider its policy of pre-emptive strike-- and choose another more productive strategy
imperialism - is not something i believe most americans want their country to participate in
----------------cortez response to jimmoyer--------------


I guess Cortez, the old definition of Imperialism meant
you conquered a country and then governed it and
owned it outright.

The new definition of Imperialism is the ownership
of Capitalism through world trade.

Doesn't seem like such a stretch to people like Cortez
but in reality it was brutally a world of difference.

I'm not sure Cortez can go beyond that subtlety
to see a further subtlety as he predictably will challenge
this point.
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Is the conquest of Iraq any different than any other conquest of any other nation JimMoyer?

Do you really think that death and murder and destruction is somehow purified through the filter of global capitalism?

What perversion of thought allows you to change the meaning of imperialism? Is this not Orwells doublespeak?
 

darkbeaver

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Blackleaf said:
Who cares about France they're not bombing the snot out of anybody, if they want to burn and trash France, that perfectly O/K it's thier country.
Well, their soldiers are machine-gunning to death innocent civilians in the Ivory Coast.

A pox on them as well then.
 

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RE: Anti-Americanism is m

Do I consider myself anti-American? Not exactly. But I am very anti-American administration.

"Terrorism" is a result of the Bush administration's extremely poor diplomatic skills. Bush is the worst diplomat. Before Bush became president, anti-Americanism was much lower and I myself actually was actually approving of the actions of the American administration under Bill Clinton (a very good diplomat he was) but with that Monica Lewinsky brainwash crap the Americans ran with it and elected Bush. I was worried something like 9-11 would happen as a result and my worries were validated. Then if things couldn't possibly be wrose, bush was re-elected. My anti-Americanism fully returned. I could no longer blame just the Bush administration but now the onus was fully on the American people for re-electing him. How could they be clueless about the international actions of the Bush administration? Perhaps by the typical media propaganda but how could they ignore the fact that under Bush their economy was failing horribly? How? I still can't figure it out.

Tony Blair saying anti-Americanism is madness is utter B.S.

Harper has said the same thing and it worries me a bit. Even though I have complete faith in the Harper government, we can't forget that we as a nation never do good when our government gets too friendly with the American government. We need to keep our distance.
 

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Re: RE: Anti-Americanism is madness, says Blair.

Blackleaf said:
it seems to be normal and very well accepted to be entirely anti-french, not critics, but just hatred, you know what i mean, hey blackleaf??

The French are always anti-British (and have been for hundreds of years as they are our greatest rivals) and anti-American, so the feelings are mutual.

i always though that the spanish were your greatest enemy--
drake--- the armada and all that
is british sentiment ok with spain now that so many of you like to vacation there.. just curious
 

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I am not anti American but.....

Bigot code.

But then the world did blame the Canadian people for electing Liberals, albeit was a minority of them.
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