Anglo-Saxon attitudes: Polls show US and UK may have less in common than they think

[lone wolf]

No, im not Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mormon, or any one of the other Christian splinter groups though i do agree with some of those groups beliefs, i completely disagree with others, such as Catholics praying to Mary who was but a mere mortal. ANyhow, i belong to a small Church in a rural PA town,my Grandfather and uncle are the prachers, my father and another one of my uncles State Policemen, and officialy we are Independant, we agree with most of the beliefs of other protestant groups

Wait a minute.... You BELONG to a small Church? Isn't that like slavery? How do you know that holding Mary in reverance isn't paying homage to Mother Earth? If She was chosen to be mother of Jesus, wouldn't She, in fact, be the Chosen One? See ... I don't believe in organized religion. I don't believe the Bible as fact. I don't believe in re-crucifying my Christ with labels of denomination. Does that make me any less Christian than you?

Woof!

 

[mrgrumpy]

The polls published above renind me of one I read last week, forget exactly who published it, claimed 44% of Americans interviewed believed Jesus would return in his second coming, either in their own lifetime or the following generation.
Truly scary.

 

[karrie]

That's not the scary part to me grumpy... the scary part is that the skeptic/atheists/etc. would answer that the theory of evolution is what explains the creation of the earth. That just makes me want to cry.

 

[McCaulley]

Hey lone wolf,Christianity is defined as the belief in Christ and God, if you dont believe in them then you are less of a Christian than the people who do, your argument doesn't even make sense

 

[mrgrumpy]

Don't cry dear...Jesus will make it better.

 

[McCaulley]

Christ may not come in my lifetime or the lifetime of my children, but he will come

 

[McCaulley]

AT least my God can do something, who do you believe created the earth?

 

[karrie]

Don't cry dear...Jesus will make it better.

I could care less what Jesus does Grump... but when you know how religion gets botched by those who don't understand what it is they think they know, it gets even more terrifying to realize that those who ascribe to scientific theories don't understand their teachings any better. the world's full of dumb people... I see them everywhere.....

 

[mrgrumpy]

I could care less what Jesus does Grump... but when you know how religion gets botched by those who don't understand what it is they think they know, it gets even more terrifying to realize that those who ascribe to scientific theories don't understand their teachings any better. the world's full of dumb people... I see them everywhere.....

I do too!

At least scientific theories can be tested for veracity, what does one say about the contradictory fables and silliness in the Book of Myths?

 

[karrie]

I do too!

At least scientific theories can be tested for veracity, what does one say about the contradictory fables and silliness in the Book of Myths?

you still don't seem to get that it's not the theories that are the problem... it's that it's the wrong theory. lol...never mind.

 

[mrgrumpy]

A little teaser there? a little fish hook, perhaps? the "oh, never mind" is charming, but petulant.

What is "the wrong theory"'?

 

[karrie]

A little teaser there? a little fish hook, perhaps? the "oh, never mind" is charming, but petulant.

What is "the wrong theory"'?

The theory of evolution as an explanation for the creation of earth.

wrong theory for the wrong thing. Big bang theory perhaps is the one they were looking for? theory of evolution can explain the evolution of species. but not the creation of the earth.

But then, what do I know? lol.

 

[Praxius]

I'm suprised, i have met no Christians on this site yet, is this an athiest site or something?

Oh geez.... nobody told you? The Internet is the Devil!

 

[Praxius]

You should not celebrate the holiday if you are not a christian because the word holiday comes from Holy Day, and if you dont believe the day is holy then what are you celebrating?

Too bad, I celebrate the holidays because I use the available time to get together with friends, family and time to reflect on various things. Just because I don't do what you do on those holidays, doesn't mean you get to dictate to me what I can and can not do.

And don't forget about the various schisms of Christianity.... I am sure there are plenty of other sects of Christianity that contradict your own and also might considder you as a worse sinner then they are.

This is why I said nutz to it all and started thinking for myself. Too many people claiming to know too much with very little proof.... I'll just wait until God shoves a lightning bolt up my arse and starts telling me what to do before I start to believe again.

 

[mrgrumpy]

AT least my God can do something, who do you believe created the earth?

What can this god of yours do? Destoy the blasphemer? Obviously not.

Can even his biggest fan, with the "faith of a mustard seed" move a mountain? Hasn't been done so far.

Raise the dead or other miracles? Show us some proof.

Instill wishful thinking and silly notions in most children and some adults? Obviously he has some success in that area..

 

[Praxius]

No, im not Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Mormon, or any one of the other Christian splinter groups though i do agree with some of those groups beliefs, i completely disagree with others, such as Catholics praying to Mary who was but a mere mortal. ANyhow, i belong to a small Church in a rural PA town,my Grandfather and uncle are the prachers, my father and another one of my uncles State Policemen, and officialy we are Independant, we agree with most of the beliefs of other protestant groups

Then how do we know you and your family know the "Right" Chritianity compared to these other larger, older and more prodominant Schisms? You're equally trying to dictate to us what is the right way, when thus far, you seem to only be as far in knowlege as the other groups.

I mean... if you're not following those ones and are interpreting things to what you all agree on (Based on original beliefs you've taken from to make your independant sect) then are you no better then Karrie and myself when we interpret things the way we wish?

Now who's Sinning?

 

[Praxius]

That's not the scary part to me grumpy... the scary part is that the skeptic/atheists/etc. would answer that the theory of evolution is what explains the creation of the earth. That just makes me want to cry.

Ah, but the Earth too evolved itself from a molten pile of rock, to what we have now.... evolution isn't just locked to living creatures per say.

Then again, that too is open for interpretation, depending on what kind of evolution you believe in. The core theory of evolution may focus more on living organisms etc... but when looking at the broader picture of everything in existence, everything changes over time. For me personally, as I don't focus on one or two core explinations for everything, like religion or science may do.... I considder the concept of Evolution as it relates down to the energy and matter of which makes up our existence, not just bugs and monkies.

Fun isn't it?

(There I think I just pissed off both sides of the argument )

 

[karrie]

Ah, but the Earth too evolved itself from a molten pile of rock, to what we have now.... evolution isn't just locked to living creatures per say.

Then again, that too is open for interpretation, depending on what kind of evolution you believe in.

Fun isn't it?

Uhm, last I knew evolutionary theory stated that species adapted to their environments as environmental pressures caused different traits to have more or less success with mating. How does that apply to the earth forming from rock exactly? I see what you're saying, but, you're totally wrong...

edited to add.... there is no 'open for interpretation' with an actual scientific theory. Either a process fits the theory as science accepts it, or it does not. :lol:

 

[lone wolf]

Hey lone wolf,Christianity is defined as the belief in Christ and God, if you dont believe in them then you are less of a Christian than the people who do, your argument doesn't even make sense

The argument makes perfect sense. It just doesn't make sense to you. Chained to a Church, you are programmed to think by the numbers. Church is created by man. Faith is created by God. You are young, grasshopper. You have a world of learning yet. That requires openness of mind.

Woof!

 

[Praxius]

Ok ok.... time to bring this topic to relation:

The graph thing? Couldn't care less.... the differences between both countries are sorta obvious. Different types of government, cars on different roads, religious beliefs as touched on already, I mean, geez besides both speaking English and fighting in Iraq and perhaps some governmental policies they share, I don't think there's much of any major relation between the two. International affairs similar? Sure... most of the allies are similar in principle.

I mean if they want to be buddies, sure who cares? I'm just looking objectively here on the article.

I dunno... I know my GF from Asutralia claims both Canada and Australia are quite similar.... just that we're a tad more polite over the smaller things in everyday life.

I guess a comparison between Commonwealth countries is sorta foolish, but this sorta adds to another debate I've seen around in these forums:

Is the US realted more to the UK or Canada?