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Twisted Ivy: Harvard students say US bigger threat to world peace than ISIS



They got most of their SAT questions right, but students at Harvard blew this lay-up posed by the college blog Campus Reform: Who is the bigger threat to world peace, ISIS or the U.S.?

Various students at the hallowed Ivy League school said they believe that America, not the Muslim fanatics who behead innocent people, is the biggest threat to world peace.

The students were interviewed on the quad by Campus Reform on Saturday, and the shocking video was posted on Tuesday.

“As a Western civilization, we’re to blame for a lot of the problems that we’re facing now,” one student said during an interview. “I don't think anyone would argue that we didn't create the problem of ISIS, ourselves.”

Most of the other students interviewed shared the same sentiment — that ISIS would not exist had it not been for the past actions of the U.S.

“American imperialism and our protection of oil interests in the Middle East are destabilizing the region and allowing groups like ISIS to gain power,” said another student.

Caleb Bonham, editor of Campus Reform, conducted the interviews and said that the students’ response is nothing new.

“This video demonstrates the absurdity behind the bash America fad," Bonham told FoxNews.com. “Unfortunately, too many students think it is intellectual to try and piece together a reason why America is a greater threat than this terrorist organization trying to establish a caliphate through public executions, bombings and beheadings.”

The Islamic State is a splinter group of Al Qaeda that has occupied a large swath of Syria and the northern region of Iraq and has tried to establish a caliphate and rule all Muslims under Shariah Law.


Twisted Ivy: Harvard students say US bigger threat to world peace than ISIS | Fox News
 
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“As a Western civilization, we’re to blame for a lot of the problems that we’re facing now,” one student said during an interview. “I don't think anyone would argue that we didn't create the problem of ISIS, ourselves.”

Most of the other students interviewed shared the same sentiment — that ISIS would not exist had it not been for the past actions of the U.S.

“American imperialism and our protection of oil interests in the Middle East are destabilizing the region and allowing groups like ISIS to gain power,” said another student.

Climate Change panic to retool the globe to NG created ISIS.
 

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depends on your point of view. If you go by body count, the US for this centrury anyways. Unless you throw in all the muslim violence in the area since 2000, then it gets closer.

But it's difficult because a lot of it went on while the US was occupying Iraq, so who do blame for that one?
 

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depends on your point of view. If you go by body count, the US for this centrury anyways. Unless you throw in all the muslim violence in the area since 2000, then it gets closer.

But it's difficult because a lot of it went on while the US was occupying Iraq, so who do blame for that one?

It is obviously the fault of George W. Bush or Jimmy Carter depending on whether you are Democrat or Republican.
 

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Ummm, am I nuts or are some of the kids answers right?

If the US hadn't destabilized Iraq, ISIS wouldn't exist. Can someone show me what's wrong with that sentiment?
 

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Ummm, am I nuts or are some of the kids answers right?

If the US hadn't destabilized Iraq, ISIS wouldn't exist. Can someone show me what's wrong with that sentiment?

I was kinda thinking the same thing. The fact that the media is saying the kids missed an easy layup... well now it's starting to sound like the media last time.

They-Fox News in this case- missed an easy layup. They chose to go after the kids for daring to say American foreign policy could be a bigger threat to world peace than ISIS, instead of linking their comments to Obama's actions to pull out of Iraq, and leave al Malaki to de-Baathify, which played a huge part in the genesis of the current mess that is Iraq.
 

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Ummm, am I nuts or are some of the kids answers right?

If the US hadn't destabilized Iraq, ISIS wouldn't exist. Can someone show me what's wrong with that sentiment?

Yeah I'd be inclined to agree, but the changing sentiment in some of these countries has resulted in non US destabilization. The changes in the region and calls for democratically elected governments in Countries like Pakistan, Egypt, Syria are not US born and these Ultra Hardline Islamic groups thrive on revolution.
 

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Iraq was stable?



Like all things Middle Eastern, in a muddled, convoluted way Saddam was the strong arm in keeping the various religious factions under control which allowed the Oil to flow from the region to the West.


He got uppity after the Iraq/Iran war when Kuwait turned their back on him and didn't reward him for that skirmish by helping Iraq financially so that is why he invaded Kuwait resulting in the First Gulf War.


After that the American Oilers got nervous about him becoming a destructive force on the flow of Oil so the Bush gang invented Saddams role in 9/11 and the rest is, well I was going to say History, but the fight is ongoing today.


Barely reported is the fact that ISIS has the potential to seize most of the Oil workings in Iraq and are selling Syrian and Northern Iraqi Oil for $25.00 a barrel, which is forcing the price of Oil down everywhere which is why even Canada is going over there.


I see $50.00 a bbl as the low price for production from the Tarsands, and it may be a bit lower, but it wouldn't look good for the Harperites if the TarSands had to shutdown until the price rose.


So yes, Saddam was a stabilizer. He would have crushed, (at the CIA's request) any faction threatening the Oil biz.


After all, do you really think anyone cares that a group of Muslins is killing off another group of Muslims.........?








$800 million worth of oil that ISIS obtained from regions it occupied this year [the Rumeilan oil fields in northern Syria — and most recently Mosul] is being sold in Turkey. They have laid pipes from villages near the Turkish border at Hatay. Similar pipes exist also at [the Turkish border regions of] Kilis, Urfa and Gaziantep. They transfer the oil to Turkey and parlay it into cash. They take the oil from the refineries at zero cost.




Opposition MP says ISIS is selling oil in Turkey - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
 

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I'm pretty sure have 2 items meant for warm weather means it is actually cold there. Have one on on a 90+ day where no shirt is still sweat weather. The 'untold story' is that off-screen the 'item' is dipped into 'cold water' (ice water is too cold becaus eit picks up about 2 liters of the liquid. Throw that puppy on and go do some manual labor. The large amount of water will drip off over about 20 minutes and then it's retained in the 'item' but two hours later you can shake your head and a few drops still come off. Not too many can do both at the same time.
That action alone caused by this thread would have caused a lot of water damage here, already and it's not even page two.. (yes I checked)

It's not in Euros though is it so what kind of rebels are they at heart. What next, IMF appointments in Venice?
 

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I'm pretty sure have 2 items meant for warm weather means it is actually cold there. Have one on on a 90+ day where no shirt is still sweat weather. The 'untold story' is that off-screen the 'item' is dipped into 'cold water' (ice water is too cold becaus eit picks up about 2 liters of the liquid. Throw that puppy on and go do some manual labor. The large amount of water will drip off over about 20 minutes and then it's retained in the 'item' but two hours later you can shake your head and a few drops still come off. Not too many can do both at the same time.
That action alone caused by this thread would have caused a lot of water damage here, already and it's not even page two.. (yes I checked)


It's not in Euros though is it so what kind of rebels are they at heart. What next, IMF appointments in Venice?