And again... (Another US Shooting)

Serryah

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Sure is a lot of armchair cops that should have been on scene so they could have been the heroes.

I don't have it in me to be a cop, not really, that's why I'm not one.

But I damn well respect the GOOD cops out there.

Not like the assholes who let those kids die that day.
 

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So, basically the cops did SFA in the end, because they didn't want to get shot.

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right..
Do you have any sympathy for these Police officers that didn't hesitate?

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Besides wasn't it Pete Arredondo that was chief of the Uvalde school police that kept the Police from breaching the school room?

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I don't have it in me to be a cop, not really, that's why I'm not one.

But I damn well respect the GOOD cops out there.

Not like the assholes who let those kids die that day.
Me neither. But as a firefighter I understand the need to be prepared. The line between hero and dead is very fine. I wonder about their training though. Most cops outside of big cities can go their whole career without ever shooting someone and this was somewhat different than dealing with belligerent drunks.
 

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Me neither. But as a firefighter I understand the need to be prepared. The line between hero and dead is very fine. I wonder about their training though. Most cops outside of big cities can go their whole career without ever shooting someone and this was somewhat different than dealing with belligerent drunks.
Problem is, they had more cops there than the Police Union convention. And the Stupid Hat head honcho is saying Arredondo was the on-scene commander, and Arredondo is saying he wasn't.

This was a cluster-fuck par excellence. In all of this, any of the cast of thousands coulda said "Fuck this, we're going in." Like maybe a couple of the guys with rifles and the guy with the shield. But they didn't. They dicked around for over an hour, hearing the shooting and checking their smartphones while children died.

That you defend them surprises me not at all, unfortunately.
 
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FOr someone that claims to have been in the armed forces you don't know much about following orders. When the commander is incompetent, the rest of the force can't just go off on their own. Much as they may want to.
 

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FOr someone that claims to have been in the armed forces you don't know much about following orders. When the commander is incompetent, the rest of the force can't just go off on their own. Much as they may want to.
First off, there's dispute as to who was the commander here. Secondly, the cops are not the armed forces, and your suggestion that the same rules apply simply makes it abundantly clear that you have been a member of neither.
 

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First off, there's dispute as to who was the commander here. Secondly, the cops are not the armed forces, and your suggestion that the same rules apply simply makes it abundantly clear that you have been a member of neither.
See, no command, no coherent force. And , at least here the chain of command is in place for police, and even firefighters. NO freelancing.
It truly sucks to have an incompetent commander. The joys of belonging to a chosen group or having seniority instead of merit for advancement.
 

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See, no command, no coherent force. And , at least here the chain of command is in place for police, and even firefighters. NO freelancing.
It truly sucks to have an incompetent commander. The joys of belonging to a chosen group or having seniority instead of merit for advancement.
See, no command, you're free to get stuck in. But again, let's not pretend you know dick about military organization or protocol.
 
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Former Green Beret says 'defund the police' led to Uvalde shooting
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As the finger pointing in the Uvalde mass shooting tragedy continues, a former Green Beret and MMA fighter says the “defund the police” movement is partially to blame, reports the Daily Mail.


Tim Kennedy told The Joe Rogan Experience podcast that the movement, which came after the police-related deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, has resulted in officers “not ready to do the right thing.”

“We have been weakening them and we have been making them ill-equipped to respond to that,” said Kennedy.

“And then I think Uvalde is a great example of not properly trained with broken systems that are not ready to do the right thing. We will have more of that unless we get them the right training and we get our schools to become hard targets. And then we go upstream to the origin, the Genesis of these problems, which is mental health with the individual.”

Kennedy, who was promoting his book, Scars and Stripes, on Rogan’s show, also accused society of “emasculating” law enforcement.

“You know, we want a kinder, softer, gentler — I get, they’re dealing with mental health and we can have specialists that can come in and deal with somebody having a mental health crisis, but we still need men and women that will run towards the sound of gunfire and know what to do,” he said.

“If we don’t do those things, then it’s never gonna be fixed.”

The Robb Elementary School shooting saw 19 children and two teachers killed by a single gunman in Uvalde in May and the police department has been accused of “abject failure” after officers waited for over an hour before entering classrooms.
 
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Robb Elementary School to be demolished, Uvalde mayor says
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The elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, where a teenage gunman killed 19 children and two teachers last month will be demolished, the city’s mayor said on Tuesday.


The mayor’s announcement came several hours after a senior Texas official said the law enforcement response to the shooting at Robb Elementary School was “an abject failure” in which a commander put the lives of officers over those of the children.

Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin did not give a timeline for when the school would be demolished, but said at a council meeting: “You can never ask a child to go back or teacher to go back in that school ever.”

In a separate Texas state Senate hearing into the May 24 shooting, Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) Director Steven McCraw said the onsite commander made “terrible decisions” and officers at the scene lacked sufficient training, costing valuable time during which lives may have been saved.


“There is compelling evidence that the law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary was an abject failure and antithetical to everything we’ve learned,” McCraw said.

Many parents and relatives of the children and staff have expressed deep anger over police action after the gunman entered Robb Elementary School and began shooting.

One delay McCraw discussed was the search for a key to the classroom where the shooting occurred. He noted that the door was not locked and there was no evidence officers tried to see if it was secured while others searched for a key.

“There’s no way … for the subject to lock the door from the inside,” McCraw said.

Days after the shooting, the Texas DPS said as many as 19 officers waited for more than an hour in a hallway outside classrooms 111 and 112 before a U.S. Border Patrol-led tactical team finally made entry. McCraw reiterated that in the hearing on Tuesday.


“The officers had weapons, the children had none. The officers had body armor, the children had none. The officers had training, the subject had none. One hour, 14 minutes, and eight seconds – that is how long the children waited, and the teachers waited, in Room 111 to be rescued,” the DPS director said.

“Three minutes after the subject entered the west building, there was a sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, distract and neutralize the subject,” McCraw added.

“The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111, and 112, was the on-scene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children,” the director said in the hearing.


McCraw said the scene commander, Uvalde schools police chief Pete Arredondo, “waited for radio and rifles, and he waited for shields and he waited for SWAT. Lastly, he waited for a key that was never needed.”

Arredondo did not address either of the two hearings on Tuesday.

Earlier this month, Arredondo said he never considered himself incident commander at the scene of the shooting, and that he did not order police to hold back on breaching the building.

At the city council meeting on Tuesday night, McLaughlin accused McCraw of deflecting blame away from state police enforcement.

“Every briefing he leaves out the number of his own officers and rangers that were on scene that day,” the mayor said. “Colonel McCraw has an agenda and it’s not to present a full report on what happened and to give factual answers to the families of this community.”


McLaughlin said state officials were leaving the city and its residents in the dark, declaring: “The gloves are off.”

Greg Abbott, Texas’s Republican governor, said in a statement he wants all facts regarding the shooting released to the victims’ families and the public as quickly as possible.

The Uvalde City Council voted unanimously late on Tuesday to deny a leave of absence for Arredondo as a council member.

Arredondo won election to the council shortly before the shooting but has not appeared at the two council meetings since then. Denying him a leave of absence sets up his potential departure as a council member if he misses a third consecutive meeting.

Arredondo told the Texas Tribune he left his two radios outside the school because he wanted his hands free to hold his gun. He had said he called for tactical gear, a sniper and keys to get inside, holding back from the doors for 40 minutes to avoid provoking sprays of gunfire.

Community members along with parents of the victims urged Arredondo to resign during an impassioned school board meeting on Monday, ABC News reported.