Americans trigger happy on banning Alberta beef imports

[gnuman]

You know it honestly sickens me on how quick the US is banning Alberta beef. Did the US ban the export of its own beef when mad cow disease? Nope.

The cow that was tested for madcow disease wasn't even slaughtered! The farmers had a feeling it was sick. I mean wtf is going on here? 1 cow ban Alberta's export of cows? Hey there's lead in Alberta's gas DON'T USE IT!

It sickens me honestly, its one thing with the European outbreak of madcow disease because of the number of cows that was getting affected, but here is 1 cow that was not slaughtered but instead killed and lab tests showed it had the disease while other cows don't.

I believe that Canada has done a lot more than the south's fair share of testing of animals to help prevent the disease from spreading, as well as the preventitve measures Quebec took during the massive outbreaks in Europe and helping to keep Quebec cattle safe from the disease. 1% of Quebec's cattle is used for the beef industry, while Alberta's beef industry is worth $1bln. Quebec's cow are mainly used in the dairy industry.

 

[WulF-Krigan]

Welcome to the US culture of fear.

If something doesn't seem "right" (not saying it is wrong) the US pulls away.
Some people gain from this action so stay silent about it.
Some people are still upset with Canada over the war with Iraq so they encourage it.
Some people are deathly affraid of disease, these people were never told that there are bacteria EVERYWHERE and some actually grow faster in the cold (fridge). But they are scared non-the-less...these last people are the masses.

Ironically, the cure to a culture of fear is logic and reason and compasion...mixed in with a little bit of sacrafice.
But that's not often the response to actions taken out of fear...the response more often manifests as anger...which just scares the scared people more.

Whoever decided to make Americans scared (i'm sure they have deep pockets in the governement if NOTHING else) was thinking very short term (or really long term).
Americans do not like to admit to fear...the thing our country was founded on (fear of prosecution...I mean, persecution.)...instead we get angry and accusatory. "We aren't scared, we just want to kill you!" And that mentality is bad when you are the "top dog" (if you will) becuase it teaches the other dogs how to live.

But cow is cow. I've food poisoned myself about 4 times in my adult life...never once came close to dieing. People (all people) need to stand up and stop the "duck and cover" approache to life. Sars kills 2% of those infected...so if you get it you might as well kill yourself, I mean, you only have a 98% chance of living!!! LOL.

Anyhow...that's not the topic. The topic is the dirty canadian cow...but let's keep the LuShes jokes to a minimum. Love ya babe!
W-K

 

[gnuman]

Well duh the US was born and founded on fear, Bowling for Columbine summed it up in 2 minutes; the history of the US.

But the chances are of getting the human form of MadCow Disease is 1 in 10s of millions. I don't remember Texas doing anything helpful when their cattle was infected; from what I heard they probably did nothing.

The tragedy in Europe was bad and only 1 Canadian has died from the human form of MCD, when he ate beef from the UK.

But there IS a real reason behind the BS excuse the US gave into the banning of beef for about 10 days. That is not the real reason I'm pretty sure americans still know crap about Canada, so they wouldn't be affected.

If they want to play these types of games we should fire back at them and hurt them more!

 

[WulF-Krigan]

Gnuman, now you got it! Way to think like an American!!! The conservatives would be so proud...if you weren't a Canadian.

Inflicting harm (even on people you think deserve it) will not do any good if you plan to live with and be social with them on any sort of timeline. Hurt breeds hurt. Plain and simple.

Now you explanation of the "real reason" kinda eluded me. But a 10 day ban doesn't sound too bad. If you could enlighten me I'd appreciate it.

But just for the record most -any- anglo/european culture is founded on fear or greed...including Canada. Just something to think about.

 

[Andem]

Bah! I don't have time right now to read the whole thing, but it looks like another senseless arguement (thank god I'm not involved in it).

I think the beef bans on Canada are tragic, but if I were an Australia, an American, a Japanese or whoever else bans our meat; I would, too, ban it! I really don't want mad cow disease... Furthermore, Canada's doing a bad job at containing things these days. Let's get a new prime minister and a new federal party.

 

[WulF-Krigan]

Andem is the gayest gay of all gays.

Sorry, just thought someone should say it. LOL.

 

[Andem]

Andem is the gayest gay of all gays.

Sorry, just thought someone should say it. LOL.

Bugger off! Go get laid and quit complaining ;p

 

[gnuman]

Please I think Canada is doing a heck of a lot better job than the US is in regulating its food.

Why is it when I start a new topic it turns sleazy in 2 replies?

Maybe we should have a sex forum talking about sex and also a CC fantasy forum as well! Poor Lushes will be picked on the latter forum heheh

 

[Andem]

Come on! We aren't so sleezy. Maybe a private sex forum would be cool rofl.

And yeah, I believe Canada does a much much better job at regulating food, alcohol, cigarettes, other damaging substances, medecation, over the counter drugs etc. lol


The thing is, mad cow disease apparantly attaches to your shoes or something

gnuman: les americans, ça me fait chier! (comprends-tu?) je pense.. une expression de la france du nord.

bah, now its way off topic lol.

 

[czardogs]

This is one of those times that I do not fault the americans for acting like they did.

for I would petition our government to do the same if the roles where reversed.

The larger question is how long will it last and just what will they demand for proof of a clean bill of health for our beef industry.

As well to this minute they are still unsure just where this cow originated from. they are getting close and it could very well have come from the US!! Not likely but...

 

[gnuman]

czardogs the thing is that the animal was NOT in the food supply the farmer felt there was something wrong with that specific cow. May I need to remind you that Texas didn't do much during its madcow disease scare besides sue Oprah?

We weren't touched during the massive scare of mdc when the UK and Texas had it because we took great precautions especially in Alberta and Quebec. Well Quebec took precautions because the majority of its cows are for dairy products while Alberta was for the beef.

I think there is more honesty in Canada than in the US because well ya know money talks down there and like the govt said the farmers will still get help because of the closing.

The ban was supposed to last about 10 days, hopefully dem sutherners won't be ignorant but thats highly unlikely.

Andem you are right about the shoes thing, Dorval and Mirabel airports in Quebec made people walk on a mat that had chemicals to kill the bacteria before they were to leave the airport to make sure that there was no possible chance of the disease spreading. As far as Alberta doing the same I have no clue.

Yes i understand what you said andem, and that is quite good french I'll translate that to eboniques for you.

lesmericans camme fait chier heh ok I forgot the cidille on the c but you get the idea

 

[WulF-Krigan]

Um...Okay. Now I gotta step up.

Money might run America. True.
But you are ignorant if you do not think money doesn't run Canada, England, Germany, Mexico, Australia, and most every other nation on the planet.
Many complaints in this forums about Canadian politics come directly from the fact that descions are being made (province and nation wide) based on the financial benefit of a few over the wellfare of the majority.
The only distinction I can see is that Americans see it, acknowledge it, but feel unable to resist it. Because fundamentally the "American Dream" is to come from poverty and raise to wealth. So if we say in our collective consciousness that the wealthy are -bad- that means the part of us that wants to be wealthy is bad.
And maybe that part is...but well, it's not an easy thing to admit to yourself much less get a nation to admit to.

 

[gnuman]

There's a difference.. being capitalistic while making sure the populace is ok is one thing. I mean if Texas didn't slaughter the infected cows and fed it to the ppl thats means they don't give a crap.

Yes money makes the world go round but look at what it has done to the US! They throw over 150 bln to find weapons of mass destruction and don't come back with anything! That money could've helped social programs and other things for the people of america.

The American Dream is so polluted its just a dream to figure out what it really is. I don't hear the term canadian dream? Does that mean we live in reality?

The American dream means $$$$$$$$$ and screw the rest of the people while most poepel would be satisfied to have a good savings in the bank a family and good health and a job.

The more the govt does something the more the American dream is further out of reach. War on terrorism yadda yadda yadda, the bs security alert colours. I mean its stupid who cares about the colours honestly. The US makes themselves scared and don't know what to do about it. Therefore the american dream will never happen.

 

[WulF-Krigan]

Sadly, the "American Dream" is incredibly subjective.

For some the American Dream is furthering thier goals over those of -other- nations and people.

If the American people feel they are being abused enough they will act. But by and in large many Americans don't care about other nations...because (in part) most other nations don't care about America.

So what does this result in? America screwing other nations. It sucks.

 

[gnuman]

Actually that is part true. Canada is more opened towards other people, we watch the news and hear what's going on in other countries while the majority of Americans don't know crap all about other countries and especially their biggest trading partner Canada.

I mean geeze some people are so dense they think Canadians live in igloos when they are about an hour drive from the border. Yah our seasons didn't develop yet come back in a million years sheesh.

How can someone want to be better than someone else if they themselves know nothing about the others? Are they listening to what their brainwashing news say?

 

[czardogs]

Um...Okay. Now I gotta step up.

Money might run America. True.
But you are ignorant if you do not think money doesn't run Canada, England, Germany, Mexico, Australia, and most every other nation on the planet.
Many complaints in this forums about Canadian politics come directly from the fact that descions are being made (province and nation wide) based on the financial benefit of a few over the wellfare of the majority.
The only distinction I can see is that Americans see it, acknowledge it, but feel unable to resist it. Because fundamentally the "American Dream" is to come from poverty and raise to wealth. So if we say in our collective consciousness that the wealthy are -bad- that means the part of us that wants to be wealthy is bad.
And maybe that part is...but well, it's not an easy thing to admit to yourself much less get a nation to admit to.

You are right but you fail to see the real truth behind the american dream.

In order for one man to get rich - a whole lot more need to stay poor. there is no way that every single person can be rich.

Someone - namely most people need to stay poor in order for any one person to be wealthy. It is the inherant failing of the whole capitalist system. While the american dream can be had by the few, the vast majority get left behind.

Sadly - the exact same thing can be said of Canada. Only distinction - we have a better social safety net for those that dont make it. Worse still even that is starting to disappear.

 

[WulF-Krigan]

Czardogs...You are entirely correct. Capitalism only works if there are an exploited class. Leaving moral judgements aside that's the simple fact. But consider if the world is a global community Canada is an upper-middle class country that doesn't want to pay more taxes so Kenya can have a better life.
Until there is one global culture debating global cultural values is kinda moot. I mean, Canadians telling Americans that listening to the media is simple brainwashing is about as harsh as Americans saying people who cut thier scalps with swords are idiots.
Both are judgements. Judgements of a culture that can not be fully understood EVEN by those who LIVE in it.
By it very nature cultures can not be understood because if you are in one culture you are prediposed to view another from a biased angle.
So ultimately...any judgement rendered by any person (as we all belong to one culture or another) is inherently flawed.
Woah! Rant...heh. But I agree Czar dogs. But on the other end...if Socialism is adopted those few who are willing to be selfish will exploit the work of others. The question is...would you rather be exploited or oppressive. I guess most Americans would rather be oppressive. I myself do not mind exploitation, but I don't want to be the only "sucker" taken in.

Gnuman...Um...Are you an Elitist Canadian? Heh. I mean, I'm not trying to offend but in comparison to America you have alot of...pride? Why? Is the world a "I win, you lose?" place in your view? If it is...well, then you see the world the same as most Americans (your choice if that is good or bad)...if I am being confused by something please enlighten me.

 

[czardogs]

Only in a true communist state could everyone be equal. Thing is a true communist system is impossible to set-up, maintain and keep together.

 

[WulF-Krigan]

*Nods* I agree Czardogs.

Communism, Socialism, Capitalism, Facism, Unificationism...none of them work. They all have flaws.

The question is...which of these flawed systems is "better" for which people.

Me? I don't know. I can speculate...but that's masterbation. It's fun to do but accomplishes little in the large scheme.

So I think the best idea is Checks and Balances. A balance between Socialism and Capitalism. Canada has done it pretty well, and I hope they keep it up.

A government should have a minimum status it will allow its citizens to live in...ensuring food, shelter, and medicine. But the part of the population that would pay for what it considers freeloaders will not stand for it.

In the mean time I'm gonna sit and wait for Democrats...then atleast the idiotic tax cutting will stop.
Two years ago policemen were our heros. Now we fire them because tax cuts won't let us keep them on.
What a bunch of shit...oh well, Shogunate Japan did the same thing. And look what happened. Heh. I can't wait for the uprising!!!

 

[czardogs]

To badly quote Winston Churchill - democracy is the best form of government only because the others are so bad.

In the world of globalization and corportism Canada is seeing its ability to fund a socialist/capitalist system quickly erode as the money disappears.

Same could be said for the other socialist based governments in Europe. Its a challenge to say the least.