Americans Say “Too Much Welfare” Number One Cause Of Persistent Poverty…

[taxslave]

Agree 100% = too much welfare for the rich is the problem.

See previous links to wealthy elites sheltering over $20 trillion in overseas accounts.





But it is their money. They earned it and now the government wants to take it to spend on whatever.If the tax system was even close to fair this wouldn't happen. Do you never lie on your tax return?

Just when I thought you had posted the dumbest thing ever you surpass yourself again. My daughter just returned from an extended stay in Bangladesh working with the poorest of the poor. None were starving and none were obese. Obesity can only be caused by too much food, good or bad, going in the oral orifice.

Not entirely true but we get your point.

 

[Sal]

What cr ap. Maybe the welfare mom should have not gotten drunk with the "love of her life".

For sure she should not have but we are human and imperfect and make mistakes. You are anti abortion so that is no route for her in your world but neither do you want to support her and her child nor make it easy for her to better herself. If the world were as you wished it people would starve to death in the gutter or scream in agony for lack of medical care.

I'll tell you something Walter when you cut a person off in every direction in order to punish them for not thinking and living like you, you help no one not even yourself.

Poverty does limit choice especially since many poor have to work 2 or 3 jobs so that eating good meals at home is an impossibility for many. Thus, they have no choice but to eat at some junk food place like McDonalds because it is more convenient. Same for kids whose parents cannot be home to cook because of that 2 or 3d job.

people who work two or three jobs can't be poor doncha know... people who are poor are just lazy

 

[captain morgan]

I don't believe people living in dire poverty have much of a choice. They use fill foods which hold few nutrients and many calories. I think of what I spend in a week on veggies and fruit alone. I have access to a grocery store just down the street. Right here in Canada children go to school hungry, try to tell a tot it is their fault they are obese or that they have a choice.

Maybe people should actually find out how much a welfare mum gets per month and attempt to live on it for a few months.

Just at a grocery website looking at the online flyer

Pork Roast - $1.18/lb
Head Romaine Lettuce - $0.86
Mandarin Oranges - $0.96/lb
Mini Carrots (2 lb bag) - $1.96
Bread (unsliced) - $0.98
No Name Perogies (2 lb pack) - $3.00

Throw in a big bag of potatoes and onions and you are under $30.00

You do have a choice, but convenience and laziness trump smart alternatives

 

[Walter]

If the world were as you wished it people would starve to death in the gutter or scream in agony for lack of medical care.

If the world were as I wished people would be responsible for themselves and no one would mooch of others.

 

[Sal]

If the world were as I wished people would be responsible for themselves and no one would mooch of others.

well in a perfect world Walter if we were all born genetically equal with high IQ's and no special needs and no mental issues and no physical illnesses then all would be good, so maybe have a talk with your god about that so he can fix things up because according to you he is screwing up royally.

My guess would be your god might tell you he made us as he did so we could all learn about brotherly love and caring for each other with love and without judgement.

that's what my god would say and I'm not even Christian any more.

 

[smallandmighty]

There is PLENTY of money in SNAP and welfare to eat healthy. The notion that there isn't enough SNAP money to buy healthy food is a myth. I see shopping carts full of junk all paid for with a SNAP card. Chips, soda, frozen pizzas... junk processed food.



That is no excuse to not being able to cook. Cooking is not hard but it requires time and effort. Time and effort which cuts into their leisure time.

People who are on disability and who truly need help are not the problems. The problem lies in the ones who are perfectly healthy and have chosen to live off the state and federal government and not work. They have been provided a living that discourages work.

I could right now quit my job and become dependent upon the state and feds and never go hungry and always have a roof over my head with plenty of spending cash for entertainment. And there is not a thing that the government or the taxpayers can do to stop me.

Good post.
But....there is a knack for getting welfare, and people like you and me do not know how to work that system.

 

[Sal]

Just at a grocery website looking at the online flyer

Pork Roast - $1.18/lb
Head Romaine Lettuce - $0.86
Mandarin Oranges - $0.96/lb
Mini Carrots (2 lb bag) - $1.96
Bread (unsliced) - $0.98
No Name Perogies (2 lb pack) - $3.00

Throw in a big bag of potatoes and onions and you are under $30.00

You do have a choice, but convenience and laziness trump smart alternatives

it sure looks good, how come it doesn't work then... I know you say you believe it is just convenience and laziness and I know you to be an intelligent man so you can not truly believe that this is the solution to hunger in Canada or the States. You can not possibly believe that all people choose to be poor and hungry because they are stupid and lazy.

or do you?

 

[captain morgan]

it sure looks good, how come it doesn't work then... I know you say you believe it is just convenience and laziness and I know you to be an intelligent man so you can not truly believe that this is the solution to hunger in Canada or the States. You can not possibly believe that all people choose to be poor and hungry because they are stupid and lazy.

or do you?

No one 'chooses' to be hungry, lazy or stupid, however, look at the options... How many fast food joints do you pass by to get to the grocery store? How much time does it take to order a burger at a counter as opposed to shop for the goods, lug them home, stow things away and then start to think about actually preparing something?

Those prices I quoted are from a current flyer for Superstore (Loblaws). Like I said, people make choices, it's not as if they have no options here.

With this in mind, I ask you; if we can make an argument that the cost of more nutritious foods is reasonable (way cheaper in the long run on a per meal basis than fast/prepared foods), then what is the reason that folks make an independent choice to opt for significantly poorer alternatives?.. There are really not that many answers to that question

 

[Christianna]

well in a perfect world Walter if we were all born genetically equal with high IQ's and no special needs and no mental issues and no physical illnesses then all would be good, so maybe have a talk with your god about that so he can fix things up because according to you he is screwing up royally.

My guess would be your god might tell you he made us as he did so we could all learn about brotherly love and caring for each other with love and without judgement.

that's what my god would say and I'm not even Christian any more.

and those traitor business owners who send jobs to China, India, Mexico, Pakistan etc would be forced to leave the US and Canada and live in those countries ! They would probably prefer our prisons to living in those countries though.

 

[BaalsTears]

24% are probably the extreme right wing, they don't care that so many jobs went to other countries and left people with no way to earn a living and feed their kids. They sure as hell do not want their tax dollars to go to feed hungry children.

Your thinking is pretty one dimensional. Reality is much more textured, layered and complicated.

People so often point to the jobs lost and that is part of the problem. The real problem from that
is the knowledge of how to do those jobs is lost. Factory workers and producer of industrial value
are skills learned over time. When they are gone its takes nearly a generation to redevelop the
skill required to be top of the class.
Welfare is not the problem its the result of dismantling the consumer industrial complex for a bigger
profit margin. There are a host of other problems confronting America as well. Here it should be
pointed out that Canada and other western nations face the same difficulties. because of political
and business Stupidity. Its not the workers and the average guy its the greed of companies and
the compliance of elected officials. Some say oh we should all work for less, but they all mean
the other guy should work for less, hell our standard of living should be maintained and we should
be working to raise the level of other nations not reduction to a lower standard.
Remember the five dollar shirt rack where you got a real bargain, that is the biggest part of the
problem. While you complain you buy the products the scoundrels continue to produce that cut
your own throat. What a wonderful world we share

Low skilled western workers can't compete with East Asians. In America the idea was to use the public school system to create students with proficiency in math, science and other core disciplines that they could add value to products in a new information economy. However, the American public schools failed to do their part. As a result America is filled with low skilled Americans competing with low skilled Mexicans and robots. Put the blame squarely on the public school system.

Are you suggesting there is a substantially lower amount of corruption and fraud in the welfare departments of states whose governments tend to be dominated by Repubs?

Republican states don't provide the same level of benefits as do the leftist entities controlled by Democrats. Ergo, those folks migrate to the leftist entities like California which has about one third of all welfare cases in the USA while only having fifteen percent of the population. Thus, fraud and abuse are concentrated in the leftist entities.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Republican states don't provide the same level of benefits as do the leftist entities controlled by Democrats. Ergo, those folks migrate to the leftist entities like California which has about one third of all welfare cases in the USA while only having fifteen percent of the population. Thus, fraud and abuse are concentrated in the leftist entities.

I don't suppose you have any evidence to back up any of that. Nice chain of logic, but nothing like evidence. Aristotle's cool and all, but I prefer Galileo.

 

[BaalsTears]

Obesity of the modern kind is no indication of well fed children Smack.

The poor are stealing the wealth of America hahahahahahahahahahhahahhahhahahhahhahhahahahahhahahhahhahahahhahahahaah

how the fuk they get ahead of the bankers is a mystery heahahhhahhahahhahahahhahahahhahhahahahhahhahahahahahahaaahahahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahahahah

You ignore the working class because you are so focused on rich and poor. What is the impact on the working class?

I don't suppose you have any evidence to back up any of that. Nice chain of logic, but nothing like evidence. Aristotle's cool and all, but I prefer Galileo.

You like my chain of logic huh? Do you think it would be difficult to point to what has happened in California my friend?

I can see that you and I are probably going to be spending a great deal of time together. So let me direct your attention to the following article.

Is California the welfare capital? Page 1 of 4 | UTSanDiego.com

I await your further questions.

For sure she should not have but we are human and imperfect and make mistakes. You are anti abortion so that is no route for her in your world but neither do you want to support her and her child nor make it easy for her to better herself. If the world were as you wished it people would starve to death in the gutter or scream in agony for lack of medical care.

I'll tell you something Walter when you cut a person off in every direction in order to punish them for not thinking and living like you, you help no one not even yourself.


people who work two or three jobs can't be poor doncha know... people who are poor are just lazy

The problem with people who work two or three jobs is that they don't have time to raise their kids. Instead where I live the kids are raised by the gangs. Then the kids become gangbangers themselves. See how this works? Gangbanging has created a very powerful rival culture in much of California.

Americans and Canadians are both obese. I was in your wonderful country not long ago, and I saw lots of big fat heifers and steers. I thought Canadians were perfect. Why so many fat people in Canada? I acknowledge Americans are fat. But let's focus on Canadians.

 

[EagleSmack]

That might be true, but they are also the most expensive to treat when they come into emergency rooms later in life suffering from diabetes, heart disease etc, which the government will end up covering the costs. Morbidly obese poor folk is not exactly a great statistic to have.

Absolutely Durka... I bet it costs a lot to treat the illnesses caused from obesity... and that is covered 100% as well! It is an awful stat to have and the state and feds encourage this behavior.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

You like my chain of logic huh?

It was pretty good.

Do you think it would be difficult to point to what has happened in California my friend?

No, but I wasn't asking about California, now was I?

I can see that you and I are probably going to be spending a great deal of time together. So let me direct your attention to the following article.

Is California the welfare capital? Page 1 of 4 | UTSanDiego.com

I await your further questions.

Good article. What does it have to do with the question?

 

[EagleSmack]

I don't believe people living in dire poverty have much of a choice. They use fill foods which hold few nutrients and many calories. I think of what I spend in a week on veggies and fruit alone. I have access to a grocery store just down the street. Right here in Canada children go to school hungry, try to tell a tot it is their fault they are obese or that they have a choice.

Maybe people should actually find out how much a welfare mum gets per month and attempt to live on it for a few months.

We don't have dire poverty. Take a look around the world and you'll see dire poverty. Again.. our poor are obese.

There is plenty of money to spend on fresh produce and meats. That is a fable that there isn't. Every time people try to bring up the idea of restricting SNAP money to healthy foods they are met with a storm of opposition... the typical stuff... racist, bigots, heartless. So the people on SNAP can still use the cards to fill their carts with chips, soda, and ice cream. They can still use the SNAP cards in all the fast food joints. The food is available for them, they chose the easy way. They chose it and we provide it. I see it all the time in super markets.

And SNAP is just part of what they are provided.

 

[BaalsTears]

It was pretty good.


No, but I wasn't asking about California, now was I?


Good article. What does it have to do with the question?

So I don't have to jump through a bunch of hoops as you and I go over this question during the course of this day would you please succinctly restate your question? Thanks.

Precision on both are parts will make the day go faster for each of us.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Facts are nice.

According to the Census Bureau, there are about 115 million households in the U.S.
http://nlihc.org/sites/default/files/oor/2013_OOR_US_Statistics.pdf

According to the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, about 15% of U.S. households were "food insecure" in 2011, and about 6% had "very low food security."
USDA ERS - Household Food Security in the United States in 2011

 

[BaalsTears]

So I don't have to jump through a bunch of hoops as you and I go over this question during the course of this day would you please succinctly restate your question? Thanks.

Precision on both are parts will make the day go faster for each of us.

Hey Tech, check this out. Give me your opinion on these stats:

Compare Welfare Spending By State 1992-2018 - Charts

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So I don't have to jump through a bunch of hoops as you and I go over this question during the course of this day would you please succinctly restate your question? Thanks.

Precision on both are parts will make the day go faster for each of us.

Happy to. . .

"Are you suggesting there is a substantially lower amount of corruption and fraud in the welfare departments of states whose governments tend to be dominated by Repubs?"

Worth noting. . .

1. I wasn't asking about what states have high rates of welfare recipients.
2. I wasn't asking about how "generous" various state welfare programs are or are not.
3. I wasn't asking about California.

To restate, the question is "Do states whose government tend to be dominated by Repubs have significantly lower rates of corruption and fraud in the state welfare programmes than states dominated by Democrats?"

 

[BaalsTears]

Facts are nice.

According to the Census Bureau, there are about 115 million households in the U.S.
http://nlihc.org/sites/default/files/oor/2013_OOR_US_Statistics.pdf

According to the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, about 15% of U.S. households were "food insecure" in 2011, and about 6% had "very low food security."
USDA ERS - Household Food Security in the United States in 2011

Aren't facts great? Take a look at the links you gave me. Am I missing the state by state comparison? Point it out for me please.

Happy to. . .

"Are you suggesting there is a substantially lower amount of corruption and fraud in the welfare departments of states whose governments tend to be dominated by Repubs?"

Worth noting. . .

1. I wasn't asking about what states have high rates of welfare recipients.
2. I wasn't asking about how "generous" various state welfare programs are or are not.
3. I wasn't asking about California.

To restate, the question is "Do states whose government tend to be dominated by Repubs have significantly lower rates of corruption and fraud in the state welfare programmes than states dominated by Democrats?"

You're asking about the percentage of welfare fraud in places like Kansas compared to places like California? If that's your question I can't answer it because I am not aware of a statistical analysis on each state's individual percentage of fraud.

But more fraud probably occurs in the states that spend the most on welfare...like California with one third of the total US cases.