American traitor and coward writes communist book

[Jay]

Good idea, Zoof. We could dedicate a few hours of these roundtable meetings on the Communist Broadcasting Corporation....We could call it The Commi Chit-chat Corner and they could stew in Anti-Americanism and anti-freedom...all on the backs of the tax payer. It would be like heaven for them.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: American traitor and

from the book AMERICAN THEOCRASY

Those stakes took dollar form in early 2004 when the New York based Global Policy Forum published calculations of how much the US and UK oil giants stood to make from the control over Iraqi oil reserves estimated at close to four hundred billion barrels: " In order to understand the magnitude of these profits of the world's five largest (private) oil companies 2002 were $35 billion. Our estimate of the most probable annual profits in Iraq are $95 billion, three times this sum!

Now thats worth a lot of murder and destruction.

 

[cortez]

wow- that really is a lot of cash
the righties are such philosophers..
caring about such ABSTRACT concepts as freedom
yeah right
freedom to pillage
and they get upset when we take note

lets not forget that Saddam was their man
Saddamites
pinocherites
batistarites
suhartorites
thacherites

 

[jimmoyer]

Love it or leave it? If you're not with us you're against us? Bullshit. Or more respectfully, false dichotomies. There are other options. You're simply branding someone you disagree with with emotionally loaded labels in order to discredit him.

You folks at the extremes of left and right are very quick to invoke the very liberal ideals of freedom of speech and association and expression in defence of your own views, and equally quick to deny them to others who disagree with you. Is it not possible that Mr. Phillips has something useful and important to say? By labelling him like that you've denied the legitimacy of anything he says without actually dealing with it, and in fact you're just denying any need to deal with it.

There are labels for that too: bigotry and ignorance.
-----------------------Dexter Sinister---------------------

Well said.

Excellent post.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: American traitor and

from the book American Theocrasy

The more numerous pentecostals of the older Assemblies of God are fundementalist and scripture-minded, epitomized by former attorney general John Ashcroft, who on being sworn into office also had himself anointed with cooking oil in the biblical manner of King David.

 

[Finder]

One of the most common Canadian phrases I read is: "Americans are so ignorant about other countries - they know nothing about Canada"....

This whole thread is the challenge in reverse. A collection of uninformed and rather doubtful statements from those who are apparently the blind leading the blind into their netherworld of fingerpointing, silly myth and puffery.

Nursery rhyme material....Mother Goose is alive and well! No doubt this decade of Canadiana Lore will be their Fantastic Fables told about the U.S. and its people.

Boo!

Lefties hate America, we just have to learn to deal with their hatred and hope despite it we can keep good relations between our nations.

Thank God that the Liberal (who run platforms on anti-Americanism) are out.

What Anti-American Liberal who ran on an Anti-American platform. This is the first I heard of this. lol

 

[darkbeaver]

Uh... I think I don't get it, darkbeaver. Does the thread title indicate that you believe Kevin Phillips is a traitor and coward and his book is supportive of communism? There's nothing in the book review you cited to justify that, so exactly what is your point here?

No it dosn't, it's sarcastic nonsence meant to poke fun at the right wing nut collectors. sorry to have confused the issue

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: American traitor and

from the book American Theocracy


Despite the extent to which the fate of the US dollar was also tied to the Iraqi oil showdown, and jeopardized by failure, it recieved little attention in the American mass media. A rare exception came shortly after the US incursion, when Newsweek described the bad blood between American and European (FRENCH and GERMAN) policy makers in terms of currency and monetary rivalry. The real clash was not over weapons of mass destruction, wrote correspondent Howard Fineman, but over the dollar versus euro-who gets to sell- and buy-Iraqi oil, and what form of currency will be used to denominate the value of the sales. That decision, in turn, will help decide who controls ,Iraq, which in turn, will represent yet another skirmish in a growing global economic conflict.

 

[sanch]

Re: RE: American traitor and

from the book AMERICAN THEOCRASY

Those stakes took dollar form in early 2004 when the New York based Global Policy Forum published calculations of how much the US and UK oil giants stood to make from the control over Iraqi oil reserves estimated at close to four hundred billion barrels: " In order to understand the magnitude of these profits of the world's five largest (private) oil companies 2002 were $35 billion. Our estimate of the most probable annual profits in Iraq are $95 billion, three times this sum!

Now thats worth a lot of murder and destruction.

The CIA fact sheet has Iraq’s proven oil reserves at 112.5 billion bbl (2005 est.)
The CIA fact sheet has Canada’s proven oil reserves at 178.9 billion bbl (2005 est.)
Saudi Arabia has 262.7 billion bbl (2005 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html

Even if the above numbers are slightly off it is generally recognized that after Saudi Arabia Canada has the largest oil reserves.

Kevin Phillips best book is Politics of Rich and Poor. It does not include the nineties but it is noteworthy that the most massive increase in wealth disparities occurred during Clinton’s presidency.

Still if one buys into the oil as primary motive argument it would have made a lot better sense to invade Alberta. It would have been more economically and militarily feasible. My bet is that there would have been little resistance from Albertans or even Canadians.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: American traitor and

They are already in Alberta and the CIA is full of shit. 200 billion bbl in Iraq with only 21 of 80 fields parially developed exploration of Iraqi oil fields is not even complete. Saudi Arabias oil is thought to have already peaked. Iraqi oil may cost as little as 1 dollar a barrel, Canadian oil in the cannot compete with that.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: American traitor and

test

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: American traitor and

They are already in Alberta and the CIA is full of shit. 200 billion bbl in Iraq with only 21 of 80 fields partially developed exploration of Iraqi oil fields is not even complete. Saudi Arabias oil is thought to have already peaked. Iraqi oil may cost as little as 1 dollar a barrel, Canadian oil in the tarsand form cannot compete with that. The point in capturing Iraq is that it prevents that oil from being developed by anyone else that would not serve western corporate interests.

 

[jimmoyer]

That was torturous to read that logic.

That was like reading the Ptolemaic system of earth
as the center and explaining the retrograde motion
of the planets as the earth passed them by.

 

[sanch]

Re: RE: American traitor and

They are already in Alberta and the CIA is full of shit. 200 billion bbl in Iraq with only 21 of 80 fields partially developed exploration of Iraqi oil fields is not even complete. Saudi Arabias oil is thought to have already peaked. Iraqi oil may cost as little as 1 dollar a barrel, Canadian oil in the tarsand form cannot compete with that. The point in capturing Iraq is that it prevents that oil from being developed by anyone else that would not serve western corporate interests.

The whole planet is one big web of corporations be they private or state run. It’s one big global capitalist system and has since the end of the cold war, a little event that has not been factored into this west/ east dichotomy you are trying to prop up.

The US—and this is one of the reasons you know as much as you do—is a very transparent society. These numbers are on a public web site and can be verified by anyone and they are not being challenged. Except by you and you don’t have a source for a $1 A BARREL OIL.

And you don’t even have the critical facility to know if a book you are reading is by a republican or a democrat. Phillips admits he does not know how he got tagged as a republican but he has done little to refute it because considering the slant he uses it sells more books. You probably would not have been attracted to AT if it was written by a liberal. It was a big marketing hook and you chomped on it like a hungry weasel.

There is a lot of conjecture in AT as there usually is in books that are trying to correlate public policy with some sinister motivation. To make the case facts are often stretched or misconstrued.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: American traitor and

Not exactly as shown
some assembly required
batteries not included
six to eight weeks for delivery

It's one big capitalist global economy, maybe that's a problem eh.

The US is a very transparent and shallow society, this dosn't help the blind eh.

Wheather Philips is a Democrat or a Republican doesn't matter there is only one party eh.

Oil and global power could hardly be considered sinister motivations, they are rather the necessitys of life eh.

I understand that in the pursuit of power facts are often stretched or misconstrued, and you missed one,invented, only an idiot would not consider all of these eh.

 

[Toro]

RE: American traitor and

Kevin Phillips is a bit of a nutcase, prone to widespread conspiracy theories and unusual rantings.

That's why beaver likes him so much.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: American traitor and

How are you today Toro, did you burn any oil toady.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: American traitor and

from American Theocracy

In 2005 the Business-Higher Education Forum released new data showing that fifteen-year-old Americans are worse at problem solving than thier peers in twenty-five countries, Something else young Americans don't seem to understand--perhaps not surprisingly--is evolution. In 1993 an international social survey ranked Americans last--behind Bulgaria and Slovenia--in knowledge of the basic facts of evolution.
Part of the explaination involves the religious rights larger view of economic matters and the dismantling of government. In the radical Texas Republican platform adopted in 2004, the lone star GOP was not content to call for abolishing the Environmental Protection Agency and the Dept of Energy; it also demanded the abolition of the Internal Revenue Service and the elimination of income tax, the inheritance tax, the gift tax, the capital-gains levy, the corporate income tax, the payroll tax, and state and local property taxes. Apparently the White House was not embarrassed.

 

[jimmoyer]

Darkbeaver, most Americans do know about
evolution.

Silly beaver.

Simple concept.

And I live in the heart of Christian Hellfire, LOL !!!

I haven't gone to church lately, but man is it amazing
how 1000 people sit at 930 and then another 1000
attend at 1130.

These are multi-dimensional people.

They work hard and send their kids to college and
they raise a lot of money to help the poor here
and around the world (literally) and do so in time
and money that far outbeats most tax supported
foreign aid of many countries.

Pay 35.00 Canadian dollars for some cartoon book
that knows the market of its readership.

Your understanding of the financing system of taxes
is also a cartoon religious belief.

Flat tax vs Graduated Tax. Eliminating loopholes.
All sorts of legitimate pros and con remain on tax
theory.

Like the rightwingers who eat up everything that
conforms to their prejudice, so too do leftwingers.

I'm one of those conservatives who owe no allegiance
to Bush and find his historically fewest amount
of press conferences to be an abomination, as well as
some of the pork barrel the GOP has done.

Outsiders, like myself, are particulary prey to
cartoon images of other different societies.

The trick is to know when you are ravenous only
about that which conforms to your prejudice.

Sheesh, sorry for the tangle on that last sentence.


And that "You're" in "You're theary iz crazee, butt
knot crazee enuff two bee troo" is supposed to
be YOUR, not YOU'RE.

So you can see why I look at Bush's ineptitude at
extemporaneous speaking in a similar fashion to your
lack of sentence structure and correct spelling.


Shalom.

Dear Darkbeaver.

Allah Akbar.

By the way Darwin was mortified by his honest look at
the unnecessary pain and waste in nature, despite his
accurate description of natural selection.

His description of the inhuman horror of the universe, of nature rivals descriptions of a terrible inhuman God (read metaphor there) in the Old Testament. Quite poetic.

This observation in both Darwin, the Old Testament and
in Buddhism makes me think maybe the universe isn't all about
us.

Metaphors.


The extremists define us all, especially for the outsider believers.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: American traitor and

How are you today Toro, did you burn any oil toady.

Ok. That was funny.


I'm sorry Toro. :wink: