American Culture of Violence & It's Related Politics

Ocean Breeze

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: One person shot dead in Portland following clashes between BLM activists, pro-Trump supporters

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

The matins divisions and civil unrest can get out of control ..(particularly with everyone owning guns in the plural)...... Maybe that is what Trump wants......so he can bring in military style of "law and order".........

Trump is Doing noting to calm the situation at all........ while just his usual childish blame game...... He has no comprehension of the fact that the BUCK stops with HIM.
 

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: One person shot dead in Portland following clashes between BLM activists, pro-Trump supporters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
The matins divisions and civil unrest can get out of control ..(particularly with everyone owning guns in the plural)...... Maybe that is what Trump wants......so he can bring in military style of "law and order".........
Trump is Doing noting to calm the situation at all........ while just his usual childish blame game...... He has no comprehension of the fact that the BUCK stops with HIM.
Portland mayor sends open letter to Trump: 'No thanks'
Ted Wheeler rejects Trump's offer to send in federal agents

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/portland-mayor-wheeler-sends-open-letter-to-trump-no-thanks

Stoopid Trump, he's POTUS, he should just send the Feds, anyway.
 

Ocean Breeze

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I see, Wally supports Trump's civil war. No big surprise there.
Did Wally actually say "stoopid Trump"??? He finally got it right.;-)

He want s Trump to act even more authoritarian than he is already. He might just get his wish.....
 

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I found an actual photo of Wally...


 

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And it was 3 years ago ( while this guy was defending the role of the max train murderer) that I met the beautiful mother of Taliesin, one of the two young men who died on that train defending a black girl and a muslim girl from a racist murderer. When he was stabbed, Taliesin's last words were "tell everyone on the train that I love them". When his mother Asha, who is a devout buddhist, found out, she happened to be spending that day with her teacher a Tibetan monk. I saw when I met her a month later, that her heart was so open and she had forgiven the killer of her son and had a miracle around his burial ceremony. Now 3 years later, a a white man, member of a neo nazi group who was wielding a gun defending the motives of that racist killer, lays dead from a gunshot wound at a BLM protest in Portland on the street. And a black woman was with him trying to save his life. Let that sink in. - Sunita Chethik
 

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: One person shot dead in Portland following clashes between BLM activists, pro-Trump supporters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
The matins divisions and civil unrest can get out of control ..(particularly with everyone owning guns in the plural)...... Maybe that is what Trump wants......so he can bring in military style of "law and order".........
Trump is Doing noting to calm the situation at all........ while just his usual childish blame game...... He has no comprehension of the fact that the BUCK stops with HIM.

Portland Shooting Amplifies Tensions in Presidential Race

On “Meet the Press,” Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, described Mr. Trump as being “on the side of law enforcement and the rule of law” and spoke of violence in “Democrat cities.”

“Most of Donald Trump’s America is peaceful,” Mr. Meadows said. “It is a Democrat-led city in Portland that we’re talking about this morning who just yesterday denied help once again from the federal government.”

In more recent days, the protest crowd has typically numbered just a few hundred people. On Friday, after a peaceful demonstration in front of Mayor Wheeler’s residence, a crowd went to a police association building, where some of the protesters set fire to the front of the building before the police dispersed the crowd.

The police have made dozens of arrests in recent days as they have chased protesters through the streets, at times knocking them to the ground. The police said they had made 10 arrests Saturday night, although it was not immediately clear how many were participants in the pro-Trump rally and how many were countering the event.......Much More
 

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Did Wally actually say "stoopid Trump"??? He finally got it right.;-)

He want s Trump to act even more authoritarian than he is already. He might just get his wish.....
Trump needs to run as the law and order guy.

Like he did in 2016.

Murder rate up 26% under the Trump Show. That is the actual record on crime. He has been a disaster.
 

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And it was 3 years ago ( while this guy was defending the role of the max train murderer) that I met the beautiful mother of Taliesin, one of the two young men who died on that train defending a black girl and a muslim girl from a racist murderer. When he was stabbed, Taliesin's last words were "tell everyone on the train that I love them". When his mother Asha, who is a devout buddhist, found out, she happened to be spending that day with her teacher a Tibetan monk. I saw when I met her a month later, that her heart was so open and she had forgiven the killer of her son and had a miracle around his burial ceremony. Now 3 years later, a a white man, member of a neo nazi group who was wielding a gun defending the motives of that racist killer, lays dead from a gunshot wound at a BLM protest in Portland on the street. And a black woman was with him trying to save his life. Let that sink in. - Sunita Chethik
Just like Kyle Rittenhouse tried to save the lives of the men he shot.
 

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The Well Organized Militia is up against it now.

You either have the right to take your gun into the streets and shoot people or you do not.

In Alabama (surpise!) a congressional candidate defends the young white (surprise!) kid accused of gunning people down in Wisconsin.

https://www.al.com/news/2020/08/ala...consin-teen-charged-in-protest-shootings.html

I’m especially troubled that a young man felt compelled to take up arms to protect lives and property in Kenosha against a violent mob that was actively threatening to ‘burn it down’.


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he was compelled to take up arms.

which is, under US law, a thing.
 

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From an eyewitness during the Portland protest where the Patriot Prayer member was shot and killed:

"When people talk about "violent antifa" and "violent BLM", know that one of the medics who showed up to try and save right winger Jay Bishop's life was a Black woman who specifically came out to support BLM. Cops shoved her away and kicked her supplies into the gutter, only to stand around and watch him die.

Tell them that, please.

His friend in white, who responds to a cop asking what happened with "I DON'T KNOW, **** YOU" before taking off is Chandler Pappas. I wondered if Chandler Pappas took off because he wasn't supposed to be at this protest - turns out I was right, it violates his parole. In the comments I link audio where he says he wants to "kill these mother****ers".

Tell them that, please.

Should I even bother telling you about Jay Bishop and how he repeatedly came to these protests armed with guns and bear mace, looking to fight? I don't know. Does it matter that he was a violent felon? I don't know.

There's a lot of misinformation happening. Mainly I want it known armed white men came to Portland to start fights with Black Lives Matter activists... And when one of them got shot, it was a Black Lives Matter medic, a Black woman, that tried to save him, and it was the police who prevented her.

That seems important."
 

Cliffy

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Phil Rockstroh, who nails the current U.S. zeitgeist:

"The pathological soil of US society is going to continue to seed fascists in the form of the clutches of bloated cowards strutting the streets and public spaces (and shopping for Cheetos and Mountain Dew at Stop-And-Go outlets) clad in camouflage and brandishing automatic weapons and the election of Trump-like demagogues.

The nation refuses to face both its history of and present day manifestations of White supremacy. The nation was formed and expanded by a settler-colonialist culture wherein acts of violence, to the point of genocide, were rewarded with social advancement and lasting advantage. Of course, members of the majority culture, by atavistic habit, will reach for deadly weaponry when they feel threatened when minority people push back against the US societal structure — an architecture that is forged and is dependant on racism and its inherent police state violence against minority members and the White underclass. Moreover, members of the latter haves been induced, by the operatives of the capitalist overclass, to displace their angst and rage on minorities struggling for self-determination.

Rightwing demagogues understand the situation and exploit it while liberals fuel the fires of rage by their classism-based condescension. The combined phenomena of societal/cultural/government corruption and concomitant, internal rot and class/racial polarity are tearing the nation apart. From all indications, it appears there is no turning the situation around. The tatters that will remain after the coming and exponentially increasing upheaval will have to be woven into a novel cultural fabric.

As a general rule, when things come undone, the dynamic unfolds, at first, slowly — then all at once. Then unfolds the long slog involved with the reinvention of both an individual and collective humanity. Novel forms arrive from reconfigurations of the rubble of collapsed systems.

And no, Biden — like Trump, the very embodiment of the failing order — does not possess the will nor capacity to bring remedy to the situation. The hideous system produced Biden. He is an agent of change only insofar as he, again like Trump, is a two-legged, half-senile catalyst of the system’s irrevocable undoing."
 

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From an eyewitness during the Portland protest where the Patriot Prayer member was shot and killed:
"When people talk about "violent antifa" and "violent BLM", know that one of the medics who showed up to try and save right winger Jay Bishop's life was a Black woman who specifically came out to support BLM. Cops shoved her away and kicked her supplies into the gutter, only to stand around and watch him die.
Tell them that, please.
His friend in white, who responds to a cop asking what happened with "I DON'T KNOW, **** YOU" before taking off is Chandler Pappas. I wondered if Chandler Pappas took off because he wasn't supposed to be at this protest - turns out I was right, it violates his parole. In the comments I link audio where he says he wants to "kill these mother****ers".
Tell them that, please.
Should I even bother telling you about Jay Bishop and how he repeatedly came to these protests armed with guns and bear mace, looking to fight? I don't know. Does it matter that he was a violent felon? I don't know.
There's a lot of misinformation happening. Mainly I want it known armed white men came to Portland to start fights with Black Lives Matter activists... And when one of them got shot, it was a Black Lives Matter medic, a Black woman, that tried to save him, and it was the police who prevented her.
That seems important."
Prog shit.
 

Walter

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Phil Rockstroh, who nails the current U.S. zeitgeist:
"The pathological soil of US society is going to continue to seed fascists in the form of the clutches of bloated cowards strutting the streets and public spaces (and shopping for Cheetos and Mountain Dew at Stop-And-Go outlets) clad in camouflage and brandishing automatic weapons and the election of Trump-like demagogues.
The nation refuses to face both its history of and present day manifestations of White supremacy. The nation was formed and expanded by a settler-colonialist culture wherein acts of violence, to the point of genocide, were rewarded with social advancement and lasting advantage. Of course, members of the majority culture, by atavistic habit, will reach for deadly weaponry when they feel threatened when minority people push back against the US societal structure — an architecture that is forged and is dependant on racism and its inherent police state violence against minority members and the White underclass. Moreover, members of the latter haves been induced, by the operatives of the capitalist overclass, to displace their angst and rage on minorities struggling for self-determination.
Rightwing demagogues understand the situation and exploit it while liberals fuel the fires of rage by their classism-based condescension. The combined phenomena of societal/cultural/government corruption and concomitant, internal rot and class/racial polarity are tearing the nation apart. From all indications, it appears there is no turning the situation around. The tatters that will remain after the coming and exponentially increasing upheaval will have to be woven into a novel cultural fabric.
As a general rule, when things come undone, the dynamic unfolds, at first, slowly — then all at once. Then unfolds the long slog involved with the reinvention of both an individual and collective humanity. Novel forms arrive from reconfigurations of the rubble of collapsed systems.
And no, Biden — like Trump, the very embodiment of the failing order — does not possess the will nor capacity to bring remedy to the situation. The hideous system produced Biden. He is an agent of change only insofar as he, again like Trump, is a two-legged, half-senile catalyst of the system’s irrevocable undoing."
Prpg shit, piled higher and deeper.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Typical of the far left media to vilify Kyle Rittenhouse, while attacking anyone who points out the people that he shot were horrible people. The man that was shot in Portland seems like a saint in comparison. I'm also having trouble buying this story.

Another case of a pot calling the kettle black.
even "horrible" people do not deserve to be shot the way it has been happening (by the cops_........ Are we not supposed to be a civilized society?? A society of laws that are to deal with criminal behavior. Assassination by cop is NOT law and order....... it is barbaric.

If what we are seeing is "law and order" POTUS.......... then his promise of same is as empty as a bankers heart. He is too provocative & biased to be a fair law and order potus.
 

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even "horrible" people do not deserve to be shot the way it has been happening (by the cops_........ Are we not supposed to be a civilized society?? A society of laws that are to deal with criminal behavior. Assassination by cop is NOT law and order....... it is barbaric.

If what we are seeing is "law and order" POTUS.......... then his promise of same is as empty as a bankers heart. He is too provocative & biased to be a fair law and order potus.
What exactly would you do if President ? Should he send in the troops without support from state governments ? Should he declare Marshall law ? Can he ? What should he do ?
 

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What exactly would you do if President ? Should he send in the troops without support from state governments ? Should he declare Marshall law ? Can he ? What should he do ?
The asshole should resign and let a more qualified person do the job right, preferably a woman.