American Culture of Violence & It's Related Politics

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Ocean Breeze

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One thing is obvious. The US mental health system is seriously lacking. Mind you the attitude towards mental illness are still rather primitive. (something to be shunned. a sign of weakness. and other such uneducated, and backward ideas ) or an excuse for aberrant behavior , feelings of despondency etc ) Mind you , most cannot or will not recognize symptoms of emotional stress if they are right in front of them. There is a tenancy to "normalise even the most disturbed behavior.........or go into denial.)
 

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One thing is obvious. The US mental health system is seriously lacking. Mind you the attitude towards mental illness are still rather primitive. (something to be shunned. a sign of weakness. and other such uneducated, and backward ideas ) or an excuse for aberrant behavior , feelings of despondency etc ) Mind you , most cannot or will not recognize symptoms of emotional stress if they are right in front of them. There is a tenancy to "normalise even the most disturbed behavior.........or go into denial.)
Actually, the Veterans Administration is trying desperately to get more mental health workers, using every trick in the book: bonuses, special pay rates, contracting out, everything the law allows.

The real problem is in the active service, where the soldiers are caught in a Catch-22: if you report for mental health problems, you're taken off your normal duties. Looks bad on a service record.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Actually, the Veterans Administration is trying desperately to get more mental health workers, using every trick in the book: bonuses, special pay rates, contracting out, everything the law allows.

The real problem is in the active service, where the soldiers are caught in a Catch-22: if you report for mental health problems, you're taken off your normal duties. Looks bad on a service record.
Looking bad on a service record is a shameful reason not to seek help.......as it is part of that overall attitude . Folks who seeks help should be respected for doing so. Too many don't for the various masons we know of......and things end up in major tragedies. (usually family related or even mass killings) Reality is : if someone cannot / should not be in the military it is better to deal with it before things get worse. Perhaps the screening of applicants should include psych testing too. The military is a very stressful profession........tosay the least. Not everyone is cut out for it.
 

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Looking bad on a service record is a shameful reason not to seek help...
Sadly, it is also a common reason not to seek help, and not only in the armed forces. Anybody's armed forces.

....as it is part of that overall attitude . Folks who seeks help should be respected for doing so. Too many don't for the various masons we know of......and things end up in major tragedies. (usually family related or even mass killings)
I agree completely, but that doesn't change the fact that somebody who reports for mental health issues is necessarily taken off the job. I think it should be treated exactly like if the soldier broke his ankle on duty.

We're getting there. Not quickly enough, but the barriers are dropping.

The military actually works hard to take care of its people. I've had many jobs since I got out, and not a one of them gave a damn less if I was suffering, as long as I showed up for work. The Air Force took care of me.

Reality is : if someone cannot / should not be in the military it is better to deal with it before things get worse. Perhaps the screening of applicants should include psych testing too. The military is a very stressful profession........tosay the least. Not everyone is cut out for it.
Screening of applicants does include psych testing, on an ongoing basis. Far more, as I have said, than in any other job I've ever held.

I agree more should be done, and particularly the military needs to work faster to take down the barriers to seeking mental health treatment. But you seem to think the U.S. military is working like a John Wayne tough-guy movie. It isn't.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Sadly, it is also a common reason not to seek help, and not only in the armed forces. Anybody's armed forces.


I agree completely, but that doesn't change the fact that somebody who reports for mental health issues is necessarily taken off the job. I think it should be treated exactly like if the soldier broke his ankle on duty.

We're getting there. Not quickly enough, but the barriers are dropping.

The military actually works hard to take care of its people. I've had many jobs since I got out, and not a one of them gave a damn less if I was suffering, as long as I showed up for work. The Air Force took care of me.


Screening of applicants does include psych testing, on an ongoing basis. Far more, as I have said, than in any other job I've ever held.

I agree more should be done, and particularly the military needs to work faster to take down the barriers to seeking mental health treatment. But you seem to think the U.S. military is working like a John Wayne tough-guy movie. It isn't.
No.... your analogy of the John wayne movie / military comparison..........is not at all what I am thinking. In fact I think that it takes away from the military . the job they sign up for is challenging, demanding, stressful....... and even though structured....... it has its predictable factors. I respect them totally. It tiakes a group of special skills and personality types to handle this specialized field.

I agree about the other jobs that don't seem to have the kind of requirements from their staff (or rewards) that should exist.
 

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One thing is obvious. The US mental health system is seriously lacking. Mind you the attitude towards mental illness are still rather primitive. (something to be shunned. a sign of weakness. and other such uneducated, and backward ideas ) or an excuse for aberrant behavior , feelings of despondency etc ) Mind you , most cannot or will not recognize symptoms of emotional stress if they are right in front of them. There is a tenancy to "normalise even the most disturbed behavior.........or go into denial.)
Regretably, Canadian Vets are dying, too.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...han-general-population-study/article37237508/
 

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Court rules families of Sandy Hook shooting victims can sue gunmaker Remington over 2012 attack


Connecticut's Supreme Court has ruled that Remington can be sued over how it marketed the Bushmaster rifle, which was used to kill 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, the AP reports.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/
 

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Court rules families of Sandy Hook shooting victims can sue gunmaker Remington over 2012 attack


Connecticut's Supreme Court has ruled that Remington can be sued over how it marketed the Bushmaster rifle, which was used to kill 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, the AP reports.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/
This is pretty amazing.

The NRA has pretty much bought up every SC in America.

Not quite sure how this happened.
 

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Court rules families of Sandy Hook shooting victims can sue gunmaker Remington over 2012 attack


Connecticut's Supreme Court has ruled that Remington can be sued over how it marketed the Bushmaster rifle, which was used to kill 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, the AP reports.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/
But will they win in a court of law ?
 

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Grammy-nominated rapper Nipsey Hussle, 33, dies in shooting outside his store, Los Angeles mayor says


Ermias Asghedom, who went by the name Nipsey Hussle, was one of three victims of a shooting outside the rapper's store, The Marathon Clothing, on Sunday night, police say. His debut studio album, Victory Lap, earned a nomination for best rap album at the 61st annual Grammy Awards in 2019.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/
 

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Grammy-nominated rapper Nipsey Hussle, 33, dies in shooting outside his store, Los Angeles mayor says

Ermias Asghedom, who went by the name Nipsey Hussle, was one of three victims of a shooting outside the rapper's store, The Marathon Clothing, on Sunday night, police say. His debut studio album, Victory Lap, earned a nomination for best rap album at the 61st annual Grammy Awards in 2019.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/
Rappers have a history of offing each other.