Re: RE: America Evil?
That's the pot calling the kettle black if I ever heard one.
no1important said:
That's the pot calling the kettle black if I ever heard one.
America Evil?
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We aren't arresting little girls for writing stories, tasering teenagers, or handcuffing five year olds up here, I think not.
I think I made it clear that I was referring to his "superior morality" comment, that's much more prevalent north of where I am.
but it is the Americans that are carrying out those same acts that are claiming to have superior morality. That's been the Bushite line since the beginning.
We have our own brand of them up here, btw. The Harperites. I can assure you that No 1 Important is not one of them though.
We have our own brand of them up here, btw. The Harperites. I can assure you that No 1 Important is not one of them though.
Re: RE: America Evil?
Rev, I never implied No 1 is a Harperite or whichever way you prefer to call them, nor did I imply he is knee deep in "superior morality"
I'm all to aware of Bush and company and their motives. As far as I'm concerned he's the worst thing to hit the White House since 1776. It pisses me off everytime I see him on TV, read about what else he's upto etc....The red states have chosen otherwise. In 3 years he will be history and hopefully (and more importantly) he will take the group of hawks with him. If not, we will deal with it, some way some how, we always do, it may take time, but we always do.
But I will tell you something else, I have traveled quite extensively throughout your country over the past ten years, and I am really puzzled about something, and here lies my comment about the pot calling the kettle black, what is it that makes Canadians(many of them) feel so superior (morally) to Americans? Because I can't put my finger on it really. I would really appreciate someone to answer me (and I'm not being sarcastic).
I have traveled East to West, North to South and haven't seen one shred of evidence that would make Canadians morally superior to Americans. I even read news articles in your papers when I visit and they are actually blatently putting it in cold print, why is that?
Thank you.
Reverend Blair said:
Rev, I never implied No 1 is a Harperite or whichever way you prefer to call them, nor did I imply he is knee deep in "superior morality"
I'm all to aware of Bush and company and their motives. As far as I'm concerned he's the worst thing to hit the White House since 1776. It pisses me off everytime I see him on TV, read about what else he's upto etc....The red states have chosen otherwise. In 3 years he will be history and hopefully (and more importantly) he will take the group of hawks with him. If not, we will deal with it, some way some how, we always do, it may take time, but we always do.
But I will tell you something else, I have traveled quite extensively throughout your country over the past ten years, and I am really puzzled about something, and here lies my comment about the pot calling the kettle black, what is it that makes Canadians(many of them) feel so superior (morally) to Americans? Because I can't put my finger on it really. I would really appreciate someone to answer me (and I'm not being sarcastic).
I have traveled East to West, North to South and haven't seen one shred of evidence that would make Canadians morally superior to Americans. I even read news articles in your papers when I visit and they are actually blatently putting it in cold print, why is that?
Thank you.
There are a few things, I think not. I don't consider it to be moral superiority, it is more a Europeaness in most cases. It makes us very different from the United States.
Canada has little history of imperialism outside of its own borders, and the little that is there most don't know about.
We have a reputation for punching above our weight internationally. That goes back to when we were just a colony, but became very prevalent during the first and second world wars. It continued right up through the Trudeau years through our work with the UN.
We are not war-like. Our country does not go to war easily, but when we do, we do a very good job of it. We've never had a real civil war. There was the Riel Rebellion, but that was far from all out war.
We have a tradition of social justice and equal rights. We've generally had less racism than most places. We've accepted more people from more places than other nations and we've encouraged them not just to keep their cultural identities, but to share them. We got rid of the death penalty long ago. We've been a leader in women's rights.
We are a wealthy nation and we got that way without as much of the cruelty to others so often seen in the histories of other nations.
There's a lot more, but that should give you an idea. Canadians are not like Americans and don't want to be like Americans, though Americans and some Canadians (those Harperites again) think we should.
The result is that when we see something wrong, we speak out. We have every right to because we have a lot of experience at being right.
Canada has little history of imperialism outside of its own borders, and the little that is there most don't know about.
We have a reputation for punching above our weight internationally. That goes back to when we were just a colony, but became very prevalent during the first and second world wars. It continued right up through the Trudeau years through our work with the UN.
We are not war-like. Our country does not go to war easily, but when we do, we do a very good job of it. We've never had a real civil war. There was the Riel Rebellion, but that was far from all out war.
We have a tradition of social justice and equal rights. We've generally had less racism than most places. We've accepted more people from more places than other nations and we've encouraged them not just to keep their cultural identities, but to share them. We got rid of the death penalty long ago. We've been a leader in women's rights.
We are a wealthy nation and we got that way without as much of the cruelty to others so often seen in the histories of other nations.
There's a lot more, but that should give you an idea. Canadians are not like Americans and don't want to be like Americans, though Americans and some Canadians (those Harperites again) think we should.
The result is that when we see something wrong, we speak out. We have every right to because we have a lot of experience at being right.
Re: RE: America Evil?
Rev over the past several weeks, I have come to realize you have the gift of gab, I may not always agree with what you say, but I always try and keep an open mind. I think what you say here is at best ambivalent. I dont understand how not having a civil war for example makes Canadians more Europeaness. I'm not sure what you mean by other things also. I think issues are alot more complicated than what you presented them to me but nevertheless I appreciate your feedback, however I am mentally drained a bit at the moment (maybe its the 5th beer) and cant get into it, but I will post again with further analysis another day with a new thread. Thanks again for your input.
Reverend Blair said:
Rev over the past several weeks, I have come to realize you have the gift of gab, I may not always agree with what you say, but I always try and keep an open mind. I think what you say here is at best ambivalent. I dont understand how not having a civil war for example makes Canadians more Europeaness. I'm not sure what you mean by other things also. I think issues are alot more complicated than what you presented them to me but nevertheless I appreciate your feedback, however I am mentally drained a bit at the moment (maybe its the 5th beer) and cant get into it, but I will post again with further analysis another day with a new thread. Thanks again for your input.
Well said my New York friend known as "I think not."
It shows you collate and think about Reverend Blair's automatic spiel.
Reverend Blair has grown too use to his own thoughts and no longer questions himself.
It shows you collate and think about Reverend Blair's automatic spiel.
Reverend Blair has grown too use to his own thoughts and no longer questions himself.
As opposed to a pair of Americans who automatically scream, "Anti-Americanism," whenever their government is questioned while believing the pablum their government feeds them?
When you say things like we arrest little girls and handcuff them, you got no clue, nor understanding.'
You'll latch on to a fact with no comprehension or analysis.
You're as duped by the headlines as you think others are.
You'll latch on to a fact with no comprehension or analysis.
You're as duped by the headlines as you think others are.
Ya well, how's bout this...you gotta guy in the white house that licks his comb 8O Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 8O even the mackenzine brothers would never do that.
When you bend a five year old girl over a table and handcuff her for having a temper tantrum, you've gone too far, Jim.
Handcuffing a girl is the only detail or rather headline Reverend Blair knows.
He knows nothing else about it, and so in great wisdom conludes he needs know nothing more about it.
He knows nothing else about it, and so in great wisdom conludes he needs know nothing more about it.
The kid threw a tantrum in kindergarten. The cops showed up and handcuffed her. It was on the news. Even Fox was critical of the cops.
I could spend all night posting articles of police in the states pepper spraying arresting and beating children Jim You want some 8O
Trust me you can find whatever facts you need to support any view. And in particular you could find any facts to support your view.
But here's a more fairer appraisal of the issue.
I used to substitute teach so I got to see the best or rather the worst of it. I got to see how our public school systems are so afraid of law suits and the kids know it. Mainly the bad ones take advantage of it.
So you got to see the public school officials afraid to touch or stop her. Reasoning with her wasn't going to work. Also her parents wrote a letter to the school system warning them not to touch her child and that a law suit would be promised but I haven't been able to completely verify that.
Also as I watched that video, I didn't see some kid flailing out of control, but rather found her to be very much in control. Willful control. Confident that everyone's hand was tied as she proceeded to knock books and papers over.
The school principal was in a meeting and no one got the principal out. I also heard when the police came by, most of the officals left for the day, but I'm not sure of that fact.
I think the adults were afraid to do anything. So afraid they pleaded with the father not to call the police. The father insisted on it.
I don't know what to judge of all of this or even if everyone of my facts is completely accurate or incomplete.
It's ashame is what it is, but it's the headline that shoots around the world, because, face it the world is hungry for it more than about a story of a child heroicly accomplishing something inspiring.
Again I have a writer friend who has contracted the BBC to film this local redneck bar for all of its colorful teethless characters, because that's what pays the bill these days.
They won't be going down the next block to a far more representative bar and restaurant.
But here's a more fairer appraisal of the issue.
I used to substitute teach so I got to see the best or rather the worst of it. I got to see how our public school systems are so afraid of law suits and the kids know it. Mainly the bad ones take advantage of it.
So you got to see the public school officials afraid to touch or stop her. Reasoning with her wasn't going to work. Also her parents wrote a letter to the school system warning them not to touch her child and that a law suit would be promised but I haven't been able to completely verify that.
Also as I watched that video, I didn't see some kid flailing out of control, but rather found her to be very much in control. Willful control. Confident that everyone's hand was tied as she proceeded to knock books and papers over.
The school principal was in a meeting and no one got the principal out. I also heard when the police came by, most of the officals left for the day, but I'm not sure of that fact.
I think the adults were afraid to do anything. So afraid they pleaded with the father not to call the police. The father insisted on it.
I don't know what to judge of all of this or even if everyone of my facts is completely accurate or incomplete.
It's ashame is what it is, but it's the headline that shoots around the world, because, face it the world is hungry for it more than about a story of a child heroicly accomplishing something inspiring.
Again I have a writer friend who has contracted the BBC to film this local redneck bar for all of its colorful teethless characters, because that's what pays the bill these days.
They won't be going down the next block to a far more representative bar and restaurant.
Your cops handcuffed a five year old girl.
WTF...at the summit in Florida you shot a teenaged girl with rubber bullets. Her extreme crime? Praying for peace.
Now I'm not a big fan of praying, but that's pretty damned rude.
You are living in a police state now, Jim.
WTF...at the summit in Florida you shot a teenaged girl with rubber bullets. Her extreme crime? Praying for peace.
Now I'm not a big fan of praying, but that's pretty damned rude.
You are living in a police state now, Jim.