Ambrose Urged to Resign From Conference

[BitWhys]

lets see here

For starters, Canada isn't supposed to be the ones buying extra credits, the companies that don't meet standard are. The Kyoto money being socked away by the Liberals, as I understand it, was a likely-scenario contingency fund in support of the decision to hold off until the economy got up to speed. Stupid fricking plan that back-burnered the entire process.

If the Liberals were serious they would have had industry on full notice from the get-go, still been been able to let them slack on implementation on the front-end and ready greening up full force. Right now would have been a perfect time to be importing green technologies on our strong dollar. If the Conservatives were serious, those purchases have been encouraged by allowing companies to accelerate depreciation on said technologies and yes, it had been suggested to them. But they're the ones who deliberately missed that boat.

There's still plenty of time to have a big impact on meeting the goals and if Ambrose was being such an ass about things there's probably room to manouver and catch a break based on our efforts over the next couple of years but she denying the first, too fucking stupid to pull off the second and doesn't believe in the third. More's the pity.

When the carbon credit market settles those billions "we" export are a reward for those companies that invested in the future and met their responsibilities, thereby speeding up recovery of their investment.

 

[BitWhys]

and a measurable goal may be more appealling but it is by no means necessarily the most equitable.

 

[Johnny Utah]

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Rona Ambrose is still a Babe!

maybe you think so. probably because she shares a facial tick with Condi.

What does that mean? :lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

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I have a question for the Kyoto supporters here. If all the countries that have signed on, meet their emissions targets by the deadline, how long before global warming or climate change is stopped dead?

Maybe soon enough maybe not, but if we don't try quess what? :lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

do you support it?

yes or no

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Vicious]

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I have a question for the Kyoto supporters here. If all the countries that have signed on, meet their emissions targets by the deadline, how long before global warming or climate change is stopped dead?

Maybe soon enough maybe not, but if we don't try quess what? :lol:

It might rain for 40 days and 40 nights. Have you started your ark?

A re-run of a Dennis Miller comedy routine was on last night.

To paraphrase: The data that supports global warming tells us the earth has warmed 1.8 degrees over the last hundred years. I say great I was always a little chilly anyhow. The ecologists will say but what about your kids, and your kid's, kids. What's that? 3.6 tops? I'll tell 'em we moved to Arizona.

The point I'm trying to make is if we stop breathing and producing anymore greenhouse gases today. No one can tell us how long it will take for global warming to stop. The reason being it that the climate is always changing the world we live in today is not the same as it was 100, 1000 or 10000 years ago. It has changed and will continue to change. So don't get bent outta shape when it does.

 

[#juan]

Vicious

I think you had better do a little reading. On these forums this topic has progressed farther than one line put downs. The scientific evidence of global warming is no laughing matter. Every year for the last 15 or so has been the warmest on record. Polar bears are drowning because they have too far to swim to get to the ice pack. The polar ice is receding further than ever recorded. There is lots of evidence. All you have to do is look. I take my kid's, and their kid's future very seriously.

 

[Vicious]

Vicious

I think you had better do a little reading. On these forums this topic has progressed farther than one line put downs. The scientific evidence of global warming is no laughing matter. Every year for the last 15 or so has been the warmest on record. Polar bears are drowning because they have too far to swim to get to the ice pack. The polar ice is receding further than ever recorded. There is lots of evidence. All you have to do is look. I take my kid's, and their kid's future very seriously.

I've done some reading. Weather records go back to the 1850's for some cities - so 15 years does not a trend make. The weather records I've seen are all over the place. In general they point to a 0.6 celcius rise in global average temperature since 1850. There's some interesting links on wikipedia that point to warming as a general trend over the last 5 million years. If you can show me a study that answers my question (what happens when we are successful meeting our Kyoto targets) I will gladly read it and it may well change my opinion.

I'm a person who can be persuaded by a valid study or argument. I'm not so old that I can't learn. However eveything I seen so far is theortical or hypothetical.

I'm not a neanderthal either. I'm on board that the climate is changing, I'm just not on board that we can control it in any way.

I don't think the issue is funny, but I think the best approach is to question everything your told certainly by the media. I always ask myself what does the author have to gain by changing my opinion.

 

[Kreskin]

What a coincidence.

 

[Vicious]

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Does the word 'reconstructed' in the title cause you any concern?

My question remains unanswered - what happens when we are successful meeting our Kyoto targets

 

[Kreskin]

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Does the word 'reconstructed' in the title cause you any concern?

My question remains unanswered - what happens when we are successful meeting our Kyoto targets

No the word causes me no concern whatsoever.

What do you mean "what happens"? What happens to what?

 

[Vicious]

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To the climate change issue. When does it start to get colder, when does the extreme weather stop? If we are going to invest so much effort in addressing the problem of climate change I'd like to what the experts say on when this solution will address the problem.

 

[Kreskin]

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To the climate change issue. When does it start to get colder, when does the extreme weather stop? If we are going to invest so much effort in addressing the problem of climate change I'd like to what the experts say on when this solution will address the problem.

I personally have no idea. But any kind of plan is better than the faith-based version, unless you want the arctic without permanent sea ice to be an oil shipping lane in 20 or 25 years. Who could possibly want that? :roll:

 

[Vicious]

I'm not arguing about the problem (well not that much anyway). I'm aguing about the solution.

I'm arguing that the plan (Kyoto) is a faith based solution. If no-one can tell me the impact it is supposed to have on climate change then why should I buy in that this is the solution or even a small step towards a solution?

There are alot of problems in Canada and the world that $5B could make a dent in. Why spend it on a step down the road to somewhere no one can describe.

Take the same $5B and spend it on pollution control of all sorts, emissions, garbage problems, waterways, etc. That is a better use of those dollars than spending it on kyoto.

 

[BitWhys]

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Rona Ambrose is still a Babe!

maybe you think so. probably because she shares a facial tick with Condi.

What does that mean? :lol:

you never noticed? her mouth slants to the side whenever she's bullshitting.

 

[Jay]

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/05/15/kyoto.html

Ambrose feels heat for heading UN climate-change meeting

During question period on Monday, Liberal Leader Bill Graham asked the prime minister if he saw the "irony" in having someone who "despises" Kyoto to chair the meeting in Germany.

"Why has Canada's minister of the environment arrived in Bonn without a concrete proposal to make Kyoto work?" Graham asked.

But Prime Minister Stephen Harper said he wants Canada to help develop new targets under Kyoto.

"The irony is that the [Liberal party] missed its Kyoto target by 35 per cent [and] now wants Canada to abandon our role in the international conference," Harper said. "That would be irresponsible."

Liberals speaking of irony?....Anyways, why is it you have to agree 100% with the Kyoto agreement to Chair the meeting in Germany? Is it some inflexible thing that must be adhered to or hell will freeze over? Things that have no flexibility might break, does Graham understand these sort of things or is BSing us?

Why didn't the Liberals meet these targets?

 

[darkbeaver]

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Ambrose chairing the Kyoto meeting is like an atheist doing a baptism.

 

[WIAF]

"To put that into perspective, that would mean that today we would have to take every train, plane and automobile off the streets in Canada. That is not realistic and I ask the honourable member, is that the kind of solution he thinks is a good idea?" - Environment Minister Ambrose

Every train and plane from the streets of Canada? Babe or not, Ambrose sure has a way with words. Sheesh!

:roll:

 

[Colpy]

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Ambrose chairing the Kyoto meeting is like an atheist doing a baptism.

I agree.

If we are going to walk away from the Kyoto foolishness, then let's be honest enough to WALK AWAY, not say one thing and do another.

We're not Liberals, after all.