All Will Be Made Alive

[Motar]

some people don't know how to have a civilized argument. It's "I'm right and you're stupid."

That’s an ad hominem response, right?

 

[Motar]

The CDC has significantly reduced the published mortality rate for Covid-19 recently. What does that indicate?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

That’s an ad hominem response, right?

RIght, attacking the person rather than the argument. There's a lot of that goes on here.

The CDC has significantly reduced the published mortality rate for Covid-19 recently. What does that indicate?

Hard to say. Perhaps a more thorough examination of the data showed that deaths originally attributed to Covid-19 were in fact more accurately characterized as due to something else, like some underlying condition that made the virus infection worse but not the primary cause of death. Got a link for that? I haven't seen that reported anywhere, and a quick search on terms like "cdc covid mortality" turns up reports saying that the claim is false.

Edited to add: Snopes also says it's not true. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-death-figures/

 

[Cliffy]

I think the question is who, not what, and I'm sure that's a long list. A lot of people use the anonymity of places like this to be far more rude and offensive than they'd be in real life, though there's at least one poster I've seem claim to be exactly as rude and offensive in real life as here, and seems proud of it. That eludes my understanding, but some people aren't nice, some people can't deal with being challenged, some people don't believe they could be wrong, and some people don't know how to have a civilized argument. It's "I'm right and you're stupid."

I couldn't have said it better.

 

[Motar]

RIght, attacking the person rather than the argument. There's a lot of that goes on here.
Hard to say. Perhaps a more thorough examination of the data showed that deaths originally attributed to Covid-19 were in fact more accurately characterized as due to something else, like some underlying condition that made the virus infection worse but not the primary cause of death. Got a link for that? I haven't seen that reported anywhere, and a quick search on terms like "cdc covid mortality" turns up reports saying that the claim is false.
Edited to add: Snopes also says it's not true. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-death-figures/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/...fslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q#Comorbidities

Scroll down to Comorbidities, Dex.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The Snopes page explains it. It's data collected from different sources at different times with varying degrees of time lag. As Snopes remarks, it's like comparing stock prices from a two week old newspaper with today's prices as reported by a cable news outlet, and concluding there's some sort of conspiracy going on that explains the mismatch.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I couldn't have said it better.

Oh I'd bet you could if you worked on it a bit...

 

[Motar]

The Snopes page explains it. It's data collected from different sources at different times with varying degrees of time lag. As Snopes remarks, it's like comparing stock prices from a two week old newspaper with today's prices as reported by a cable news outlet, and concluding there's some sort of conspiracy going on that explains the mismatch.

I visited the Snopes site today and looked around. The associations with liberal-leaning media are many.

https://www.snopes.com/articles-about-snopes/

I wonder if this influences the findings.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I visited the Snopes site today and looked around. The associations with liberal-leaning media are many.

https://www.snopes.com/articles-about-snopes/

I wonder if this influences the findings.

I doubt it, they're not beholden to any of them. Those aren't really what anyone would call "associations," it's just a list of stories that various media outlets have provided on Snopes, which implies nothing about any association among them. And "liberal-leaning media?" I noted Reader's Digest, Christian Science Monitor, Popular Mechanics, and CNN on the list there, hardly what anyone would call liberal-leaning. I think you're just looking for some reason, any reason, to dismiss Snopes as a reliable source.

 

[Cliffy]

This is so obvious that it escapes most evangelicals who this Jesus was an American who spoke English, was of European decent, hated the poor, the sick and the elderly. Evangelicals give Jesus, and religion in general, a bad name. Prosperity gospel spewing TV evangelists are the antithesis of Jesus teachings. And I won't even get into the fact that Jesus was just a man.

 

[DaSleeper]

 

[Motar]

I doubt it, they're not beholden to any of them. Those aren't really what anyone would call "associations," it's just a list of stories that various media outlets have provided on Snopes, which implies nothing about any association among them. And "liberal-leaning media?" I noted Reader's Digest, Christian Science Monitor, Popular Mechanics, and CNN on the list there, hardly what anyone would call liberal-leaning. I think you're just looking for some reason, any reason, to dismiss Snopes as a reliable source.

Snopes is one commercial enterprise offering a service with a particular ideological foundation, Dex. A recent apologetics class made me aware of the universality of human bias and presuppositions. Whether personal or partisan, I believe we all speak from a worldview colored by our experiences, education and associations.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yes, and everybody's entitled to their own opinions, but they're not entitled to their own facts. Facts are the same for everybody. There are three kinds of opinion: informed opinion, uninformed opinion, and lunatic opinion. Only the first is worth taking seriously. It's often hard to tell if a particular opinion is informed or not, and the Internet provides millions of examples of the other two types. Only an idiot relies on a single source of information. Snopes is pretty good and has a well-earned reputation for getting the facts straight. It's not always right, nobody is, or can be, but I'd certainly accept its analyses over many others.

 

[Motar]

I agree with you concerning the importance of verifying data and findings through proven higher authority, Dex.

 

[Motar]

The CDC has significantly reduced the published mortality rate for Covid-19 recently. What does that indicate?

I think it indicates that a Higher Authority has spoken.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I think it indicates that an ignorant fool has spoken.

 

[Motar]

I think it indicates that a Higher Authority has spoken.

It may be that the White House or the World Health Organization advised the CDC to check the math, Dex. I don’t know the reporting structure above these higher authorities.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

No, it's that people don't understand how and what the CDC reports.

 

[Motar]

No, it's that people don't understand how and what the CDC reports.

Hello Dex. How was your weekend? I am in an online program, so spent the bulk of it completing the latest assignment.

An agency of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, "the main job of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is to protect lives and improve health. The CDC's two overarching goals are to prepare for terrorist health threats and, at the same time, protect the health and quality of health across the United States" (Stanhope & Lancaster, 2008, p. 58 ).

Reference

Stanhope, M., & Lancaster, J. (2008 ). Public health nursing: Population-centered health care in the community. (7th ed.). St. Louis, MO: Mosby Ellevier.

 

[Motar]

"Bless the Lord, O my soul, and all that is within me, bless his holy name. Bless the Lord, O my soul, and do not forget all his benefits—who forgives all your iniquity, who heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from the Pit, who crowns you with steadfast love and mercy, who satisfies you with good as long as you live so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s." (Psalm 103:1-5)

The ancient Hebrew King David ascribes disease control in his day to the Lord.