Alberta
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WHy:? It is their land. And the liberal government has repeatedly interfered in what is clearly Provincial jurisdiction forever. The separatist movement was created by turdOWE with his deliberate interfering with job creation in Alberta.
Yet another clear case of the liberal party interfering in Provincial affairs. If anything this will improve the odds of separation.If the goal of Alberta Court of King’s Bench Justice Shaina Leonard was to fuel the separatist fire, she’s doing an exquisite job.
On Wednesday, Leonard quashed a petition that separatists in the province had organized to trigger an independence referendum in the fall. Why? Because the chief electoral officer who allowed the petition to go forth in the first place didn’t adequately consult the Indigenous peoples of the province.
That’s right. The very same duty to consult responsible for roadblocking major projects and hobbling the country’s economy — and driving separatist sentiment among Albertans fed up with all of the above — is now being weaponized to prevent a democratic consultation of the general public.
Justice Leonard’s reasoning was that consultations needed to happen before the petition was even approved because a successful petition triggers a cascade of steps that can lead to secession. But by ordering consultations so far upstream, Leonard is guaranteeing waste; obscene amounts of waste.
Jamie Sarkonak: When Indigenous rights come before your democratic rights — National Post
Alberta judge weaponizes duty to consult to kill separatist petitionapple.news
Timelines like that would be obstructive to democracy: putting a mere petition on hold to ensure that an ethnic minority can give its express-line input first would probably mean missing the referendum timeline set out in the legislation. Maybe that’s the point.
It wouldn’t be the first time; this is now a common cause of death for major projects in Canada. After the constitutionalization of Aboriginal and treaty rights in 1982, the courts sprouted the duty to consult, requiring the Crown — the executive, not the legislature — to meaningfully consult and accommodate Indigenous groups that might be impacted by government action. For example: the granting of pipeline approvals, the allocation of salmon quotas, the handing out of tree harvesting licences. What makes the duty to consult so brutal is that it’s a constantly moving target.
There isn’t a clear rubric setting out how it can be met — indeed, it depends on the scenario. Courts have also expected more over time. Aboriginal groups are able to use this uncertainty to launch lengthy challenges that stall approvals and sometimes kill projects completely. The duty to consult isn’t officially an Indigenous veto, but it certainly amounts to one when you consider the concessions it takes to bring Indigenous groups onside — and the years it takes to fight the holdouts in court.
With any luck, Manitoba and Northern BC will also join. The NDPee in BC treat everyone outside their power base about the same as liberals treat the west. If a free vote were held today, I bet most of Northern BC would join Alberta to create a strong new country.
I agree with you on the federal meddling being extremely stupid.
But separatism works in the Liberals' favor, and pouring gasoline on the fire is in their favor.
The Referendum will still fail, but there's your MAPLE MAGA, and they will have helped the Liberals.
And we will be fucked for at least three more years thanks to this utterly stupid move.
Alberta and Saskatchewan did not become provinces until 1905.
Prior to that, it was the Northwest Territories, and I believe that Battleford was the capital.
Prior to that, it was the Northwest Territories, and I believe that Battleford was the capital.
By the time you read this post, you might think I'm drinking. I apologize to PGs, and Taxslave, who I know aren't bad folks, but people who are disillusioned. And to both of you, I share that disillusion. When this debate gets personal, and I walk away, it makes me sort of ill, like physically. The personal side of it isn't healthy for anyone. So, I apologize for my comments in the previous posts.