Al-Qaeda warns Canada it will attack us like 911.

[QuestionEverything]

Canadians died in the September 11 attack. It is the responsibility of any government to protect it's citizens, regardless of where they were when it happened.

The September 11 attacks are not an isolated incident.

Of course it is the responsibility of a government to protect it's citizens. Should it avenge their deaths also? Sure, most folks have no problem with that premise. It gets shaky though when the 9/11 attacks were an inside job. Do you go after the US? You can't really. So as a politician you just play along, until the people wise up and tell you to stop. But I don't think you're going to see that anytime soon.

If they keep trying to scare us (think Orwell's Goldstein), then there is always the seed of doubt "gee, what if there really are terrorists?", or worse yet "what if these 9/11 clowns decide to blow some of us up if we don't go along" sort of thing. It's a lose/lose situation.

We will need a person of the stature of a Mohatmas Ghandi to stand up to these Americans and say, no, we are no longer playing along, and we will no longer sacrifice Canadian children to your deceitful invasions.

 

[Tonington]

Again I say, if the information is out there, it would have been in the best interest of the other greedy PR firm to bring it to light, and usurp. It surely by now would have been done, with Bush having an all time low approval raiting.

 

[blogbart]

ooogie boooogie man gonna get you sassie

For the nay sayers do you need more proof that Terrorism is alive and kicking in Canada. I guess we have these Islamic Fanatics on the run, cowards filthy vile cowards. We'll show them who is second rate crusaders.

Give it a rest sister.

The only terror alive and kicking is the that contained in your frantic headline.

You'd be wiser to focus on global warming, overfishing and the resurgence of bedbugs than your overhyped terrorism (with a capital T, no less!)

 

[wallyj]

Question everything? I will first question your intelligence.Why are you dismissing facts with opinion.9/11 was not an inside job,you <snip> .If you would actually watch and read everything without your <snip>mindset,you would come to the conclusion that this was an attack on the U.S. and yourself.If you are so sure that Bush and his cohorts did this atrocity,why are you still living in North America? Why don't you pack up and run to one of these oppressed countries and fight for your freedom there? Because you know that your ass would be reamed and you would be crying for the safety of Canada in a minute. I hope you are not in a position to influence others,if you ever spouted this crap to my kids I would <snip>.

 

[CDNBear]

Sorry, but you are wrong yet again. My very first posting in this thread was to point out what a joke the National Post is, and that it is not to be trusted as a source for anything except mis-info and/or propaganda. That was 100% on-topic.

Then Colpy started in on his X-files trip. Then I replied to The Prject Man's posting about the WTC buildings. So....sorry you are wrong on all counts, little buddy.

The war was not declared on NATO. The invasion was initiated by the US. It was planned long before 911, as you know. And if you don't know, then you are woefully misinformed as to why Canada is in there fighting as an American proxy, under the guise of a NATO exercise.

Kindly show me where Afghanistan declared war on NATO. Surely you can back up such a proclamation.

I'ld like to see some proof of this statement.

 

[CDNBear]

CDNBear,

First I do not view Afghanistan as a failed state. I view it as a nation with vastly different religious, cultural and societal ways which is at a considerably different stage in it's evolution to what we in the West are at. At one point the West was no better (think U.S.A.'s Wild West circa 1700's or Middle-Ages Europe). Eventually they will catch up but it's not for us to decide when or how.

Regarding the anti-US sentiments... I have found that when asked, a vast majority of folks direct that vitriol towards the administration of the day and the policies the U.S. as a nation subscribe to. It is not an indictment of the people living there as we in Canada are intelligent enough to realise they have virtually no say under the system they live in regardless of the fact a vote is taken.

I also do not believe we are subject to U.S. masters but will concede we are heavily influenced by their decisions. Liberal, NDP, Conservative or wotever... they are all influenced by the decisions of the U.S. but that is a topic for a different thread because each party is a 'pansy' to some extent depending on the topic.

I have never thought or stated that implementing Western ideologies on any other Nation was wise, or a valid course of action in any way shape or form. I have however, stated that democracy or a form of it, that best suits the Nation or any Nations needs, is what is best for it. So long as it comes up with it on their own and they do not infringe on other Nations(Yes i realise that the US fits that problem well, and I have said so many times).

But if a Nation harbours, protects, nurtures and or supports organizations or groups that actively attack other Nations in defacto declarations of war and refuses to change this course of action. Then the leaders of that state should be removed, by force if nesseccary. That is what has been done in Afghanistan.

As much as I believe there was an alterier motive for the actions taken against the Taliban, they by their own actins and the fault of their actions, represented a "Clear and Present Danger" (I love Tom Clancy)and left open the possiblity for further attcks, by their continuous refusal to hand over then ones that claimed responsable. Therefore, their Nation being an extention of the government is a legitimate target.
What constitutes a failed state?


The basic element is the lack of effective central government control over the totality of a state territory. And that can arise for a variety of reasons. Conflict is the most common. When the state descends into conflict, usually civil conflict, you often have large blocks of territory that are not controlled by the central government; maybe under rebel control, maybe under mixed control, or are simply anarchic. Another example might be a failed or weakened government where the central government is unable, for any number of reasons, from incompetence to corruption to lack of adequate institutions, to control effectively all of its territories.

 

[blogbart]

wallyj

I hope you are not in a position to influence others,if you ever spouted this crap to my kids I would hit you so hard your unborn grandchildren would be bruised.

Angry much? That is some serious rage there buddy. You'd better keep yourself away from children!

 

[Colpy]

Sorry, but you are wrong yet again. My very first posting in this thread was to point out what a joke the National Post is, and that it is not to be trusted as a source for anything except mis-info and/or propaganda. That was 100% on-topic.

Then Colpy started in on his X-files trip. Then I replied to The Prject Man's posting about the WTC buildings. So....sorry you are wrong on all counts, little buddy.

The war was not declared on NATO. The invasion was initiated by the US. It was planned long before 911, as you know. And if you don't know, then you are woefully misinformed as to why Canada is in there fighting as an American proxy, under the guise of a NATO exercise.

Kindly show me where Afghanistan declared war on NATO. Surely you can back up such a proclamation.

I used to like the Post, until they quit delivering in eastern Canada.....

Military planners plan battles without any indication those plans will be needed constantly......I bet the US has a contingency plan to invade Canada.....So What?

NOBODY has DECLARED war on ANYBODY since 1945.......I guess that means the world has been at peace for 60+ years, eh?

Geez!

The attack was planned, the people trained, and the organization responsible had its infrastructure
in Afghanistan...........that is reason enough.

 

[Tonington]

Does Jihad count as a declaration? I think it does.

 

[CDNBear]

Does Jihad count as a declaration? I think it does.

It doesn't really, but the act that took place on 9/11 was a clear declaration of war. If not with the WTC, then most definetly with the Penatgon, a clear military target.

 

[QuestionEverything]

Question everything? I will first question your intelligence.Why are you dismissing facts with opinion.9/11 was not an inside job,you <snip> .If you would actually watch and read everything without your <snip>mindset,you would come to the conclusion that this was an attack on the U.S. and yourself.If you are so sure that Bush and his cohorts did this atrocity,why are you still living in North America? Why don't you pack up and run to one of these oppressed countries and fight for your freedom there? Because you know that your ass would be reamed and you would be crying for the safety of Canada in a minute. I hope you are not in a position to influence others,if you ever spouted this crap to my kids I would <snip>.

A typical tactic of those led astray and/or too lazy to think for themselves, is to first label the messenger with some sort of negative baggage. This time it's me intelligence, next time who knows what.

I sincerely believe it is plain as the nose on your face that 9/11 was an inside job. There are just too many coincidences for it to have been otherwise. It is people like you that alow our governments to get away with all that they get away with now. Life is just too comfy and cozy for you, and therefore not worth the critical thought that you should be engaging in. Democracy is a full time endeavour, that is not served by laying back, allowing yourself to be spoonfed drivel, as thousands, if not millions, are dying around the world as a result of the actions of your government...while your vote and intentions get flushed down the toilet of government lies and corruption.

But hey, you get your SUV, your cushy job earning thousands every month, and your nice, safe schools. Why should you care if people of another skin colour get bombed everyday, shot at, blown up, jailed for no reason, and tortured. After all, they're not white like you, eh? Hell, if you can call them terrorists, then you even get to keep their oil. Bonus!

Your kids likely know much of this, and they laugh at you.

 

[QuestionEverything]

I'ld like to see some proof of this statement.

Countries were told even in mid-July 2001 that an attack on Afghansitan was imminent, even if Bin Laden was handed over....a full 2 months before the 911 inside job.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm

Sorry to burst your buble with a fact.

 

[Tonington]

That story doesn't mean anything. This is one of loose facts that become a "big" coincidence. The US was allready after Bin Laden for the bombing of the embassy in Africa, and the bombing of the USS Cole. In fact both Clinton and Bush had come unde rfire for not responding to the Cole with military action, furthermore, Bin Laden himself had expressed disappointment that they had not yet come after him.

 

[CDNBear]

Countries were told even in mid-July 2001 that an attack on Afghansitan was imminent, even if Bin Laden was handed over....a full 2 months before the 911 inside job.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm

Sorry to burst your buble with a fact.

A former Pakistani diplomats dog washers cousins uncles hair dresser is not a valuable source.

Sorry about the sarcasm, but that does not seem to be a completely valid source. A lot of politicians from that region have a personal agenda.

Oh you didn't burst my bubble hunny, that's hardly factual and I said it before you. http://forums.canadiancontent.net/history/50170-hunt-oil-manifest-destiny-new-millenium.html
I was thought you might have some real evidence, I was wrong.

 

[Cosmo]

If someone invades a country which has not attacked them then is there is anyone who can be surprised that there will be reprisals in one form or another? If Canada gets hit, we deserve it now.

Ya took the words right outta my fingers, Canucklehead. We went there first. If they retaliate now, we deserve it. Wasn't our fight till we started shooting their citizens.

Gawd save us from the powers that be.

 

[CDNBear]

Ya took the words right outta my fingers, Canucklehead. We went there first. If they retaliate now, we deserve it. Wasn't our fight till we started shooting their citizens.

Gawd save us from the powers that be.

You can not be serious!!!???

The cells in the US were trained in part and set up by an organization situated in and protected by the Taliban Government in Afghanistn. The act of 9/11 was a declaration of war and an act of war when th ePentagon was hit. The Taliban were ordered to turn over the people responsible and they turned their noses up at the request. By so doing, declaring a defacto state of war with NATO. If they had turned over the people involved, then they could have stood a better chance at maintaining power. If they had turned over the people involved, the world would have climbed up Bush's ass if he tried to invade Afghanistan.

Remember we do not opperate on if's and but's so please do not claim that the US would have invaded them anyways, if they had complied. There is no proof, there is no basis in fact, it would be conjecture and opinion only.

 

[Cosmo]

You can not be serious!!!???

The cells in the US were trained in part and set up by an organization situated in and protected by the Taliban Government in Afghanistn. The act of 9/11 was a declaration of war and an act of war when th ePentagon was hit. The Taliban were ordered to turn over the people responsible and they turned their noses up at the request. By so doing, declaring a defacto state of war with NATO. If they had turned over the people involved, then they could have stood a better chance at maintaining power. If they had turned over the people involved, the world would have climbed up Bush's ass if he tried to invade Afghanistan.

Remember we do not opperate on if's and but's so please do not claim that the US would have invaded them anyways, if they had complied. There is no proof, there is no basis in fact, it would be conjecture and opinion only.

I think the point is that it was Bush's problem, not Canada's. And ya, I'm serious.

 

[CDNBear]

I think the point is that it was Bush's problem, not Canada's. And ya, I'm serious.

That is a mere opinion, not based on fact.

If it is the problem of...


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Then by treaty, it is our problem.

That is a fact.

 

[QuestionEverything]

You can not be serious!!!???

The cells in the US were trained in part and set up by an organization situated in and protected by the Taliban Government in Afghanistn. The act of 9/11 was a declaration of war and an act of war when th ePentagon was hit. The Taliban were ordered to turn over the people responsible and they turned their noses up at the request. By so doing, declaring a defacto state of war with NATO. If they had turned over the people involved, then they could have stood a better chance at maintaining power. If they had turned over the people involved, the world would have climbed up Bush's ass if he tried to invade Afghanistan.

Remember we do not opperate on if's and but's so please do not claim that the US would have invaded them anyways, if they had complied. There is no proof, there is no basis in fact, it would be conjecture and opinion only.

"...the most outrageous conspiracy theory of all, namely that a cave dweller in Afghanistan and 19 Arabs with box cutters could defeat the multi-billion dollar U.S. Air Force and national defense establishment, not just once, but four times on a single day. "

 

[CDNBear]

"...the most outrageous conspiracy theory of all, namely that a cave dweller in Afghanistan and 19 Arabs with box cutters could defeat the multi-billion dollar U.S. Air Force and national defense establishment, not just once, but four times on a single day. "

4 times?

WTC 1

WTC 2

Pentagon 3

Surely the plane that was feld by none other then the embodiment of the American, no, the Human spirit is not what you are referring to as the 4th?