AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

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Calgary Herald Uses Royal Society Report as Soapbox to Preach Climate Change Denial

An editorial in the Calgary Herald praises the latest report from Britain's Royal Society entitled "Climate Change: A Summary of the Science". Though the Royal Society's report is anything but skeptical of the science of climate change and the tangible impacts it will have on populations, the Calgary Herald inappropriately cites the reputable organization's report in an effort to deny climate change and attack climate legislation that would hurt their bottom line.
In response to the misperceptions held by some media and members of the public about climate change (despite the overwhelming scientific consensus), the Royal Society produced a definitive guide to the science of climate change that summarizes the current scientific evidence on climate change. It highlights the areas where the science is well established, where there is still some room for further investigation to improve confidence, and where substantial uncertainties remain. Far from claiming that there is any lack of consensus that climate change is happening, the report demonstrates, in layman's terms, where the science is established, and where more scientific work is still needed. The report states that :
1. There is strong evidence that changes in greenhouse gas concentrations due to human activity are the dominant cause of the global warming that has taken place over the last half century. This warming trend is expected to continue, as are changes in precipitation over the long term in many regions. Further and more rapid increases in sea level are likely which will have profound implications for coastal communities and ecosystems.
2. It is not possible to determine exactly how much the Earth will warm or exactly how the climate will change in the future, but careful estimates of potential changes and associated uncertainties have been made. Scientists continue to work to narrow these areas of uncertainty. Uncertainty can work both ways, since the changes and their impacts may be either smaller or larger than those projected.

3. Like many important decisions, policy choices about climate change have to be made in the absence of perfect knowledge. Even if the remaining uncertainties were substantially resolved, the wide variety of interests, cultures and beliefs in society would make consensus about such choices difficult to achieve. However, the potential impacts of climate change are sufficiently serious that important decisions will need to be made. Climate science – including the substantial body of knowledge that is already well established, and the results of future research – is the essential basis for future climate projections and planning, and must be a vital component of public reasoning in this complex and challenging area.
In short, the Royal Society does not dispute that climate change is happening and is real. Despite not knowing how and how much the climate will change, the report makes a clear call to action that we respond to climate change.

The Calgary Herald editors do not seem to have read the same report as us, because they praise the report's author for a "refreshing departure from the strident, doom-and-gloom message that has characterized most scientific statements on global warming, which have been parroted by the Al Gores of the world thusly: humans are to blame, sea levels will rise and the end of the world is fast approaching." The op-ed suggests that the Royal Society is itself being skeptical in its report. In fact, it is anything but.
The Calgary Herald editorial chalks up a victory for climate change deniers, and takes quotations out of context in the Royal Society’s summary to suggest that the Royal Society has a skeptical view of climate change.
With that, they suggest that the Alberta government's $2 billion investment in carbon capture needs to be rethought, and that investments in climate change policy without “proof” should be thrown out. They also suggest that climate change is nothing but alarmism.
The Calgary Herald editors need to read the report more closely.
The fact remains that the climate is changing in real ways, and we must respond to it based on scientific evidence, not spin and political gamesmanship. Any delay could be devastating for the planet, for Canadians and all people around the world.
By sowing phrases like “insufficient understanding” and a lack of clarity together, the Calgary Herald is attempting to fool their readers into thinking there is not an overwhelming consensus about climate change, and that its nothing but alarmism. And that’s a problem.
 

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Calgary Herald Uses Royal Society Report as Soapbox to Preach Climate Change Denial


... But it's more than objective for the Climate Progress organization- that is billed by Time magazine as "The webs most influential climate-change blogger" to apply their own Op/Ed?

I suppose that you only apply that critical analysis for those groups that don't support your position.


PS - I love the stat they refer too that declares that:

"Here, we use an extensive dataset of 1,372 climate researchers and their publication and citation data to show that 1) 97-98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change"


Wow.. They developed and polled those climate researchers that already support AGW and came to such a high % consensus on the issue.

Interestingly enough, they didn't get 100%
 

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... But it's more than objective for the Climate Progress organization- that is billed by Time magazine as "The webs most influential climate-change blogger" to apply their own Op/Ed?

They actually posted the conclusions.

I suppose that you only apply that critical analysis for those groups that don't support your position.

Okay Mr. Pot.

PS - I love the stat they refer too that declares that:

"Here, we use an extensive dataset of 1,372 climate researchers and their publication and citation data to show that 1) 97-98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change"

It's never been 100%, in science it never is.

Wow.. They developed and polled those climate researchers that already support AGW and came to such a high % consensus on the issue.

Do you have trouble reading?

Interestingly enough, they didn't get 100%

You never will get 100%, difficult in science.

I posted this here because it's where the topic belongs.
 

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I'll agree with that.. You posted propaganda.

That's funny.

I posted an article that linked your op-ed, linked the report by the Royal Society and posted the conclusions of the report and you call it propoganda.

Your op-ed didn't link the report nor did it cite or link the actual conclusions and mine is propoganda?

I like you Captain.

Can I ask you something Avro?

Sure buddy...ask away.
 

petros

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What do your personal records say in regards to "climate change"? Surly you've been taking a complete set of readings several times a day. What do they say? Up or down?
 

petros

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Are you seriously going to bring in anecdotal evidence as an admissible argument now?
Maybe you can help me with a question too. Can you show me the data that verifies the submissions to the IPCC? Who does the verifying? How many groups review and duplicate the submitted data? Are they independant? IPCC appointed? Surly to **** there are several reports to back up the reports.

Show me please.
 

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Maybe you can help me with a question too. Can you show me the data that verifies the submissions to the IPCC? Who does the verifying? How many groups review and duplicate the submitted data? Are they independant? IPCC appointed? Surly to **** there are several reports to back up the reports.

Show me please.

Ah yes...it's a conspiracy.

Well there goes your crediblity.
 

petros

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Are you for real?
I am for real. I have hourly records. I even have records of "space weather" for the past 22 years. I can't be the only guy on here the needs to record and use this data. Don't you?
 

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Maybe you can help me with a question too. Can you show me the data that verifies the submissions to the IPCC? Who does the verifying? How many groups review and duplicate the submitted data? Are they independant? IPCC appointed? Surly to **** there are several reports to back up the reports.

Show me please.

Three principles governing the review should be borne in mind.

First, the best possible scientific and technical advice should be included so that the IPCC Reports represent the latest scientific, technical and socio-economic findings and are as comprehensive as possible.

Secondly, a wide circulation process, ensuring representation of independent experts ( i.e. experts not involved in the preparation of that particular chapter) from developing and developed countries and countries with economies in transition should aim to involve as many experts as possible in the IPCC process.

Thirdly, the review process should be objective, open and transparent.
To help ensure that Reports provide a balanced and complete assessment of current information, each Working Group/Task Force Bureau should normally select two Review Editors per chapter (including the executive summaries) and per technical summary of each Report.

Review Editors should normally consist of a member of the Working Group/Task Force Bureau, and an independent expert based on the lists provided by governments and participating organisations. Review Editors should not be involved in the preparation or review of material for which they are an editor. In selecting Review Editors, the Bureaux should select from developed and developing countries and from countries with economies in transition, and should aim for a balanced representation of scientific, technical, and socio-economic views.
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/ipcc-principles/ipcc-principles-appendix-a.pdf
 
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I am for real. I have hourly records. I even have records of "space weather" for the past 22 years. I can't be the only guy on here the needs to record and use this data. Don't you?

I have seen records recorded by environment Canada since recording began.

Does that help?

I'll see if I can get access to them, my sister is a geophysicist and department head at Environment Canada.

Unless you think she is part of the conspiracy?
 

petros

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That is not a personal observation. Since that is invalid what other personal proof can you bestow to the world that without a doubt proves global warming/climate change?


Where is the pudding?
 

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That is not a personal observation. Since that is invalid what other personal proof can you bestow to the world that without a doubt proves global warming/climate change?


Where is the pudding?

So she is part of it....thanks for clarifying.

Nice straw grasping btw.

If you'd like perhaps I could get you in to meet with some climate scientists.

Do you live near Toronto?
 
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petros

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What does your sis say about the really bizarre geophysical events in recent history?

Come on man.

If there is a serious earth destroying crisis then sure to **** you must be able to prove it through verifiable personal observation.

Lets hear it and discuss your observations openly and rationally.
 
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