Afghanistan passes barbaric law

[talloola]

To the contrary, I think the passing of this law is all the more reason for us, or
any progressive civilization to be present, as we are interested in helping those
who are less fortunate than ourselves, and being present in the country, and
showing the people who we are, and what we represent is a positive move in
helping them to do the same, if everyone ignored them, (and just trashed what
they do against their women and others,) just puts us in a position of arrogance,
and self righteousness, but not one of 'caring and action'.
All sorts of wrongs don't eventually make rights, all sorts of efforts to do the right
thing, eventually improves situations.

 

[gerryh]

I we ave to, let's build boys' schools. Once the boys are educated, then the next generation might be more tolerant of girls' schools. Besides, wasnt' that the evolutionary process for us too? Why are we expecting them to shoot forward into the 22nd century while our own laws discriminate against religion in Ontario?

Ya know..... if you weren't such an idiot, this would be funny, but instead, it's quite sad, that once again you are shooting off your mouth without the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

Boys in Afghanistan have always had the oportunity to get an education. "Schools" have always been available for boys to learn how to read and write. It's called a madrass, and they use the Koran as the tool for teaching, and here you are advocating that "WE" help them continue with this backward way of doing things and continue to ONLY teach boys.

Do some f*cking research sometime and get off the Ontario schools merry-go-round, comparing every backward country to what they are doing.:roll::lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

How can I disagree with that? Of course, education is the key. But as DurkaDurka pointed out, some Afghans have no interest in having children educated. Most likely the same Afghans who want to keep women in a state of servitude. It is these Afghans that must be fought and the passing of this law is one of their tactics.

I respectfully suggest that DurkaDurka was wrong, no Afghan parent wants anything but the best education for his/her children, they do not want a western education and for the best of reasons. What sane parent would want their children just as retarded as western educated folks. It would mean that someday (perish the thought) their neo-liberally educated spawn would pick up and decide to invade Canada for some cooked up crooked reason.

 

[karrie]

I say we issue refugee status to any unprotected slave in their country.... go in, and take anyone of their chattel that wants to leave.

Okay, but on a realistic note... I feel our country needs to at the very least declare that we see such laws as slavery of the worst kind.

 

[Machjo]

I say we issue refugee status to any unprotected slave in their country.... go in, and take anyone of their chattel that wants to leave.

Okay, but on a realistic note... I feel our country needs to at the very least declare that we see such laws as slavery of the worst kind.

Actually, I wouldn't be opposed to allowing more refugees in from Afghanistan.

Also, I think it reasonable that we provide more education funding to Afghanistan, as long as it confroms with the International Declaration of Human rights, meaning no money going towards teaching hate, etc.

 

[Machjo]

Ya know..... if you weren't such an idiot, this would be funny, but instead, it's quite sad, that once again you are shooting off your mouth without the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

Boys in Afghanistan have always had the oportunity to get an education. "Schools" have always been available for boys to learn how to read and write. It's called a madrass, and they use the Koran as the tool for teaching, and here you are advocating that "WE" help them continue with this backward way of doing things and continue to ONLY teach boys.

Do some f*cking research sometime and get off the Ontario schools merry-go-round, comparing every backward country to what they are doing.:roll::lol:

Sweet-tongued as usual I see.

Of course I'd support placing restrictions on such funding to promote gradual advancement.

 

[gerryh]

Sweet-tongued as usual I see.

Of course I'd support placing restrictions on such funding to promote gradual advancement.

You advocated building schools for JUST boys...... which would continue with the way the Taliban was doing things. No school for girls, only school for boys.

 

[darkbeaver]

If someone were arrogantly conducting a colonial occupation complete with periodic murder and wanton distruction of public and private property I would be disinclined to mimic the pricks in anyway except the violence.

 

[Machjo]

You advocated building schools for JUST boys...... which would continue with the way the Taliban was doing things. No school for girls, only school for boys.

Not exactly. I was suggesting looking for a path of least resistance. THis could mean building schools for boys but with a curriculum forcussed on teaching respect for girls, thus allowing a gradual shift in attitudes. Of course where politically and militarily feasible, let's build schols for girls too, but not expand to the degree where we're unable to ensure their safety.

To be fair, I get the impression that we've improved on that front, with the US having stepped up its presence to be able to defend girls' schools. But not long ago, girls were getting killed going to school. Perhaps the development of those schools had outstrippe our ability to defend them.

Again, it appears we've learnt from that I hope. But as for this issue with the rape law, unless we can enforce it, let's look at what we can change, not what we can't.

 

[AnnaG]

No-one's country can change overnight, however, it would be prudent to consider other countries' pasts and avoid making the same mistakjes they did.
China wasn't smart enough to but then Chinese gov't and business are too arrogant to think anyone else has good ideas. Afghanistan building would like building from paleolithic times. Almost completely raw material. I think education is the key. It's working in Iran. Eventually kids there will have their way whether Amamadjihad and the ayatollahs like it or not.
The law is insane.

 

[darkbeaver]

Most paleolithic structures are very much more thermally and structurally efficient than modern frame houses found moldering by the millions in the west. Children will never have their way.

 

[AnnaG]

Most paleolithic structures are very much more thermally and structurally efficient than modern frame houses found moldering by the millions in the west. Children will never have their way.

Paleolithic structures = caves. Not all caves are structurally sound. But, I meant paloelithic as in attitude, not physical characteristics. I guess you missed that. No children will not have their way, however, they do grow up and morph things to their way. Society there will change, just as it is changing in Iran.

 

[talloola]

Paleolithic structures = caves. Not all caves are structurally sound. But, I meant paloelithic as in attitude, not physical characteristics. I guess you missed that. No children will not have their way, however, they do grow up and morph things to their way. Society there will change, just as it is changing in Iran.

Yes, I agree, I have a frig magnet that says 'Every Living Thing has the Desire to
be Free', it is inborn in us, as in animals, we will struggle and fight for freedom.
Our presence in afghanistan is also a struggle, but construction is happening,
and schools are being built, and, as you say, change takes generations, and that
is OK, and natural, but with 'no one' else there but themselves, they will take
longer, as they will have no one but each other. We can make a positive
influence there, and we will not bomb anything, if not bombed first, 'by the
taliban', we have to defend outselves, and also afghanistan will not advance
toward freedom under the rule of the taliban, it is bad enough that they
have 'stupid' unfair laws without the taliban, but with the taliban they will
slide backward into a life that existed in many parts of the world thousands
of years ago.
Our lives are 'free', but we are smothered by the corporate community and
governments run by corporations, BUT, we have the power to change that,
we just don't want to be bothered, just note how few people vote, or even
take any interest in how our country is managed. ITS OUR PEOPLE' WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR FAILURES, we have the power to change it, but we won't.