Afghan mission extension question -MPS voting today

Karlin

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There are only 57 Canadian troops left to do United Nations missions. A few years ago we had 2600+-, before Harper became PM.

One busload to do the worlds peackeeping duty for Canada, but 2600 in Afghanistan fighting a war that is not well defined, fighting an enemy we call the Taliban but who has no nation to call home, and who may or may not be a threat to Canada.
{seen any good bombs lately in Canada?]

If the Afghan mission is being done "to protect Canadians", its an utter sham. No terrorist attacks from the Taliban have EVER occured in Canada, and only vague referances from uncertain sources that mention Canada being on a list of nations the Taliban is not happy with.

But no plans for attacks In Canada, and no attacks.

Maybe we should wait for at least one or two "Taliban terrorist events" here in Canada to occur before we declare war. The USA made this same mistake, and now Harper wants to follow them....

What is Harper's real motivation in changing Canadians Peacekeepers to soldiers fighting America's enemies? To show solidarity with the USA? Or worse?
Not exactly to show solidarity, but more like Harper has been "threatened or tempted" by BushCo and his Corporate Military Industrial and Banking Globalists to get Harper to join them in their domination and occupation of all the OIL bearing Islamic nations.

Most Canadians would feel more pride if our troops were saving millions of lives in Darfur. And we might feel more secure if we were not stirring up the hornet's nest, giving them the first REAL excuse to label Canada an offensive nation.

The Afghan conflict can only serve to RAISE tensions between the Taliban and Canada. There could be other Arab and Islamic nations that become our enemy over this action too. In Afghanistan, we are not so sure about who we are killing and to what end, why.

The muddy waters of "anywhere America is invading foreign nations who have oil" are not clear enough for this Canadian's eyes.
I, for one, am encouraging my MP to vote NO to extending the Afghan mission {Darfur or not}.


Karlin

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Quote on Peackeeping ending:

It was announced this year by a Canadian General , without debate or discussion , that "Canada is no longer a peacekeeping nation, those days are gone".
I wonder what authority he spoke with, who told him to spread this propaganda that was intended to get Canadians to just go along with ending our proud days as peacekeepers. When we hear "its done, those days are long gone", we tend to accept it because it was said with such an air of authority, by a uniformed General.
But there was/is no real authority until Canadians and their leaders says so. We never had that discussion, and we see the first Harper Fascism Dictator Pose being struck with this ploy.
 

BitWhys

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I think the rats are running the ship over at the DND.

Steve has to drag around 1 vote in 5 out of the Liberals by 9:15

Duceppe figured out you can support our troops without supporting their deployment. Clever fellow.
 

Mogz

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Most Canadians would feel more pride if our troops were saving millions of lives in Darfur. And we might feel more secure if we were not stirring up the hornet's nest, giving them the first REAL excuse to label Canada an offensive nation.

Most of your post was tripe i've answered to several times before so i'm just passing it by, with exception to you blaming Harper on our scaling back of U.N. Missions. That was the Liberals, just some FYI. No really, it wasn't Harper, he hasn't touched any missions since he's been in Office, and that includes Afghanistan, that was all done by the Liberals. Kindly remove head from ass.

As for what I quoted above. I think someone else on these forums put it best: "Why should we leave a nation where we're trying to stop Muslims from killing Muslims, to head to another region where we'll try to stop Muslims from killing Muslims?". Contrary to what you think, we're saving lives in Afghanistan, and in the process defending our own nation. If you can't see that, that's your sad problem. Yes we've never been attacked directly, then again Germany never attacked us either, yet we went to War with them for 6 long years. Easy to ignore the past when you're grasping at straws to make a point hey? Oh well, it's all moot considering you, and people like you, seem unable to face reality. We could get every Afghan to vote on whether they wanted Canada to be there, it could be a landslide "yes", and you and your ilk would still find something else to bitch about. Free speech is such a charm :).
 

Johnny Utah

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Re: RE: Afghan mission extension question -MPS voting today

Mogz said:
Most Canadians would feel more pride if our troops were saving millions of lives in Darfur. And we might feel more secure if we were not stirring up the hornet's nest, giving them the first REAL excuse to label Canada an offensive nation.

Most of your post was tripe i've answered to several times before so i'm just passing it by, with exception to you blaming Harper on our scaling back of U.N. Missions. That was the Liberals, just some FYI. No really, it wasn't Harper, he hasn't touched any missions since he's been in Office, and that includes Afghanistan, that was all done by the Liberals. Kindly remove head from ass.

As for what I quoted above. I think someone else on these forums put it best: "Why should we leave a nation where we're trying to stop Muslims from killing Muslims, to head to another region where we'll try to stop Muslims from killing Muslims?". Contrary to what you think, we're saving lives in Afghanistan, and in the process defending our own nation. If you can't see that, that's your sad problem. Yes we've never been attacked directly, then again Germany never attacked us either, yet we went to War with them for 6 long years. Easy to ignore the past when you're grasping at straws to make a point hey? Oh well, it's all moot considering you, and people like you, seem unable to face reality. We could get every Afghan to vote on whether they wanted Canada to be there, it could be a landslide "yes", and you and your ilk would still find something else to bitch about. Free speech is such a charm :).
The Belly Achers who want Canada to leave Afghanistan for Darfur are UN Lovers because Darfur would be a UN Mission as Afghanistan isn't being a NATO Mission..

Canada is part of a Mission in Afghanistan making a difference. An example would be we have not seen public executions of women by the Taliban anymore..

If these Belly Achers such as the NDP get their way Canada would leave Afghanistan for Darfur next week, they also seem to think there wouldn't be any danger to Canadian Soldiers there..
:roll:
 

Karlin

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Re: RE: Afghan mission extension question -MPS voting today

Mogz said:
Most Canadians would feel more pride if our troops were saving millions of lives in Darfur. And we might feel more secure if we were not stirring up the hornet's nest, giving them the first REAL excuse to label Canada an offensive nation.

Kindly remove head from ass.

"Why should we leave a nation where we're trying to stop Muslims from killing Muslims, to head to another region where we'll try to stop Muslims from killing Muslims?".

K - cuz in Afghanistan, it is about OIl

And as for name calling, the " Kindly remove head from ass" kind of thing, when you resort to that, it is because you have nothing concrete to offer as critisism to my point.

Others here agree with me. There is no basis for insult.

Please try to see whats behind the story before whacking people.

You did not say anything about Afghanistan, just about me. So tell us, why are we there , and why not follow the advice of a MAJORITY of Canadians, apparently with their heads up their asses, who say exactly what I am saying, that Darfur is a better place to be.
 

BitWhys

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why should we write ISAF a blank cheque

In the months ahead, NATO’s International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) will deploy thousands more troops to Afghanistan as part of its ongoing mission to “support the Government of Afghanistan in providing and maintaining a secure environment in order to facilitate the re-building of Afghanistan.” Troop levels are expected to rise from about 8,000 in January to 17,000 by the end of October. The expansion, known as Stage III, will be responsible for maintaining security in the troubled southern provinces, where most violent attacks against foreign and domestic forces have taken place. NATO’s commander, U.S. Gen. James L. Jones said ISAF could total as many as 25,000 troops eventually. British, Dutch and Canadian forces will be leading the effort to bring peace to Afghanistan through both civilian and military methods. Troops will be engaged in peacekeeping, reconstruction and, in all likelihood, open conflict – an effort Jones called “NATO’s most ambitious operation.” Despite a lack of popular support for the missions in all three of the main troop-contributing countries, international leaders have pledged to safeguard Afghanistan from both internal and external forces that would otherwise lead the country into chaos.

The expansion of NATO into the volatile southern regions of Afghanistan comes at a time when the United States is struggling to maintain its overseas campaigns. Increasing costs, both financially and in terms of human lives, have jelled popular discontent with the war in Iraq and cast doubt on Washington’s ability to balance the “war on terror” with other pressing security needs. The U.S. force in Afghanistan will be drawn down from 19,000 to 16,500 this year, although both military and civilian leaders have promised an American presence in the country for years to come.

What ISAF faces in Afghanistan is unclear. Hard-core remnants from the Taliban regime, as well as from al-Qaida, have stepped up attacks against military and civilian targets, such as schoolchildren, foreign travelers, police posts and military convoys. As in Iraq, improvised explosive devices and suicide attacks have been particularly effective, and have been on the rise. Suicide attacks, formerly rare in Afghanistan, have risen from five in 2002-2004 to 17 in 2005 and 14 in 2006. In addition, a bumper poppy crop has bolstered the illicit economy, based on opium exports to Europe and America, and damaged legitimate reconstruction efforts. The poppy-growing season also coincides with the stepped-up propaganda campaign of rebel leaders. In March, for example, Mullah Mohammed Omar, the former head of the Taliban, promised “unimaginable” violence for Afghanistan if the foreign troops were not expelled. A senior U.S. military commander said he expected a “fairly violent” summer.

The ISAF expansion is being drawn mostly from Canada, the Netherlands, the UK and Australia. Troop levels are expected to double in the period from July to October, and the soldiers deployed will accordingly enforce Afghanistan’s security against rebels in the southern regions – in what is known as “Stage III” (see "ISAF Deployment" map).

The first two stages covered the northern and western parts of the country, which have not experienced the same levels of violence as the regions bordering Pakistan. Stage III – which covers the provinces of Kandahar, Helmand, Uruzgan, Nimroz, Day Kundi and Zabul – has been designed to prevent an increasingly dynamic insurgent movement from disrupting the development of Afghanistan’s nascent political and economic structure.

Although ISAF has been less willing to engage in combat missions and counterterrorism than the U.S.-led Operation Enduring Freedom, it is unlikely that troops will be deployed to the southern provinces without the authority to search for and engage insurgents. The focus on providing security for the Provincial Reconstruction Teams (PRTs) is unlikely to endure without a significant offensive capability.

Established to help promote public and private sector reconstruction, PRTs have been a cornerstone of U.S. and NATO policy in Afghanistan. The teams, numbering between 100 and 200 civilian and military specialists, initiate reconstruction projects around the country – such as building roads, schools, sanitation systems, and so on. The civilians involved are typically engineers, mechanics and other specialists, while military members are responsible for guaranteeing immediate and long-term security requirements. The PRTs promote a dynamic decision-making process, as representatives from relevant countries are encouraged to monitor and contribute to reconstruction efforts. PRTs are directed on a country-by-country basis.

The burden of expanding ISAF rests on Canada, Australia, the Netherlands and the UK. Canada already has about 2,300 troops in Afghanistan, most of them in Kandahar province. Multi National Brigade (MNB) forces, originally stationed in Kabul as part of Stage I, have been almost entirely transferred to Kandahar as peacekeepers and as support for incoming ISAF troops (only several dozen Canadian troops remain in the capital). Kabul has, for the most part, been brought under the control of Afghan forces. Canada’s troops in Kandahar and the surrounding region are currently in command of the MNB in Kandahar.

According to the Canadian Ministry of Defense, Canada’s force includes 125 Canadian Force (CF) members with the Multi-National Brigade Headquarters (MNBHQ) in Kandahar. In total, there are 250 personnel from Australia, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Romania, Netherlands, the UK, and the United States stationed with the MNBHQ. The force also includes a battle group of about 1,000 members in Kandahar, primarily from the 1st Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. A small cadre of CF instructors is involved in the training of the Afghan National Army Staff at the Canadian Afghan National Training Centre Detachment in Kabul.

The Dutch force in Afghanistan will number 1,800 by October. Despite a rancorous parliamentary debate over the commitment, the government of the Netherlands overwhelmingly approved the deployment, which will begin sometime in July.

Meanwhile, on May 4, the UK formally assumed control of ISAF in a ceremony transferring command from Italy’s Lt. Gen. Mauro del Vecchio to Lt. Gen. David Richards. The UK’s 3,300-troop contribution to ISAF – in addition to troops already stationed in the north – is expected to have “full combat potential” by the end of July, bringing the total British force to 5,700.

Some U.S. military leaders have admitted that Stage III of ISAF’s mission in Afghanistan will likely involve some of the fiercest fighting yet witnessed in Afghanistan, in part because insurgent forces have been allowed to grow in strength as well as numbers in the south. The security situation has generally deteriorated and there has been an upsurge in suicide bombings, attacks on schools, roadside bombings and other violent assaults on high-level figures and military targets (see CDI’s “Afghan Updates” for specific cases and trends). In a traditional sense, the MNB is winning: it has control over the major cities, it has overwhelming air and ground superiority, and it has suffered few casualties. Yet the country’s tribal structure arguably affects identities, allegiances and interests in a way that impedes effective control over the entire territory. The central government, though strong in some parts, suffers from a serious lack of credibility in remote provinces. And although the economy has begun to grow in some sectors, living standards remain abysmal, the illicit economy is thriving and reforms have been slow to take hold in anything but the major cities. The expanding presence of rebels in the south indicates major security threats are still far from contained.

The arrival of more ISAF troops is expected to ease the burden on U.S. soldiers. So far, Canada has not suffered nearly as many losses as the United States, and its troops are more often patrolling the streets and offering “assistance” to local authorities than engaging in open conflict with an identifiable enemy. Yet any foreign soldiers remain targets, as fighters from other parts of the Arab world are reportedly traveling to Afghanistan to expel what they consider to be hostile foreign powers occupying Islamic lands. One provincial governor said his forces detained an insurgent traveling from Iraq who claimed thousands more were en route.

The pullout of about 2,500 American troops from the southern region would seem to run contrary to the worsening security situation there. Operation Enduring Freedom has primary responsibility for counterinsurgency and counterterrorism operations. ISAF, on the other hand, is a peacekeeping force that, according to NATO spokeswoman Sue Eagles, “will not carry out counterterrorism operations.” In a fighting season expected to be particularly harsh, the replacement of combat troops with peacekeeping troops might appear an odd choice of timing. The missions of ISAF and OEF may contain overlaps in terms of overall goals, but their core operations have major differences. OEF consists of soldiers trained in offensive counterterrorism tactics, and is primarily responsible for rooting out the “enemies of Afghanistan” – Taliban loyalists and what is left of al Qaida. The role of ISAF is to “support the government of Afghanistan, to extend security and stability and the rule of good governance and the rule of law,” according to Eagles. It is possible that the effort to achieve parliamentary support for the new ISAF deployments required the promise of an easy and bloodless mission. However, the transition back and forth between high-combat peace enforcement and lower-combat peacekeeping is seldom as smooth or easy as Eagle’s comments imply.

It is difficult to say that ISAF troops are not in a combat role, yet it is also inaccurate that they only engage in open conflict. On one hand, they patrol streets, help distribute aid, advise the central government and try to suppress the booming drug trade. On the other, they man checkpoints, operate tanks and other heavy machinery, and train Afghan soldiers. Canada’s secretive Joint Task Force Two, a counterterrorism unit, participates in the fighting, which indicates Canada’s military policy includes an offensive posture towards insurgents. Indeed, Lt. Gen. Richards said he “will not hesitate to use appropriate measures against those disruptive elements opposed to democracy and the rule of law in Afghanistan.” Any forces engaged in “security enhancing” must be prepared for open conflict, whereas “peacekeeping” represents something between combat and police-type work. The U.S. military, meanwhile, has been reluctant to engage in an all-out counter-insurgency in the southern region because of strategic and tactical disadvantages such as unfamiliarity with the terrain, limited intelligence capabilities, the insurgent practice of blending with the population and, most importantly, the difficulty of engaging the enemy across the border with Pakistan. If ISAF forces decide to “protect” the PRTs without the willingness to act pre-emptively against militants, both military and civilian efforts to bring real, broad-based stability to the southern regions will be severely hampered.

Recent reports in The New York Times indicated that the Taliban is growing in strength in the southern provinces of Afghanistan – particularly Helmand, Kandahar, Uruzgan, Zabul, Ghazni and Paktika. “Large groups of Taliban” are said to be moving freely throughout the countryside, the first sign that the summer fighting season has begun. This trend comes just as more ISAF forces are arriving in the country. An American general claimed recently that he anticipates more fighting in the months ahead. Whether the fighting will actually lead to increased security – or the rooting out of terrorists – is anyone’s guess. In any case, militants roaming throughout the provinces and a booming illicit economy threaten to undermine Afghanistan’s delicate peace – such as it is. Only the most committed military force will be able to keep Afghanistan on track towards military and economic independence. In this sense, NATO is indeed facing one of its most challenging and ambitious missions to date.
 

Johnny Utah

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Karlin said:
Kindly remove head from ass.

"Why should we leave a nation where we're trying to stop Muslims from killing Muslims, to head to another region where we'll try to stop Muslims from killing Muslims?".

K - cuz in Afghanistan, it is about OIl

And as for name calling, the " Kindly remove head from ass" kind of thing, when you resort to that, it is because you have nothing concrete to offer as critisism to my point.

Others here agree with me. There is no basis for insult.

Please try to see whats behind the story before whacking people.

You did not say anything about Afghanistan, just about me. So tell us, why are we there , and why not follow the advice of a MAJORITY of Canadians, apparently with their heads up their asses, who say exactly what I am saying, that Darfur is a better place to be.
What makes Darfur more important then Afghanistan?

What happens if the Canadian Military starts taking casualties in Darfur? How soon till people like yourself start saying Canada shouldn't be in Darfur?
:confused1: :confused2:
 

mabudon

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RE: Afghan mission extens

Oh, this just keeps getting better and better-
SO we get to stay there indefinitely AND get the "honourable" position of having the US ass-kicking forces pull out to try and staunch the sucking chest-wound they've given themselves in Iraq while WE get to take COMMAND of the TOUGHEST part of the COMBAT mission?!?!?!?

Holy cow..... SO if what BitWhys just posted is TRUE (and I have very little reason to believe it is NOT) then.... all the reports about things getting "better" in Afghanistan was because the US stayed the HELL away from areas where, apparently, it was getting a hell of a lot worse...

and if we only have one busload of people left, as Karlin stated (GOOD post by the way, I would just copy and paste it and say "ditto" but that ain't my style, but I am pretty much in agreement) while things are about to get a HELL of a lot worse, well, seems we're in a bit of a pickle...

IF there's any semblance of a draft coming up (and Harpers glassy eyes hold the promose of such things and more) then THIS Canadian might just have to start fighting "the war at home" to DEFEND our FREEDOMS as citizens of what until recently was my beloved Country
 

Em

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Um, perhaps you should post some kind of citation about this "draft" you are worried about. Until you do, I am going to dismiss this comment as a steaming pile of ...

Anyway, I dunno, I read the article and I thought it was more supportive of Canadian troops being thera than the other way around. What you don't think Canadians can handle it without the big bad American butt-kickers? Pfah ... with the military enhancements on the way from Harper's government, our boys just might get more and better equipment, in addition to the extra personnel. I think Canada's mission over there is in for a boost.

{sigh} ... why do I feel like I am talking to a post?

And yeah, how is Darfur any more important than Afghanistan???
 

Jay

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Em said:
Um, perhaps you should post some kind of citation about this "draft" you are worried about. Until you do, I am going to dismiss this comment as a steaming pile of ...

It's their job to make things up. We wouldn't want to them to be unemployed now would we?
 

mabudon

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Hey, in case you didn't notice, the "statement" was attributed to "mabudon" and that's ME turkey, not a referenced post and not a quote from a news organization and not ANYWHERES else but I did the quick math and figured that our current contingent PLUS one more busload of troops MINUS 2500 US troops (times) going into an even more dangerous segment of our "mission" equals WE'RE gonna need more troops from SOMEWHERES and since the whole thing keeps getting framed as "homeland defence" I figure well, likely these fresh tropps will be from Canada, and if most folks aren't supportive, coercion might be necessary

Nice way to try to tell the whole forum that my OPINION is worthless since YOURS is right.


And why is Darfur more important (since your post WAS directed at me and I was not directing anything your way, I'm replying as a bonus)

Here's a clue- do a search of my posts, looking for "Darfur" and you will see how much I've railed on about this. Ohh I'm gonna go back and put my OPINION under a rock in the backyard since the OPINION of a faceless person on the internet has rendered it useless...

Learn how to have a conversation and SHAME on you Jay for using one of them cheap-ass "these people" lines in reference to me I am THIS person and no other

Oh and the Liberals are giving their party freedom to vote however, good thing for little Stevie that this vote is non-binding (as I expect every vote pertaining to this mess wil be from now til the next election)
 

Jay

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Learn how to have a conversation and SHAME on you Jay for using one of them cheap-ass "these people" lines in reference to me I am THIS person and no other

Sorry, it isn't just you though.

IF there's any semblance of a draft coming up (and Harpers glassy eyes hold the promose of such things and more) then THIS Canadian might just have to start fighting "the war at home" to DEFEND our FREEDOMS as citizens of what until recently was my beloved Country


The fight is already on for freedom.
 

Mogz

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K - cuz in Afghanistan, it is about OIl

Prove it. I'm not going to get in to this and waste my time on you. Prove to me, someone who's been to Afghanistan and done the work my Government sent me to do, that Afghanistan is about oil. Prove it.

And as for name calling, the " Kindly remove head from ass" kind of thing, when you resort to that, it is because you have nothing concrete to offer as critisism to my point.

I didn't call you a name, I told you to get your head out of your ass. Big difference. As for me "not having nothing conrete to offer", what about this, which I posted above my suggestion you remove your head from said hole:

exception to you blaming Harper on our scaling back of U.N. Missions. That was the Liberals, just some FYI. No really, it wasn't Harper, he hasn't touched any missions since he's been in Office, and that includes Afghanistan, that was all done by the Liberals. Kindly remove head from ass.

So I reiterate, remove your head.

You did not say anything about Afghanistan, just about me. So tell us, why are we there , and why not follow the advice of a MAJORITY of Canadians, apparently with their heads up their asses, who say exactly what I am saying, that Darfur is a better place to be.

You want to know why Canada is in Afghanistan? Here's an idea, go back and do a search on these forums for author: Mogz, tex: Afghanistan. You'll find dozens of posts by me as to why we're there. I'm not reiterating my points over and over. Sharing what I did for almost 8 months, over and over. Only to have you, the exact same person who asked why we're there to come back to me in another thread, next week, and ask the same question. It happens all the time on these forums. I stand up, tell people why I went to Afghanistan, what I did while I was there, and what I thought of it. Then within days the same question is asked of me, and/or i'm told I don't know what i'm talking about. So you know what, believe what you want, think we're in Afghanistan raping babies and plundering barrels of oil, that doesn't make it true. With regard to Darfur, why is it so much better? You do realize that under a U.N. mandate we'd be heavily constricted as to what we could do. In fact, as U.N. Peacekeepers we cannot stop the fighting. So if some guys want to butcher his wife in front of a U.N. Canadian Patrol, there is nothing we can do. Now this is the part where you, or some other clown, argues with me about U.N. rules of engagement like you know better. So lets here it, why is Darfur better, when we can't defend the people, than Afghanistan, where we CAN defend the people.
 

Jersay

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This is a stupid topic.

Most leftists in this forum have information that is misdirected and incorrect.

And you right wingers are wrong because you are just wrong especially the one that wants use to kiss America's ass. JU!

So both sides are wrong and I am right.
 

Johnny Utah

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Jersay said:
This is a stupid topic.

Most leftists in this forum have information that is misdirected and incorrect.

And you right wingers are wrong because you are just wrong especially the one that wants use to kiss America's ass. JU!

So both sides are wrong and I am right.
JU!? Hmm is that a personal shot at me? :lol:

I don't want Canada to remain in Afghanistan to kiss the United States Ass, I want Canada to remain there because they are helping make a difference in the lives of the Afghanis. As for you thinking you're right, Bollocks!
:bs: :tard:
 

Johnny Utah

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Jersay said:
Nope, I am right. You and sadly the lefties on the board are all wrong. :D
How am I wrong? I support Canada's Mission in Afghanistan, the Lefties do not.. :D
 

Karlin

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Ya but today the news tells us that Islamic fighters [they didn't say Taliban] were "coming over the border from Pakistan" into Afghanistan.
That means our soliders will be fighting an inexaustable supply of fighters on a religious mission where they see their lives are not so important. This gives them an edge, no matter how well trained our soldiers are.

Can we say QUAGMIRE?
Canada would not WANT our soldiers to have so little importance to their own lives, so in this war they will always be at a disadvantage.
This is another war will never end and could escalate into a basic killing fields.


JERSAYsays:
"Nope, I am right. You and sadly the lefties on the board are all wrong. "

K - we can all just say that, it doesn't make it true.
When we use it, it indicates nothing left to argue with, out of ideas and rebuttals, you've lost the round. Same is true with trickery , bullying, domination, and fancy words...
for eg. Idiotic is a nasty thing to say about someone, so lets not descend to that ok?
{see? you can tell I mean you JERSAY. But its trickey cuz I didn't say it directly. No wonder you righties don't trust us others, we are all a bit too smart compared to you.
{see? its not going to do anything but make people angry to use the tactics of the Elite corporate mil-ind. complex of religious righty wanker-brainwashed nimble-thingys like name calling.
 

Jay

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There are only 57 Canadian troops left to do United Nations missions. A few years ago we had 2600+-, before Harper became PM.

So this is something Harper did?
 

Johnny Utah

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Jay said:
There are only 57 Canadian troops left to do United Nations missions. A few years ago we had 2600+-, before Harper became PM.

So this is something Harper did?
Jay, everything is Harper's fault just like everything is Bush's fault.. :lol: