Aboriginal workers could ease labour shortage but need education and experience: Repo

[dumpthemonarchy]

Why would taxpayers in Canada, with one of the best education systems in the world give money to corrupt aboriginal bureaucrats to run their own education system? $500 million? On top of the $1.5 billion already spent? I didn't know this. I'm already crying.

This money will do little to ease any labour shortage, it will create an excess of bureaucrats and training course. Proof positive the Aboriginal Industry works on all parties who ensure your money goes into a rathole.
Correction, plenty of ratholes. They can join provincial education systems that work fine, but no, they need their own.

You know, independent schools in BC in the 20th century got far less money than public schools for decades and still turned out pretty good students who can join the modern capitalist economy. Premier Glen Clark of BC went to one. That's because most were in cities and grads expected to join the mainstream. Aboriginal bands believe they are nations and will want ever more bogus sovereignty and we pay them not to join the mainstram. We'll find out a few decades later, and a few dozen billion dollars later how bad this plan turns out.



Aboriginal workers could ease labour shortage but need education and experience: Report | Canada | News | Toronto Sun



Aboriginal workers could ease labour shortage but need education and experience: Report

BY KRISTY KIRKUP

PARLIAMENTARY BUREAU

FIRST POSTED: WEDNESDAY, JULY 11, 2012 04:34 PM EDT | UPDATED: THURSDAY, JULY 12, 2012 11:43 AM EDT

National Grand Chief Shawn Atleo meets with Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Ottawa on December 1, 2011. (ANDRE FORGET/QMI Agency)




OTTAWA - Aboriginal workers could help labour shortages for Canadian business but poor education and lack of job experience hinder their success, according to a new report.

The Conference Board of Canada (CBOC) issued a report Wednesday suggesting policy-makers would be economically wise to improve educational outcomes for First Nations people.

"Soon, Canada will not have enough workers with the right skills to meet its labour needs," CBOC research associate Alison Howard said. "The aboriginal population, including Inuit, Metis, and First Nations, is the fastest-growing cohort in Canada, but it is underrepresented in the labour force compared to the non-aboriginal population."

The NDP's aboriginal critic said the feds know enormous issues plague the First Nations education system but action isn't happening fast enough.

Statistics Canada data from 2006 suggests 34% of aboriginals aged 25 to 64 had not completed high school.

"You actually can't start talking about high school graduation unless you talk about what is happening from kindergarten to, say, Grade 8," Crowder said. "If you actually don't get the kids earlier ... they're dropping out as soon as they can."

A recent Senate committee report called for a complete overhaul of First Nations education, citing that it operates in "crisis."

A national joint panel commissioned by the feds and the Assembly of First Nations also highlighted the funding gap between provincial and reserve schools.

The federal government, which has committed to crafting a First Nations Education Act by 2014, maintains it is on the right course. The Tories spend $1.5 billion a year on First nations education and recently announced $275 million in new spending in the 2012 budget.

"As the Canadian labour market tightens and the natural resource sectors expand, we have a unique opportunity for an educated, skilled aboriginal population to become full participants in all that Canada's vibrant economy has to offer," Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan said in a statement.

"Our government is seizing this opportunity by making significant investments in First Nations education; from building 37 new schools and carrying out major renovations in dozens more, to working in partnership with the provinces and First Nations across the country."

AFN National Chief Shawn Atleo said the federal commitment needs to go further, citing that $500 million a year is needed to bring First Nations schools up to provincial standards.

 

[CDNBear]

This money will do little to ease any labour shortage, it will create an excess of bureaucrats and training course.

Future tense.

Proof positive the Aboriginal Industry works on all parties who ensure your money goes into a rathole.

Followed by a past tense condemnation.

They can join provincial education systems that work fine, but no, they need their own.

You do understand the difference between provincial and reserve schools, and of course the fact that not all reserves have schools, right?

Some of us actually went to the same schools the locals went to.

Not that your article centered solely on secondary education.

But that's OK, you didn't get your own article anyways.

 

[bill barilko]

Here in BC we are slowly seeing some positive effects from the efforts to educate native people.

 

[damngrumpy]

Hate the natives week must have been extended eh?
There are all kinds of reasons why we do this and they
are valid reasons as well. The problem for some folks
is they fail to recognize that other groups have a small
minority that don't follow the rules as well not just the
natives.
I do agree that all groups that are financed in whole or
in part by any level of government should be audited
often and subject to scrutiny. That is farm groups,
social agency groups and corporations aw well.
But to suggest the natives are the only group that is
not playing by the rules is nonsense. Look at the folks
from Bountiful for example they have been cheating
the welfare system for years, with multiple wives and
dozens of kids and one husband. Why not speak
about that issue? Answer Natives are more visible.

 

[CDNBear]

Here in BC we are slowly seeing some positive effects from the efforts to educate native people.

Did you and dumpster just decide to leave your basements together?

 

[Machjo]

So what's the alternative? Go back to the old residential schools?

One of the reasons Federal education failed so miserably is that the students couldn't understand the teachers: even today an estimated 15% of Nunavummiut can speak neither official language.

The situation improved precisely owing to more consultation with the locals. Now in Nunavut much elementary and secondary education occurs in the mother-tongue, with a teachers' college that now teaches in the language too.

However, after over 100 years of residential schools, it will take generations to repair the damage. But to go back to Federal diktats won't work.

Now I''ll be somewhat tongue-in-cheek here, but to make a serious point:

Let's suppose that tomorrow the federal government suddenly replaced French and English with Cree as Canada's official language.

You could imagine many French and English speaking Canadians losing their jobs in the Federal government with suddenly plenty of job opportunities for cree speakers. You could imagine many English Canadians suddenly wanting to learn Cree instead of French in high school, and likewise for French speakers wanting to learn Cree instead of English. As a result, plenty of second-language French and English teachers would lose their jobs, while demand for Cree teachers would boom for a generation or more Canada-wide. Businesses wanting to lobby the Federal government would suddenly dump their staff and replace them with Cree-speaking staff. People would want to attend university on Cree reserves, etc. In short, a simple stroke of the constitutional pen would change the linguistic and thus economic pecking order of the country.

While all of this is merely facetious, it does reveal the reality that Canadian government policy does indeed determine who will have access to the economic resources of the country and who won't.

Personally, I'd say Indonesia probably has the most democratic language policy of any nation today. Though 99% of the population speaks the national language fluently, an estimated 1% of the population speaks peaks it as a mother tongue, and that's mostly in the port cities including the capital Jakarta which tend to be more cosmopolitan. So essentially nearly the entire population is bilingual. The reason this is possible is that Indonesian has never been the mother tongue of a significant number of the population but evolved rather from a trade language. As a result, it is easy to learn by design with no exceptions to the rules, logical spelling, etc. to ensure all can learn it to fluency well before the end of their compulsory education. It's built-in ease of learning also removes any advantage mother-tongue speakers may have over non-native speakers well before the end of high school, thus putting everyone on an equal footing in terms of the preservation of their mother tongue and access to the nation's economic resources, with nearly everyone having to make an equal effort to meet the rest of the nation half-way in the communicative process. In fact the nation's motto is "unity in diversity".

If Canada truly believed in equality between Euro-Canadians and indigenous North Americans, we'd adopt the Indonesian model, whereby we'd have but one official language, a language designed to be easy to learn (not with the messed-up spelling of English or verb conjugation of French for example) which all would be expected to learn as our common second language, thus putting all Canadians on an equal footing in the communicative endeavour and access to our economic resoruces.

 

[The Old Medic]

Once again, racism raises its ugly head on these forums.

Most of the schools available to the reserves are 3rd rate, at best. It is LONG past time that the reserves be given control of their own schools. They can, and will, fire the incompetent jerks that staff those schools, get rid of the corrupt administrators, and get some real educators in.

The corruption is mostly from the outsiders, not within the reserve.

Go soak your head in a vat of rum for a while, and you may not have such a crappy vision of what Natives are really like.

 

[DaSleeper]

Once again, racism raises its ugly head on these forums.

What do you expect from a Dumpy thread:roll:

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

So what's the alternative? Go back to the old residential schools?

One of the reasons Federal education failed so miserably is that the students couldn't understand the teachers: even today an estimated 15% of Nunavummiut can speak neither official language.

The situation improved precisely owing to more consultation with the locals. Now in Nunavut much elementary and secondary education occurs in the mother-tongue, with a teachers' college that now teaches in the language too.

However, after over 100 years of residential schools, it will take generations to repair the damage. But to go back to Federal diktats won't work.

Now I''ll be somewhat tongue-in-cheek here, but to make a serious point:

Let's suppose that tomorrow the federal government suddenly replaced French and English with Cree as Canada's official language.

You could imagine many French and English speaking Canadians losing their jobs in the Federal government with suddenly plenty of job opportunities for cree speakers. You could imagine many English Canadians suddenly wanting to learn Cree instead of French in high school, and likewise for French speakers wanting to learn Cree instead of English. As a result, plenty of second-language French and English teachers would lose their jobs, while demand for Cree teachers would boom for a generation or more Canada-wide. Businesses wanting to lobby the Federal government would suddenly dump their staff and replace them with Cree-speaking staff. People would want to attend university on Cree reserves, etc. In short, a simple stroke of the constitutional pen would change the linguistic and thus economic pecking order of the country.

While all of this is merely facetious, it does reveal the reality that Canadian government policy does indeed determine who will have access to the economic resources of the country and who won't.

Personally, I'd say Indonesia probably has the most democratic language policy of any nation today. Though 99% of the population speaks the national language fluently, an estimated 1% of the population speaks peaks it as a mother tongue, and that's mostly in the port cities including the capital Jakarta which tend to be more cosmopolitan. So essentially nearly the entire population is bilingual. The reason this is possible is that Indonesian has never been the mother tongue of a significant number of the population but evolved rather from a trade language. As a result, it is easy to learn by design with no exceptions to the rules, logical spelling, etc. to ensure all can learn it to fluency well before the end of their compulsory education. It's built-in ease of learning also removes any advantage mother-tongue speakers may have over non-native speakers well before the end of high school, thus putting everyone on an equal footing in terms of the preservation of their mother tongue and access to the nation's economic resources, with nearly everyone having to make an equal effort to meet the rest of the nation half-way in the communicative process. In fact the nation's motto is "unity in diversity".

If Canada truly believed in equality between Euro-Canadians and indigenous North Americans, we'd adopt the Indonesian model, whereby we'd have but one official language, a language designed to be easy to learn (not with the messed-up spelling of English or verb conjugation of French for example) which all would be expected to learn as our common second language, thus putting all Canadians on an equal footing in the communicative endeavour and access to our economic resoruces.

Residential schools are used to justify unreasonable Indian demands, the feds failed, so we get a try. Fact is the feds don't do much right quite often. However, the provinces have decades of success in education, so Indians want to avoid that like the plague. We cannot fund dysfunction.

Indians don't even want a level playing field for their own people, tribal dictatorships are like that.

 

[CDNBear]

However, the provinces have decades of success in education, so Indians want to avoid that like the plague.

You as an example of the products coming out of the provincial system, leaves me thinking I don't blame them.

We cannot fund dysfunction.

Your education was funded.

Indians don't even want a level playing field for their own people, tribal dictatorships are like that.

What an excellent example of the failure of the provincial public school system.

 

[SLM]

Residential schools are used to justify unreasonable Indian demands, the feds failed, so we get a try. Fact is the feds don't do much right quite often. However, the provinces have decades of success in education, so Indians want to avoid that like the plague. We cannot fund dysfunction.

Indians don't even want a level playing field for their own people, tribal dictatorships are like that.

My God, is your cesspool of anger and hatred a bottomless pit? The Feds don't get things right often? Compared to your stellar track record of interpreting the actual truth of the situation, they are gold star champions.

Stop using the word 'we'. Your backwards views do not represent the majority viewpoint in this nation. It does not even represent the majority viewpoint on this forum.

 

[CDNBear]

My God, is your cesspool of anger and hatred a bottomless pit? The Feds don't get things right often? Compared to your stellar track record of interpreting the actual truth of the situation, they are gold star champions.

Stop using the word 'we'. Your backwards views do not represent the majority viewpoint in this nation. It does not even represent the majority viewpoint on this forum.

I doubt it respresents the majority view point of his basement.

 

[L Gilbert]

Ah, we hear more squeals from the #2 ranked redundant poster. And yet another example of OP poster not accepting the differences between people in different cultures. What a complete and utter imbecile.

Why would taxpayers in Canada, with one of the best education systems in the world give money to corrupt aboriginal bureaucrats

Name them and compare that number to ones who aren't corrupt.

to run their own education system? $500 million? On top of the $1.5 billion already spent? I didn't know this. I'm already crying.

This money will do little to ease any labour shortage, it will create an excess of bureaucrats and training course. Proof positive the Aboriginal Industry works on all parties who ensure your money goes into a rathole.
Correction, plenty of ratholes. They can join provincial education systems that work fine, but no, they need their own.

Yep. They were taught how to exploit systems the whitie way.

Name them and compare that number to ones who aren't corrupt.Yep. They were taught how to exploit systems the whitie way.

here's another bit of homework for you, DUMBpee; compare the result of that first comparison to those of whitie corruption.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Nobody addresses how provincial education systems are quite good, top ten in the world. No, let's give millions to aboriginals so they can create their own educational system. A bad plan.

 

[CDNBear]

Nobody addresses how provincial education systems are quite good, top ten in the world. No, let's give millions to aboriginals so they can create their own educational system. A bad plan.

How do you get a provincial school onto a fly in rez?

Do the provinces want to put provincial schools on the rez?

 

[lone wolf]

Nobody addresses how provincial education systems are quite good, top ten in the world. No, let's give millions to aboriginals so they can create their own educational system. A bad plan.

Is that why their, there and they're; to, too and two, and simple spelling are so great?

 

[L Gilbert]

Nobody addresses how provincial education systems are quite good, top ten in the world. No, let's give millions to aboriginals so they can create their own educational system. A bad plan.

Why? It actually works.
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