A two-state solution for Canada?
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Yes it is. One province surrounded by all the others pressing it over language.
So let's try that again... if you were in a province like Alberta and you were the only English province surrounded by all the others stomping all over you with a snot-headed attitude if you didn't speak French when they came in for a visit, how would it affect you?
My head swims over this next statement... I'm going to answer it according to each stupid part:
How is "bilingualism" *imposed* on you when you speak one of the two official languages? All you have to do is speak one of those two.
It's like the issue of donating blood to a type AB person.
There's blood type A and blood type B. Both types are acceptable to a type AB recipient.
If you are blood going into a type AB recipient, all you have to do is be type A or type B. You don't have to be both.
You sound like one of those guys who wouldn't know why Vietnamese and Hiatian immigrants prefer to settle in Quebec.
Quebec is forcing *immigration* on you?
Explain that one. In western Canada "immigration" is being forced by American owned corporations who hate the way Canadian workers want to be paid enough to not freeze to death in the winter, as if hiring Mexicans will somehow make it warmer.
Actually it was Newfoundland before they discovered oil and currently the northern territories of Inuvik to receive the most preferential treatment by the Federal Government.
You don't know anything about how population ratios work on the streams of history, do you?
Fact is, they were and still do have what any population sociologist would tell you constitutes a fundamental civilization core, much more than so than even the Afrikaner of South Africa, and they're not going away either.
Holy sh-t... your hatred of French is so extreme you'd be happier if we lost the western half of the country and all its access to Asia if it would have extinguished their language. That means you're not really for Canada... you're just against French.
That means you have a prejudice.
Why don't you tell us how you got it. Did you grow up as the only Anglo in a tough French town?
Number one, that is your provincial government's fault, not Quebec. And I don't think you understand what equalization payments are.
You don't seem to understand my point.
Let's get to the bottom line;
-AB does not need Canada
-AB always pays and gets nothing in return.
Albertans follow the money.... Got it ???
Uhh... Alberta used to be the poorest province until they discovered oil.
In fact, it's the only province to have actually declared bankruptcy in its history. (Did you know that they therefore they had their own currency for awhile?)
Aside from prairie wheat and foothills beef, what do you think Alberta has to export when the oil's gone?
And what happens when the oil runs out OR we start depending more on other sources of energy?
It seems that short sightedness is a modern plague. The poor chap is a victim of too many ten second sound bites. It causes short term memory loss and ADD.
I can't believe that knowledge can run so backwards... although, come to think of it, Europe was on the verge of an industrial revolution before it slipped into the dark-ages, so I guess it's possible.
In case you didn't know, back in the 60's Alberta was keenly aware that it would be hooped when it ran out of oil.
That's why the Socred government of the day had a policy of letting out only as much oil as was required to balance the provincial budget in order to provide all the services that people wanted (in those days, the big "social service" issue was roads).
But the Lougheed family, with huge investments in Imperial Oil, wanted to be more rich than they already were, so they go their boy Peter to run for Premier on the promise that if they opened the taps, they would save money in the Alberta Heritage Trust Fund, and would pay for social services with the interest.
Of course, when you have a pile of money sitting there like that, the mediocre people incapable of being creative and inventive and industrial but with an ability to get into power will just gut it, and that's what happened.
Now Alberta is out of the liquid oil, and is down to pillaging tar-sands.
If the original 60's Socred Government had stayed in power, their policy would have enabled Alberta's liquid oil to last 300 years. Under the Lougheed government with Peter's family's investments in Imperial oil, the easily extractable stuff ran out in 30 years, and now the tar-sands are being dug up.
When that's gone, Alberta will go back to being what it used to be... the poorest province in Canada.
My goodness... wouldn't that be a great time to be "independent".
I bet (odds ten to one) you don't know that during the Great Depression a lot of Albertans survived on donations of carrots and potatoes shipped to them by charitable British Columbians. Why would they want to do that if you've declared outrageous independence?
Further, you think being landlocked is not a problem?
Ha.
Did you know it costs more to ship wheat by rail from Alberta to the ports in Vancouver than it costs to ship that wheat by sea down through the Panama canal and all the way to Europe?
Some Albertans in the 70's were aware of that, and tried to talk the province into investing in an airship transport system in order to get around the problem of being landlocked, but there were no visionaries in government at the time. At the time, there were only shareholders of oil companies in power, incapable of visualizing anything other than the bottom line of their dividend reports.
I've decided you can't be serious, and you're just saying the stuff you're saying in order to provoke an argument, and what the h-ll does it have to do with Quebec?
Huh?
Explain the logic behind that comment.
Are you talking about how English Canada was a parochial backwater until Trudeau came along and pulled the nation into the 20th Century?
It's not a burden on Quebec for English Canada to benefit from its culture and civilization.
Have you ever watched their game shows? I can't even speak their language and I still find them fun to watch.
Have you checked out Saskatchewan's status lately? Right now it's more progressive in most ways than Alberta.
You're joking.
You think that Alberta and BC have a combined GPD greater than that of the US and/or Chica and/or Japan?
Statements like that are how people know you're just yanking a chain in order to gauge the reaction... and you still haven't explained what the heck it has to do with Quebec.
Yeah, I noticed that. It's interesting. Saskatoon is doing very well.
Quebec can never survive without Canada supporting them.
When I say Canada is supporting them, it really means AB is supporting them. It is the only province with money.
If AB separates, Quebec freezes in the dark!!!
That's what is has to do with Quebec.
When I say Canada is supporting them, it really means AB is supporting them. It is the only province with money.
If AB separates, Quebec freezes in the dark!!!
That's what is has to do with Quebec.
If you want to make certain that Canada is no longer an independent country, just begin this process. If Quebec gets any degree of independence, it will go all the way and totally leave Canada. In not too many years, the Atlantic Provinces would no longer be viable, and they would join the USA.
The prairie provinces would follow along, as they would have virtually nothing in common with Ontario, would be totally and completely politically dominated by Ontario and their only chance of survival would be to join the US as new states.
British Columbia would likely try to become an independent country of its own. But, it's economy is too small, its population is far too concentrated, and it would either become a 3rd world country, or it would eventually also join the USA.
Ontario and Quebec would most likely end up in either an economic, or even possibly a shooting, war.
Yes indeed, go the route of dissolution, that would REALLY destroy Canada, and I doubt if even the Quebecers would be very happy about how things actually worked out.
I would give the two-state "solution" a maximum of 20 years of viability.
The prairie provinces would follow along, as they would have virtually nothing in common with Ontario, would be totally and completely politically dominated by Ontario and their only chance of survival would be to join the US as new states.
British Columbia would likely try to become an independent country of its own. But, it's economy is too small, its population is far too concentrated, and it would either become a 3rd world country, or it would eventually also join the USA.
Ontario and Quebec would most likely end up in either an economic, or even possibly a shooting, war.
Yes indeed, go the route of dissolution, that would REALLY destroy Canada, and I doubt if even the Quebecers would be very happy about how things actually worked out.
I would give the two-state "solution" a maximum of 20 years of viability.