What would be your thoughts on Quebec voluntarily separating from Canada but sharing a common citizenship and passport?
Pros and cons?
Pros and cons?
"Dual Dominion of Canada", "Canada-Quebec", with Austro-Hungary as a source of inspiration.
Queen can remain the titular head of state with Anglo-Canada with their own Prime Minister and Quebec with their own Prime Minister. Federal Parliament in Ottawa dissolved and new capitals established in Toronto and Quebec. Ontario broken up into Northern and Southern Ontario.
In Austro-Hungary, Galicia remained a part of the Austrian Part of the country even though there was no land border, a similar arrangement could work for the Maritimes unless we aim for a three state solution.
If we all agreed to at least sharing a common citizenship, then there would be no need for a three-state solution (unless the East coast wanted that of course) since anyone from the East coast and the rest of English Canada could freely cross Quebec at will to get to the other side.
"Dual Dominion of Canada", "Canada-Quebec", with Austro-Hungary as a source of inspiration.
Queen can remain the titular head of state with Anglo-Canada with their own Prime Minister and Quebec with their own Prime Minister. Federal Parliament in Ottawa dissolved and new capitals established in Toronto and Quebec. Ontario broken up into Northern and Southern Ontario.
Common monetary, foreign policy and citizenship visa but that is as far as it should go, imo.
A split is a split - clean and final
It's not something I'd want to happen and I think they probably like the idea even less, sort of like the 5 year old child who threatens to leave home.
What chaos and unemployment? Wasn't it Parizeau who said the majority of Quebec business is mom and pop operations?English-Canada itself would benefit from such a shared relationship. After all, imagine the chaos and unemployment that a total split would cause on both sides of the Ontario-Quebec border, right where a significant portion of both populations live. Why hurt ourselves just to hurt Quebec? What's the point of that? Seems kind of sadistic to me.
What chaos and unemployment? Wasn't it Parizeau who said the majority of Quebec business is mom and pop operations?
Not something I'd necessarily want to happen either. However, with hate seeming to rise on both sides of the border, it could happen. And if it should happen, I'd rather we have a plan of action anyway, some kind of rational offer that could be acceptable and beneficial to both sides so as to minimize the damage, rather than have the extremists on both sides act out a hate on for each other leading to severe harm done to both sides.
It's like having an emergency evacuation plan. You don't hope for the building burn down or for any other kind of emergency, but you have a plan in place anyway so that if it does, you won't be taken by surprise.
Now, in the event that Quebec should ever decide to separate, would it not be preferable to have a well thought out plan of action already in place just waiting to be implemented, or would it be better for us to dance by the seat of our pants in total chaos?
We should consider too that any bad relations between Canada and Quebec would likely hurt Canada-US relations as the US tries to isolate itself from our problems. Looking at it that way, a peaceful and friendly separation on a sound policy foundation would be more likely to preserve friendly relations between Canada and the US, which would be absolutely crucial to Canada's and Quebec's economies.
I agree................up to a point. I think if there was "total chaos" it would be them more than the rest of Canada.
For the most part, I think the Ottawa River and some harsh feelings already do that.I don't know. But even if that is the case, imagine businesses on both sides of the border relying on markets on the other side too. Clearly a total split would certainly hurt those businesses, mom-and-pop or not.
nope, you're either with us fully or you're completely separated, no help from the rest of us.What would be your thoughts on Quebec voluntarily separating from Canada but sharing a common citizenship and passport?
Pros and cons?
Pardon me, but isn't that what we have today in Canada given the breakdown in the commons, the caveats in the BNA & the ability of the National Assembly to enact preferential legislation to ensure the "Quebec Identity" (language, culture, etal)
What chaos and unemployment? Wasn't it Parizeau who said the majority of Quebec business is mom and pop operations?
For the most part, I think the Ottawa River and some harsh feelings already do that.
nope, you're either with us fully or you're completely separated, no help from the rest of us.
A division of Canada would not just effect Canada. There are far more issues than just forming 2-3 or more semi independent or independent countries.
Ever-louder rumblings north of the border should not be dismissed as another Canadian nonevent. Potentially, they portend much greater consequences for American interests than many nationalist breakups around the world. Canada's dilemma, typically put, is the separation of Quebec. At least since the abortive rebellions of 1837-38, Quebecers seemingly have been revolting against Canada. The question has always been, "Will Quebec separate?" After a recent referendum in Quebec almost answered yes, Canadians have begun to ask other questions in more heated tones, such as, "Should Quebec be partitioned?" "For other Francophones and the rest of us," wrote Diane Francis, editor of The Financial Post, "[partition of Quebec] would rid this country of troublemakers who do not value Canada or its citizenship and who play fast and loose with the rule of law and minority rights." Quebecers, for their part, call partition dangerous, nonviable, undemocratic, and contrary to law. They regard it as a precedent that would threaten the geopolitical balance in North America. So the tensions increase.
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Weaselwords, you are quite correct.
Hence the reason why most of our "Liberal Party" Prime Ministers had came from or practiced law in Quebec.
A dual state Initiative would never come from Quebec (despite the BQ) because most in Quebec don't wish to see an end to the gravy train or state bilingualism which gives them preferential access to government and military jobs from Victoria to St. John.
Rather such an initiative would come from Western Canada and from Steven Harper if he manages to attain a majority.
Is the military a mom and pop operation? We might not have a massive army like the United States but we still manufactur our "shock and awe" toys in Quebec.
Are these mom and pop stores?
1. CAE Inc (Montreal)
2. Rheinthall-Canada (Quebec City)
3. Bombardier (Montreal)
4. GDC (Toronto and Montreal)
5. SNC-Lavalin Group (Quebec)
6. Héroux-Devtek Inc (Quebec)
7. Bell Helicopter Textron Canada Ltd (Mirabel - Montreal)
8. Pratt & Whitney Canada Corp (Montreal)
Are you kidding yourself? What industrial capacity we still have left is essentially split between Ontario and Quebec, the only thing left in the west are transit fees, lumber, oil and grain and the Maritimes is essentially a little bit of industry with fishing.
It's Quebec who has the most to lose if it became isolated from Canada and North America. Nothing bad could ever happen to Western Canada unless something managed to knock out the United States, China and Europe in one go.
A division of Canada would not just effect Canada. There are far more issues than just forming 2-3 or more semi independent or independent countries.
Ever-louder rumblings north of the border should not be dismissed as another Canadian nonevent. Potentially, they portend much greater consequences for American interests than many nationalist breakups around the world. Canada's dilemma, typically put, is the separation of Quebec. At least since the abortive rebellions of 1837-38, Quebecers seemingly have been revolting against Canada. The question has always been, "Will Quebec separate?" After a recent referendum in Quebec almost answered yes, Canadians have begun to ask other questions in more heated tones, such as, "Should Quebec be partitioned?" "For other Francophones and the rest of us," wrote Diane Francis, editor of The Financial Post, "[partition of Quebec] would rid this country of troublemakers who do not value Canada or its citizenship and who play fast and loose with the rule of law and minority rights." Quebecers, for their part, call partition dangerous, nonviable, undemocratic, and contrary to law. They regard it as a precedent that would threaten the geopolitical balance in North America. So the tensions increase.
Will Canada Unravel? Plotting a Map if Quebec Secedes | Foreign Affairs