A new way to police?

[Nuggler]

Typical leftie trying to side step rule of law to save kittens from burning trees. Jeepers. What's next?

I think it's time to privatize the military, let them unionize so they don't get screwed by their masters, and let them.do the policing. Enough jacking around!!

just sayin.

 

[wulfie68]

Of course these events are planned to be disruptive, though never planned to be violent.

You're rationalizing to defend actions that are most often unlawful. The fact that these are designed to be disruptive means the protestors are willing, at the very least, to place the rights of others behind their right to vent their spleen.

You can't tell me that 100's of cops in riot gear each carrying multiple cans of pepper spray is spontaneous either. The police plan their actions well ahead of time. Techniques such as 'kettling' are pre-planned maneuvers to incite a response and give some faint cause and justification to what is nothing more than police brutality and excessive use of force.

And the pre-demonstration mindset by some on the other side isn't much better: most of the organizers may not want it, but some organizers and protesters want a confrontation because it means news coverage and publicity (although usually their message gets lost in the coverage of the actual incident).

The bottom line to me, is that neither side is right. The police have a necessary task to perform, in safeguarding public interests: they need to stop or minimize violence and allow for the possibility of emergency access. The challenge is they need to find a way to do this that minimizes the tension with protesters. At the same time, protesters need to be cognizant that their actions do have much more serious and far reaching implications than their immediate view: a person who dies because emergency services can't arrive in time because of delays caused by a protest are partially responsible for that death, peaceful intent or not.

 

[Liberalman]

So the rioters should get a permit?

No the organizers should get the permit and make sure to stop the rioters from causing any damages

 

[PoliticalNick]

You're rationalizing to defend actions that are most often unlawful.

You are aware of what 'civil disobedience' is all about right?

The fact that these are designed to be disruptive means the protestors are willing, at the very least, to place the rights of others behind their right to vent their spleen.

What rights are those? The right to travel the most direct route to your destination? The right to utilize a public area that is full already? What rights exactly are being infringed upon?

And the pre-demonstration mindset by some on the other side isn't much better: most of the organizers may not want it, but some organizers and protesters want a confrontation because it means news coverage and publicity (although usually their message gets lost in the coverage of the actual incident).

So the government and police aren't too bright then. If the protesters want a confrontation to garner news attention why send out the riot squad all pumped up to start a full-scale confrontation. I would say a better response would be to let the march or whatever happen quietly and let it peter out on its own from lack of attention.

The bottom line to me, is that neither side is right.

Wrong!!

The police have a necessary task to perform, in safeguarding public interests:

That means all the public, including those that want to have a peaceful demonstration.

they need to stop or minimize violence and allow for the possibility of emergency access.

Agreed

The challenge is they need to find a way to do this that minimizes the tension with protesters.

True, showing up by the hundreds in riot gear and trying to use force to stop people from exercising their rights to free speech and assembly is not minimizing tensions.

a person who dies because emergency services can't arrive in time because of delays caused by a protest are partially responsible for that death, peaceful intent or not.

Do you have even 1 example of this happening anywhere? I can't imagine anyone stopping fire or ambulance services from doing their job in an emergency. I'm quite sure that if the cops peacefully came up to a group holding a sit-in blocking a road and told them there was a fire or major accident and emergency vehicles needed to pass it would be accommodated in a hurry.

No the organizers should get the permit and make sure to stop the rioters from causing any damages

Maybe they should take a page from Stephen Harper and pre-screen anyone who wants to attend on facebook?? :roll:

 

[Cliffy]

No the organizers should get the permit and make sure to stop the rioters from causing any damages

Who organized having thousands of people gather to watch the Stanley Cup game in downtown Vancouver this year?