A Lie of Historic Proportions

Reverend Blair

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Funny with what I heard today the SC will be giving his resignation soon and with the nomination of Bolton the USA will have full control of the UN.

Nothing on the UN site about it. Where did you hear that, Fox News?

The US will not have full control of the UN. The US is one country and has one vote. If Bolton goes in and starts trying to dictate policy, the other members of the Security Council will shut him down. There are four other members with a veto, and they've had about enough of your crap.

You aren't as powerful as you think, Lib. You are also behind in paying your dues and rank at the bottom of the developed world when it comes to meeting your 0.7% of GDP goal, so yarking about how much money you spend doesn't wash.
 

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Funny with what I heard today the SC will be giving his resignation soon and with the nomination of Bolton the USA will have full control of the UN. With the amount of money the states donate they really should control the pathetic body it has become.


could be. This is exactly what the bush regime wants. More power, and more CONTROL. ......and Bolton is the man for the job alright. :twisted:

the UN would no longer be the "united nations"......but an appendage of the US.

And this is a bad thing ?

The UN has become a resting place for old tired lying bureaucrats. The UN has become like unions, they have out lived their usefulness.
 

Ocean Breeze

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The UN has become a resting place for old tired lying bureaucrats. The UN has become like unions, they have out lived their usefulness.


sez who???? The US ??? :roll:
 

Reverend Blair

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sez who???? The US ???

It isn't even the US, Ocean...it is just the radical rightwing neo-cons in the Bush regime. They find having an agency that expects them to obey laws and treaties inconvenient because they are criminals.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Reverend Blair said:
sez who???? The US ???

It isn't even the US, Ocean...it is just the radical rightwing neo-cons in the Bush regime. They find having an agency that expects them to obey laws and treaties inconvenient because they are criminals.


Yes, you are spot on , Sorry for the "generalization" Seems the Bushsciples support this as well.

(there are two major categories of people in the US now. The true Americans and the Bushsciples aka Bushites. Gotta keep this differentiation in mind ....... :wink:

Notice how the bushites handle their "inconveniences"??? :twisted:
 

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First, that 0.7 % of the GDP beats out most of the world in total dollars/euro amounts spent.

Second, no country comes near the percent of GDP in total dollars spent by private citizens on world charities.

Third, such a comparison assumes taxes to be the only right way to help the world.

Fourth, the amounts spent in increasing the economic pie for, say, Mexico, or for China with the NAFTA and global trade becoming more free ---- such trade basicly
dwarfs anything vaunted foreign aid accomplishes.

In all of the above categories, no other country comes even close to the largesse spread around and that largesse does not of course imply any noble motive, but rather money is money and the economic pie is made much larger by all of the above categories than the often mis-appropriated and embezzled and much vaunted tax paid foreign aid.

Even a lot of private organizations look on with dismay how the leaders of other countries get their hands on charity.

But those private organizations of many stripes, religions, ideologies in United States simply dwarfs the total dollars spent and simply dwarfs the percent of any other country's governmental expenditures as a part of their GDP.
 

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RE: A Lie of Historic Pro

The really funny thing is that I don't think the Bushites have the slightest idea how much trouble they are really in. They have no allies left in the world...even Tony Blair is rumoured to be backing away from Georgie after the double snub in Washington last week.

Now things are turning against them at home. Talk of impeachment is rising and the lies they told to start an illegal and increasingly unpopular war are coming back to haunt them.

With all that going on, the best Georgie and his minions can manage is more tough talk. The thing is that nobody believes them anymore.
 

thelib

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And no Links, whats with this code?

Phpbb should take a http and turn it into a link.
 

Ocean Breeze

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hmm. let's try to stick to the lies that the Bush gov't has told in regards to the bush invasion.

the UN issue might warrant another thread.

cheers.
 

thelib

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Now things are turning against them at home. Talk of impeachment is rising and the lies they told to start an illegal and increasingly unpopular war are coming back to haunt them.

You do know, in your mind does not count for anything that goes on in the USA. ?
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: RE: A Lie of Historic Pro

Reverend Blair said:
The really funny thing is that I don't think the Bushites have the slightest idea how much trouble they are really in. They have no allies left in the world...even Tony Blair is rumoured to be backing away from Georgie after the double snub in Washington last week.

Now things are turning against them at home. Talk of impeachment is rising and the lies they told to start an illegal and increasingly unpopular war are coming back to haunt them.

With all that going on, the best Georgie and his minions can manage is more tough talk. The thing is that nobody believes them anymore.

this is very close to how I see it too. The bushites are in their own delusional world. Reason and logic does not penetrate the wall of delusions.

Wanna bet that the inner core of the bush regime is having closed door discussions as to how they will spin things when more questions are posed to them and more aggressively. ??? They might decide to use the "dismissal" tactic .....and act like those issues don't even exist.or are "just so irrelevant" in their "higher order" of things. Or render another terror alert....(just for good measure)


and you are right. No one except the Bushites believe anything the bush regime says. This last part is the most dangerous.......as could there be a serious problem.....who will believe someone that cries wolf?? (abuses alert systems, and lies so extensively)
 

Reverend Blair

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First, that 0.7 % of the GDP beats out most of the world in total dollars/euro amounts spent.

Jim, that's the goal. O.7% of GDP. It has nothing to do with other spending and it has nothing to do with private charities. It certainly has nothing to do with US trade practices, which are predatory at best.

And no Links, whats with this code?

Use the url button.

I checked your links and Volcker still has no proof. There is an e-mail from a questionable source and nobody from the UN is talking about Annan stepping down.


You do know, in your mind does not count for anything that goes on in the USA. ?

I just go by what's happening in the media and what the polls are showing. Bush is in trouble...will likely be a lame duck before the mid-term elections. If those go badly for the Republicans, as they well could, Bush could face impeachment. Even if the Republicans do well, there has been growing criticism of the Bush regime among Republican Congressmen and Senators.
 

thelib

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With 3.5 years left with GWB in power you guy's will sure get your post #'s up

Too bad Jeb will take over in 08.
 

Ocean Breeze

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They have no allies left in the world...even Tony Blair is rumoured to be backing away from Georgie after the double snub in Washington last week.

indeed. Maybe Blair has finally learned his lesson and will govern Britain , and not be a Bush "slave."

interesting how the US /Bush gov't treats their "friends" isn't it???

It will turn on a friend the moment it suits them.

the US has no real allies or friends. (as you say). Little wonder it has to bribe , coerce nations now.

maybe they don't "need" friends anymore. If they want to isolate themselves to this degree, then they better do so completely and get out of places they don't belong.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: RE: A Lie of Historic Proportions

thelib said:
With 3.5 years left with GWB in power you guy's will sure get your post #'s up

Too bad Jeb will take over in 08.

if this is what the US wants......it is their choice.

As long as the US meddles where it is not asked or wanted, it will remain fodder for discussion, debate and much criticism.

and the US will just have to live with it.----and not whine about why the rest of the world despises it so much. Kinda too bad that the US in general is so shielded from how the rest of the world community feels about it. But they don't seem to give a damn anyhow.
 

thelib

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Reverend Blair said:
First, that 0.7 % of the GDP beats out most of the world in total dollars/euro amounts spent.

Jim, that's the goal. O.7% of GDP. It has nothing to do with other spending and it has nothing to do with private charities. It certainly has nothing to do with US trade practices, which are predatory at best.

And no Links, whats with this code?

Use the url button.

I checked your links and Volcker still has no proof. There is an e-mail from a questionable source and nobody from the UN is talking about Annan stepping down.


You do know, in your mind does not count for anything that goes on in the USA. ?

I just go by what's happening in the media and what the polls are showing. Bush is in trouble...will likely be a lame duck before the mid-term elections. If those go badly for the Republicans, as they well could, Bush could face impeachment. Even if the Republicans do well, there has been growing criticism of the Bush regime among Republican Congressmen and Senators.

The URL button is not necessary if the code is setup right, you want some links.?

And Volcker, who’s going to wait for him. ?