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The contemporary understanding of said book is certainly fiction. The God of the Bible is a singular entity that comes from outside our universe who left us a set of texts that explain where we came from and where we are going in summation form. The bulk of the book is explaining why the path is as bumpy as it is. The Bible itself advises you to reject it if you find it conflicts with itself or you find other reasons to doubt it as being written by one 'person' who is able to effect the words into reality based on a very tight time-line. That it is a book of literals rather than figmentations is the first stumbling block He put in there to weed out the ones the book reserves for gathering after reality has taken hold of 'things'.

One of the first lessons the Bible teaches is that if confusion enters the picture when you are reading then you should find an easier subject to read about. In the Bible it would be the various parables in the NT. If that ever actually got accomplished the next part would be looking for parables in the OT as you do want the myth put into a different pile than the reality verses.

Take any subject that is of similar size and you have to use the same study method for both. Some approaches might even be more effective than others in a way that makes it's application universal. For instance, the therm 'grace' in the NT has a limited number of references so a hour spent reading those verses and the the passages they come from is going to allow you to speak up when grace becomes the topic. The learning part that the Bible includes is that in the passages you read there will be something that would allow the reader to keep looking up 'topics' and later rather than sooner all that reading will begin to pay off as reading a new passage will result in you being able to connect the various references to your intake of knowledge is faster in the end and slower at the beginning.

The other areas in the mechanical world that are at all complex can be studied faster but not as through if you use the index in the back rather than the table at the front of the book.

As far as I am aware Science still has to do some magic to get the big bang happening, the Bible has the universe and earth existing at the end of day 1 so there is a period that must be called the beginning of day 1 which is when material started being gathered to create the reality we can see around us.

Do with that advice what you will. :)
Well my little troll, time to see how you are doing. Not nice to leave a new troll dangling in the breeze too long. You get any emotions that that you are out of the troll-closet and are making comments quite freely? Sometimes when you troll somebody and they just ignore you. That gives a troll some issues to deal with, like should I use caps now? Stay tuned.

What posts have you been reading? 8O

He's a bigot, a chauvinist pig and he whines a lot. And I don't throw the chauvinist label around lightly.


You should. Go on, do it! :D
Would the unbolded part not include some words that a troll would use? For the bolded part I can see you actually sitting up in your chair a little bit just at the prospect of this happening. Is that called being 'attracted to the dark side?' Now clean-up your keyboard.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Hard to believe that someone as bright as you seem to be would buy such nonsense. You've spent a vast amount of time and energy trying to reconcile a belief in the Bible's literal truth with the way things really are--and failed for everyone but yourself, which ought to tell you something--and I wonder what you could have achieved if you'd invested all that time and energy in something constructive. The Bible IS mostly fiction, and you appear to have conceded that a few posts back.
 

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The Bible IS mostly fiction, and you appear to have conceded that a few posts back.
Considering how it is taught by the RCC and the other Clergies you are right, it is fiction. However, if belief in somebody who would cause the death of a lot of children just to define what the term 'the land of the enemy' means is put into the equation then I'm in that group. Why would He do that, because the meaning of that term is important in understanding what is written in the book.

Creation works if you use the old earth model. The flood works if the water on the hills and mountains is viewed as being snow. The parting of the water works in the exodus if the body of water is the Bittern Lakes. The list goes on and that is what is meant by turning fiction into reality, but then you are smart enough to know that.
Hard to believe that someone as bright as you seem to be would buy such nonsense.
Dex, the point of me going past the 'I believe in God because of the words in the Bible' is to show that I have rejected many things that are said to be promoted by the Bible. If you remove the foolish parts and you have something left that should not be ignored, you might want to explore those parts a bit closer. That never gets done as the errors befpre show that there is no 'reasonable explanation'.
You've spent a vast amount of time and energy trying to reconcile a belief in the Bible's literal truth with the way things really are--and failed for everyone but yourself, which ought to tell you something--
Actually it would be considered to be 'hobby hours' as progression was through conversation not unlike this part of this thread. What not being able to tell who the beloved Disciple is from the available text shows me there are very few readers that can classify what they read. Great memories record the words but sorting for context seems to have been left out and with the Clergy not being the best at recieving new ideas that could be a factor, a small factor if we are half as intelligent as we give ourselves credit for. If a Heathen such as myself can read and understand the whole book in a few decades then something really is wrong and it isn't because my versions are outlandish it is because there is usually no argument against them that doesn't touch on the 'let's be unreasonable angle ' that is a very real tactic of all liars, be it in religion or politics. If that can be reduced to a short list then it isn't all that hard to spot intentional 'errors'. If everybody believes a lie and nobody believes the truth what advantage would there be for a person to be honest and take the ridicule that comes with taking that stance.

and I wonder what you could have achieved if you'd invested all that time and energy in something constructive.
I spent 25 years (so far) being a sort of single parent, as much fun as it was I can still understand why I avoided it when I was 18 rather than 38. Even today my concepts are just as good as when I was working on race-type engines when I was 16. Even with a natural attraction for such things it still too time either in study or practical before something was 'right'. One engine doesn't have very many moving parts compared to what is going on on race day and the bigger picture is more important. Going fast was fun at that age, today I would be more likely to be designing trails so old people can drive their low speed karts down it while taking lots of breaks. That it would inclide a few miles of river valley means the 'planning stage' is a bigger list than the one I take to the store (which I don't do for a variety of reasons. 1. today I would forget to take the list with me at all. 2. not taking one and then going back to get the item I missed is what I am doing to help myself from forgetting things on a short list. Worth trying as I used to do long lists without forgetting anything, like the proper brand. 3. there was one but I forgot it and I'm not going to stop for the 20 seconds to 3 minutes before the thought returns.)
 

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Wow. That's sad, pathetic and a whole bunch of offensive.

Tell me, what was the funniest part. Was it when he suggested that some women on this forum were going to end up in hospital with their jaws wired shut? Or maybe it was when he suggested the Nazi's didn't do enough to kill off certain groups when they had the chance?

He's not a joke, he's a hate filled, tiny little man.

Just ignore SLM. She's a troll.... and it's that time of the month again.
There ya go....proving her right.....
 

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Just ignore SLM. She's a troll.... and it's that time of the month again.

and this just after I gave you a pat on your pointy little head too you dork.

why don't you blow up that karl plinkington sex doll of yours and stay out of our hair.
 

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and this just after I gave you a pat on your pointy little head too you dork.

why don't you blow up that karl plinkington sex doll of yours and stay out of our hair.

Be nice to that pitiable soul. We love you BL. We really do. Have you considered therapy
 

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I don't think I believe that. You appear to be pretty bright, I'm sure if you wanted to write a fictionalized account of that particular set of real world events--and you wouldn't be the first by a long shot--your brain is plenty big enough to hold everything you'd need. I'd probably buy that book too, I enjoy good historical fiction.
Dear Dexter Sinister, thanks for the compliment about me having a big enough brain : ) Yes, if I found a Battle of Bull Run source-book that fired my imagination I could and probably would use some of the info but, and it's a HUGE but even when I write historical fact-based but fictionalised stories they're for a very specialised audience. I doubt it would appeal to your specific tastes 'cos of the lack of purely military scenes (although thanks to having several ex-military friends when I do write about the services what I write is correct). Best regards, N

I don't read enough of his posts do I must missed the worst of it, though I have noticed him being quite nationalistic. But what zm I to do but laugh at it? Getting angry won't change it.

But as for me, I worship a woman. Getting unlocked depends on it.
Holding SEVERAL keys Machjo! HeHe. Didn't expect anyone to pick up on the inference ; ) I too worship a female - but in my case it's because I'm an old-style pagan and NOT because of locks.
 

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The contemporary understanding of said book is certainly fiction. The God of the Bible is a singular entity that comes from outside our universe who left us a set of texts that explain where we came from and where we are going in summation form. The bulk of the book is explaining why the path is as bumpy as it is. The Bible itself advises you to reject it if you find it conflicts with itself or you find other reasons to doubt it as being written by one 'person' who is able to effect the words into reality based on a very tight time-line. That it is a book of literals rather than figmentations is the first stumbling block He put in there to weed out the ones the book reserves for gathering after reality has taken hold of 'things'.

One of the first lessons the Bible teaches is that if confusion enters the picture when you are reading then you should find an easier subject to read about. In the Bible it would be the various parables in the NT. If that ever actually got accomplished the next part would be looking for parables in the OT as you do want the myth put into a different pile than the reality verses.

Take any subject that is of similar size and you have to use the same study method for both. Some approaches might even be more effective than others in a way that makes it's application universal. For instance, the therm 'grace' in the NT has a limited number of references so a hour spent reading those verses and the the passages they come from is going to allow you to speak up when grace becomes the topic. The learning part that the Bible includes is that in the passages you read there will be something that would allow the reader to keep looking up 'topics' and later rather than sooner all that reading will begin to pay off as reading a new passage will result in you being able to connect the various references to your intake of knowledge is faster in the end and slower at the beginning.

The other areas in the mechanical world that are at all complex can be studied faster but not as through if you use the index in the back rather than the table at the front of the book.

As far as I am aware Science still has to do some magic to get the big bang happening, the Bible has the universe and earth existing at the end of day 1 so there is a period that must be called the beginning of day 1 which is when material started being gathered to create the reality we can see around us.


Well my little troll, time to see how you are doing. Not nice to leave a new troll dangling in the breeze too long. You get any emotions that that you are out of the troll-closet and are making comments quite freely? Sometimes when you troll somebody and they just ignore you. That gives a troll some issues to deal with, like should I use caps now? Stay tuned.


Would the unbolded part not include some words that a troll would use? For the bolded part I can see you actually sitting up in your chair a little bit just at the prospect of this happening. Is that called being 'attracted to the dark side?' Now clean-up your keyboard.
SCIENCE - the only thing that still works EVEN IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN IT!! And all I did was ask if anyone understood the term "Battle Run" in respect of Canadian History.

I'd be interested to know who that very specialized audience is.
A girl should keep an air of mystery ;-} But I seem have to done something right as I've got you thinking. Let's just say my audience isn't likely to read Mills & Boon romantic drivel or chic lit like wotsits Diary that was popular enough to be made into a movie a while back. 90 Days of . . . . or B****r the Roses Send me the Thorns are more likely. Enough clues?

I'd be interested to know who that very specialized audience is.
P.S. I'm currently writing two stories one based on a Canadian tv show from 20-ish years ago the other based on the same series AND a current American one. That's how weird my brain can be.
 

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I'm pretty sure the fact that science is telling us today that Japan's problems are a 'non-issue' shows quite clearly that 'science' publishes only what they are told to publish rather than it being 'the truth'. If it has to do with the Indian Wars the version you get has most likely been fictionalized to a certain extent.
Later.
 

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I'm pretty sure the fact that science is telling us today that Japan's problems are a 'non-issue' shows quite clearly that 'science' publishes only what they are told to publish rather than it being 'the truth'. If it has to do with the Indian Wars the version you get has most likely been fictionalized to a certain extent.
Later.
First Nation/Native/Aboriginal history should be heard from THEIR point of view, simple thought that's why it's what I try to do. I never did believe the "white man's truth", after all the old phrase "to the victor the spoils" includes the writing of history, I was, thankfully, taught that one at junior school.
 

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So would their version be the truthful fiction book or the fictional truth book?
I'm quite comfortable with science, do they have all things right, not my a long margin. I'm also quite comfortable with Jeremiah:25 saying all nations on the earth will be included in events and then have the 4th seal say 1/4 of the earth will experience hell and death. If some can't make the connection that the two were meant to be informative to the readers then 100 more examples wouldn't do it either. With people like Dex on of the bigger obstacles is that is there was a 'sane solution to Scripture' he would have already thought of it.
Since it doesn't look like I'll be reading your book why not expand on the plot a bit more. Never know when a Buffalo stampede will come in handy.
 

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A girl should keep an air of mystery ;-}
Agreed, but I think you're well past being a girl, you sound like a most interesting adult. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't still keep an air of mystery. :) And I don't believe that your audience is so specialized that I wouldn't find what you write interesting. If what you've written here is any indication, you write well, you think clearly, and you do your research. That's always interesting. I hope you'll stick around, even if you won't tell us who your so specialized audience is. But you know I'm going to speculate... Welsh midget historians? Gay and lesbian people who've appeared on QI? No, that can't be it, that's quite a large group... A hint at least? Your clues above are pretty vague, nobody with any brains reads that stuff for long. Bridget Jones' Diary? What a piece of crap.
 
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Agreed, but I think you're well past being a girl, you sound like a most interesting adult. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't still keep an air of mystery. :) And I don't believe that your audience is so specialized that I wouldn't find what you write interesting. If what you've written here is any indication, you write well, you think clearly, and you do your research. That's always interesting. I hope you'll stick around, even if you won't tell us who your so specialized audience is. But you know I'm going to speculate... Welsh midget historians? Gay and lesbian people who've appeared on QI? No, that can't be it, that's quite a large group... A hint at least? Your clues above are pretty vague, nobody with any brains reads that stuff for long. Bridget Jones' Diary? What a piece of crap.
I'll take your word for it regarding BJ'S Diary, neither read nor seen it and don't intend to.
Didn't know there was an audience of midget Welsh historians out there - note to self 'must research this'!
I'm about to post one of the throw-away stories I mentioned before onto a "Fanfic" site 'cos it's too vanilla for my usual audience, how about I let you know when and where? Trouble is I don't know if it's possible to memo people on here as I can on another site I use.
For your complimentary words I thank you kindly (another hint as to where the inspiration for the two stories I mentioned came from).
 

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Didn't know there was an audience of midget Welsh historians out there - note to self 'must research this'!
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If you're both a midget AND Welsh you've not got much going for you. If that was a dog rather than a person it'd be put down.