9/11: Debunking The Myths

[Judland]

Well, conspiracy theorist or not, it's not the first time I've read/heard these sort of questions being asked before.

With so many people asking these sorts of questions, you'd think those in power would be working harder at answering them head on and allowing for debate.

How the U.S. government decides to lead their people, I don't really care. If it were my government, I'd want answers before giving up my rights for better "protection."

If there isn't anything to these theories, then a government lead debate shouldn't be something to shy away from. But that's just my opinion as an outsider.

 

[Judland]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

Now the U.S. Military is ready for another 9/11 type attack within U.S. Air Space ready to down any Hijacked plane. The same could apply to Canada's Military patrolling Canadian Air Space ready to down any Hijacked plane because this is the World we now live in where the chance of Hijackers using Hijacked planes as WMD's is real.

:lol: I work in the field of construction engineering. Many of my co-workers fly all over the world many times in any given year. Some of the stories I hear from them about air port security (in every country) is quite comical.

If using hi-jacked aircraft is such a reality and a danger, I'm completely amazed at how many opportunities are missed.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?

The world didn't ask that one simple and compelling question, just America asked ,everyone else knew why and that was what mattered.

Actually, only the fringe left "knew" or those that can't think beyond their hatred. On 9/11, newspapers all over the world had headlines, "We are allAmericans", and that was the general mood of the people.

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: Darkbeaver's Hypothesis

An interesting assertion, darkbeaver.

For the sake of curiosity, I would ask you to inform me as to what question had not been asked by the United States of America (yet had been asked by most other nations), and as to what that answer is (which you would suggest I should be aware of, as a non-American)?

The question asked by the" WORLD according to the article was "HOW" could it have happened, and I mantained that only America would ask that question. The how was apparent ,the planes and bad security, the WHY was the real question and answer for most of the world, the why was the reason for this target not the how.

In the days and weeks following the event the HOW was assumed the Why was supplied by the administration. The tranposition of the how and why questions is the shell game that I believe still clouds the event.

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?

The world didn't ask that one simple and compelling question, just America asked ,everyone else knew why and that was what mattered.

Actually, only the fringe left "knew" or those that can't think beyond their hatred. On 9/11, newspapers all over the world had headlines, "We are allAmericans", and that was the general mood of the people.

Yes you are correct about the near universal sympathy ITN, but still the natural question is ,why would anyone do this, not, how would anybody do this?

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

Now the U.S. Military is ready for another 9/11 type attack within U.S. Air Space ready to down any Hijacked plane. The same could apply to Canada's Military patrolling Canadian Air Space ready to down any Hijacked plane because this is the World we now live in where the chance of Hijackers using Hijacked planes as WMD's is real.

:lol: I work in the field of construction engineering. Many of my co-workers fly all over the world many times in any given year. Some of the stories I hear from them about air port security (in every country) is quite comical.

If using hi-jacked aircraft is such a reality and a danger, I'm completely amazed at how many opportunities are missed.

Yeah Security is still a joke, the opportunities are there you can be sure there have been Sleepers doing recon on certain flights seeing if a certain flight that runs everyday at the same time could be taken over which is what the 9/11 Hijackers did.

Even with the Military patrolling the Air Space ready to down any Hijacked Plane the true last line of defense would be the passengers as they know they stand the very good chance of being the next 9/11 style attack if they don't try to stop the Terrorists which is what could have stopped possible Hijackers from ever trying it again.

 

[Kreskin]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?

The world didn't ask that one simple and compelling question, just America asked ,everyone else knew why and that was what mattered.

Actually, only the fringe left "knew" or those that can't think beyond their hatred. On 9/11, newspapers all over the world had headlines, "We are allAmericans", and that was the general mood of the people.

Beav, I remember that. Everyone was angry and shocked by the events. I don't think there was ever another time that the free world was more together than it was on 9-12. If the US had had someone like Clinton at that time he would easily have brought the world together for this fight. How Bush screwed this up is beyond me.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

Yes you are correct about the near universal sympathy ITN, but still the natural question is ,why would anyone do this, not, how would anybody do this?

I don't have those answers Darkbeaver. As I don't know why an Israeli soldier shoots a 13 year old girl. Why an American soldier gets a kick out of torturing prisoners. Why suicide bombers blow themselves to pieces and take women and children with them. Why Bush doesn't hesitate to send people in harms way. Why dictators the world over murder and oppress their people. Why somebody invades a home, kills everybody in it for a few bucks. If I had answers to these questions, I would imagine I would be in a position to combat all these things. But I don't.

 

[Judland]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

I don't have those answers Darkbeaver. As I don't know why an Israeli soldier shoots a 13 year old girl. Why an American soldier gets a kick out of torturing prisoners. Why suicide bombers blow themselves to pieces and take women and children with them. Why Bush doesn't hesitate to send people in harms way. Why dictators the world over murder and oppress their people. Why somebody invades a home, kills everybody in it for a few bucks. If I had answers to these questions, I would imagine I would be in a position to combat all these things. But I don't.

For me, I think most of this stems from the breaking of good ol' rule number 10; Thou shall not covet your neighbor's house...

Probably sounds naive to many of you, but it answers a lot of those questions for me.

 

[Toro]

RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

Those who believe Bush is tied into al-Qaeda and helped bring down the WTC discredit themselves.

So go for it!

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

Those who believe Bush is tied into al-Qaeda and helped bring down the WTC discredit themselves.

So go for it!

They also make total Jackasses out of themselves. :wink:

 

[Toro]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

Yes you are correct about the near universal sympathy ITN, but still the natural question is ,why would anyone do this, not, how would anybody do this?

To strengthen themselves and pull America into a war they believe they can win.

If al-Qaeda beats America, America will leave the region and governments supported by America will fall, especially Saudi Arabia - or so they believe. al-Qaeda becomes the most important player in the region and the number one alternative to replace the government in the countries in which it is involved. Osama bin Laden is admired by many in the Middle East, is he not? Do you think he became more well known or less well-known after 9/11? Has he become more credible or less credible? Is he more of a player or less of a player?

Bin Laden isn't crazy. Bin Laden didn't attack America because "he hates freedom". The goal of al-Qaeda is to re-establish the Caliphate. It cannot be done with American bases in the region. And its much easier to replace governments that are considered rotten, as is the House of Saud.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The M

If al-Qaeda beats America, America will leave the region and governments supported by America will fall, especially Saudi Arabia - or so they believe. al-Qaeda becomes the most important player in the region and the number one alternative to replace the government in the countries in which it is involved. Osama bin Laden is admired by many in the Middle East, is he not? Do you think he became more well known or less well-known after 9/11? Has he become more credible or less credible? Is he more of a player or less of a player?

Bin Laden isn't crazy. Bin Laden didn't attack America because "he hates freedom". The goal of al-Qaeda is to re-establish the Caliphate. It cannot be done with American bases in the region. And its much easier to replace governments that are considered rotten, as is the House of Saud.

Bin Laden's issue with the United States started the day Saddam invaded Kuwait which caused the Saudis to turn to the United States for protection refusing Bin Laden's offer, that bruised his ego.

Bin Laden attacked the United States not sure if they would invade Afghanistan and if they did he planned on a long drawn out War the same kind of War he fought against the USSR when they invaded Afghanistan, he was wrong.

Al Qaeda wants complete control of Saudi Arabia which is why they have been launching Terrorist attacks against it for a couple of years now, around 2-3 months ago they tried to destroy the Oil refineries via suicide attack.

In the Middle East Bin Laden has his followers and those who don't follow him. As of now he is more of a mthyic figure he is not in control of Al Qaeda operations as the cells operate on their own such as Zarqawi's cell which operated in Iraq.

 

[jimmoyer]

In addition, al Qaeda has competition in the Middle East.

One rising power able to play Defiant David to Any
Goliath is Iran.

Iran is Shi-ite, not trusted by any Sunni Majority Nation
which happens to comprise the entire Muslim world
except for Iraq and Iran.

So while al Qaeda seeks primacy, it will have to compete
with a non-Arab nation like Iran which wishes to be
a leader like al Qaeda wishes to be a leader.

Who will win the right to lead ?

The Sunni in the Middle East, not only in Iraq's minority
Sunni but also the Sunni street and the Sunni elite
in every Muslim nation is wary of Iran.

Where they will agree is any defiance to the West,
but will disagree among themselves.

In addition Russia is a natural enemy for before
the Soviet Union fell, the USSR was naturally wary
of the Islamic movement in Chechnya, Azerbaijan,
Uzbekistan, Kazahkstan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan...
etcetera...

 

[Johnny Utah]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The Myths

In addition, al Qaeda has competition in the Middle East.

One rising power able to play Defiant David to Any
Goliath is Iran.

Iran is Shi-ite, not trusted by any Sunni Majority Nation
which happens to comprise the entire Muslim world
except for Iraq and Iran.

So while al Qaeda seeks primacy, it will have to compete
with a non-Arab nation like Iran which wishes to be
a leader like al Qaeda wishes to be a leader.

Who will win the right to lead ?

The Sunni in the Middle East, not only in Iraq's minority
Sunni but also the Sunni street and the Sunni elite
in every Muslim nation is wary of Iran.

Where they will agree is any defiance to the West,
but will disagree among themselves.

In addition Russia is a natural enemy for before
the Soviet Union fell, the USSR was naturally wary
of the Islamic movement in Chechnya, Azerbaijan,
Uzbekistan, Kazahkstan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan...
etcetera...

Interesting points.

Al Qaeda also has Africa, Europe and Indonesia to fall back on if they can't gain a foot hold in the Middle East.

 

[jimmoyer]

Al Qaeda's biggest strengths is finding a home in
a failed state where the ruling government cannot
reach every or any corner of its own homeland.

Iran is making a natural powerplay with not only
the West but wishing to make a leadership role
amongst Islamic countries.

Mubarak of Egypt pissed off the Iraqi leadership
by saying the Shia are not loyal to their own country
of Iraq, but rather are more loyal to Iran.

If you read between the lines, the Shia of Iraq are
pissed off by a Sunni Egyptian telling them that.

We all forget how bad that 8 year war was between
Iran and Iraq in the 1980s. Iran sent waves of children
into the battlefield to blow up the mines, and even
made the children wear suit bags to contain the
extraneous blowing up of their own body parts.

Shia fought Shia in that war.

Longer memories than the infantile Headline reading
western world.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Al Qaeda's biggest mistake was 9/11 as it lost them Afghanistan and had them and their leadership on the run ever since. Iran wants to be a Major Force to reckon with in the Middle East the same way Saddam wanted Iraq to be which is why Iran wants the Nuclear Weapon and why they never invaded a neighbor as Saddam did which was his ultimate downfall.

 

[Kreskin]

Re: RE: 9/11: Debunking The Myths

In addition, al Qaeda has competition in the Middle East.

One rising power able to play Defiant David to Any
Goliath is Iran.

Iran is Shi-ite, not trusted by any Sunni Majority Nation
which happens to comprise the entire Muslim world
except for Iraq and Iran.

So while al Qaeda seeks primacy, it will have to compete
with a non-Arab nation like Iran which wishes to be
a leader like al Qaeda wishes to be a leader.

Who will win the right to lead ?

The Sunni in the Middle East, not only in Iraq's minority
Sunni but also the Sunni street and the Sunni elite
in every Muslim nation is wary of Iran.

Where they will agree is any defiance to the West,
but will disagree among themselves.

In addition Russia is a natural enemy for before
the Soviet Union fell, the USSR was naturally wary
of the Islamic movement in Chechnya, Azerbaijan,
Uzbekistan, Kazahkstan, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan...
etcetera...

Seems there was an Olympic Boycott over their fight against terrorists.

 

[jimmoyer]

Yes there was, and it meant nothing in the hypocritical
universe and it means nothing now.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Which surprises me that you would use Rense.com...

Truth be told, I don't take Rense seriously either, but it was the first site I stumbled upon that had the entire list, and I don't remember where I originally read it...

The research of Paul Thompson is far more interesting to me...unfortunately, his 911 Timeline site has suffered some financial setbacks...

Luckily I captured the entire site and burned it onto a DVD...now if I could only figure out how to unpack the damn thing... :?