9/11 Conspiracy Theories Debunked - Video

[CDNBear]

If I had all the answers then you wouldn't be getting any links, as it stand those links are more proof that any of you 3 stooges are putting up combined.

Question 1.What claims have I made that require proof? Your own video's from YouTube, of an entertainment program, already disprove much of the BS you've tried to foist as fact.

I have made no claims, I am here seeking enlightenment and you can't provide it. I ask questions, you just ignore them, or put forth huge general cut and pastes that don't address the specific relevance of of each individual question.

Boil the towers down to this to a series of claims and they have to all hold up. Depending on if you support this particular part or not says a lot about your knowledge of steel in the most basic sense.

Considering I hold 12 welding licenses, a Red Seal, a numbered TSSA certification and own my own business involving steel, aluminum and other metals. I think you're asshole's sucking air.

Challenge 1. If you would like to debate me on steel at any time, feel free to start a thread so I can embarrass you yet again.

The theory is the floor joists sagged and that pulled in the outer wall. A tiny steel floor joist that is so hot it cannot support it's own weight without sagging still has the strength to pull a steel column in that is 10x it's mass while not breaking the weak link in the chain, the joint connection between the two. If you swallow that as being even remotely possible then where is the proof that it can happen, I would accept a presentation that comes from a model based on the laws of physics.

I'm not a physicist, but I do know steel, structural steel, steel structure design and have working knowledge of structural integrity and how it works.

Question 2. So by all means, please show your evidence that the floor should not have failed under the specific conditions it faced?

When I find about the power of rubbery steel pulling cold steel I'll post it.

Question 3, and 4. Didn't you just assert with all confidence that it is impossible? In the process question my knowledge of steel?

So I don't know it all

I submit that that is a gross understatement.

While you have your heroes, like Dex for example, who is Mr. Science 24/7 why would I even look for input from him anymore when he is totally predictable in repeating the established line.

Because what he states, is verifiable fact. I can understand how that must simply infuriate you and confound your ideology, but it is an inescapable fact. Which is why you wouldn't want to hear a single word from him on the topic.

Here's an error I made, I said the 4" thick concrete floors had rebar in them, they don't, if the floors were accurate in the test that was performed then it was 4" wire mesh instead. I'm quite willing to adopt that as being the actual floor design.

Question 5. Do you know what 4" mesh looks like?

I edited out the rest of your post, as it was nothing more then a pitiful attempt to obfuscate the topic and levy more of your asinine insults.

So here's a recap of the questions and the challenge.

Challenge 1. If you would like to debate me on steel at any time, feel free to start a thread so I can embarrass you yet again.

Question 1. What claims have I made that require proof?

Question 2. So by all means, please show your evidence that the floor should not have failed under the specific conditions it faced?

Question 3, and 4. Didn't you just assert with all confidence that it is impossible? In the process question my knowledge of steel?

Question 5. Do you know what 4" mesh looks like?

These were preceded by...

Now, how does that chart relate to the downing of the WTC?

What is the chart saying?

What do you think it proves?

And what was NIST's purpose for submitting that test to UL?.

Which I am still waiting for direct answer to.

Again, please feel free to answer each question directly, and/or take me up on my challenge directly.

 

[MHz]

Go ahead big mouth, one post should do it. Prove the concept that sagging floor joists has the strength to pull on the outer and core column with enough force to break them. You support the official story, now back it up.

"Challenge 1. If you would like to debate me on steel at any time, feel free to start a thread so I can embarrass you yet again.

Quote: The theory is the floor joists sagged and that pulled in the outer wall. A tiny steel floor joist that is so hot it cannot support it's own weight without sagging still has the strength to pull a steel column in that is 10x it's mass while not breaking the weak link in the chain, the joint connection between the two.

 

[CDNBear]

Go ahead big mouth, one post should do it. Prove the concept that sagging floor joists has the strength to pull on the outer and core column with enough force to break them. You support the official story, now back it up.

Pure obfuscation. At no time have I made such a claim.

Quote: The theory is the floor joists sagged and that pulled in the outer wall. A tiny steel floor joist that is so hot it cannot support it's own weight without sagging still has the strength to pull a steel column in that is 10x it's mass while not breaking the weak link in the chain, the joint connection between the two.

Yes, that is your claim...

Now, let's recap the questions you obviously can not answer...

Challenge 1. If you would like to debate me on steel at any time, feel free to start a thread so I can embarrass you yet again.

Question 1. What claims have I made that require proof?

Question 2. So by all means, please show your evidence that the floor should not have failed under the specific conditions it faced?

Question 3, and 4. Didn't you just assert with all confidence that it is impossible? In the process question my knowledge of steel?

Question 5. Do you know what 4" mesh looks like?

In addition to...

Now, how does that chart relate to the downing of the WTC?

What is the chart saying?

What do you think it proves?

And what was NIST's purpose for submitting that test to UL?

Now, if you want to accept my challenge on steel, which of course was levied in responce to this absurdity...

Depending on if you support this particular part or not says a lot about your knowledge of steel in the most basic sense.

not conspiracy stupidity, please feel free to do so, in another thread.

 

[MHz]

"Quoting MHz Go ahead big mouth, one post should do it. Prove the concept that sagging floor joists has the strength to pull on the outer and core column with enough force to break them. You support the official story, now back it up.
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Pure obfuscation. At no time have I made such a claim. "
It's the official story, back it up or go away.

 

[CDNBear]

"Quoting MHz Go ahead big mouth, one post should do it. Prove the concept that sagging floor joists has the strength to pull on the outer and core column with enough force to break them. You support the official story, now back it up.
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Pure obfuscation. At no time have I made such a claim. "
It's the official story, back it up or go away.

Still can't answer the questions mhz? Your argument is falling apart...:lol:

Let's recap again, what it is you can not answer, just so we're clear...

Question 1. What claims have I made that require proof?

Question 2. So by all means, please show your evidence that the floor should not have failed under the specific conditions it faced?

Question 3, and 4. Didn't you just assert with all confidence that it is impossible? In the process question my knowledge of steel?

Question 5. Do you know what 4" mesh looks like?

Preceded by...

Now, how does that chart relate to the downing of the WTC?

What is the chart saying?

What do you think it proves?

And what was NIST's purpose for submitting that test to UL?.

You can either answer them or you can't. If you fail to answer them, you fail in supporting your claims and your argument is void.

At no time have I made any claims relating to the "Official story". You have made all the claims, I am merely asking for you to back them up. You haven't, you have actually gone out of your way to obfuscate and deviate the topic.

Either concede that you can not support your claims or I will simply keep posing the same questions to you. That will undoubted prove to anyone watching, that your position is vacuous, without merit and you have no credibility.

 

[MHz]

Why are all Bear's posts blank?

 

[CDNBear]

Why are all Bear's posts blank?

That's a funny one...

Still can't answer the questions eh?

 

[CDNBear]

And just so we're sure we're clear on where things stand. These are the question you can not answer, they merely follow a litany of other questions you have failed to address in countless posts, in countless threads...

Question 1. What claims have I made that require proof?

Question 2. So by all means, please show your evidence that the floor should not have failed under the specific conditions it faced?

Question 3, and 4. Didn't you just assert with all confidence that it is impossible? In the process question my knowledge of steel?

Question 5. Do you know what 4" mesh looks like?

Now, how does that chart relate to the downing of the WTC?

What is the chart saying?

What do you think it proves?

And what was NIST's purpose for submitting that test to UL?

Please feel free to actually answer each question directly mhz.

 

[MHz]

Where would be the best place to start a thread about the strength of iron in this example? (for next year when I take Bear off ignore)

Re:2:27:
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron;
as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
even as I received of my Father.

 

[AnnaG]

Same as it was on the last time we covered this very same part. If you can't remember then go back and reread the thread. That person who did the examination of wtc7 in a link just posted, I take his word over you, eaglet and baby bear, if you can't follow his presentation then you should go to another thread and stay off the conspiracy ones.

I'll view it sometime or other. So what this guy says in his spiel is what your theory is?

Can you three also do the 'Who's on first?' bit?

That's a DIalogue. "Di" is a prefix meaning 2. There are 3 of us. Can't you count? Or do you only have 1 finger?

Your admiration would be worth what if I don't consider any of you as being very important in any way,shape or form.

It's mutual. You are just a toy.

At least your motivation is clear. lol If you can't figure out what the holes are yourself then why demand it in others? lol

Which holes? There are quite a few in the official tale and your little C&Ps also have quite a few.

 

[CDNBear]

Where would be the best place to start a thread about the strength of iron in this example? (for next year when I take Bear off ignore)

Re:2:27:
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron;
as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:
even as I received of my Father.

When you can't back it up, put them on ignore...

No worries mhz, I'll continue to hold you to the candle, oh wait, I found something better...



I see through you!!!

So the questions go unanswered...

Challenge 1. If you would like to debate me on steel at any time, feel free to start a thread so I can embarrass you yet again.

Question 1. What claims have I made that require proof?

Question 2. So by all means, please show your evidence that the floor should not have failed under the specific conditions it faced?

Question 3, and 4. Didn't you just assert with all confidence that it is impossible? In the process question my knowledge of steel?

Question 5. Do you know what 4" mesh looks like?

And lets not forget the week old ones...

Now, how does that chart relate to the downing of the WTC?

What is the chart saying?

What do you think it proves?

And what was NIST's purpose for submitting that test to UL?

Please feel free to actually answer each question directly mhz.

Yep, we'll all see through you mhz...

 

[darkbeaver]

The garbage loving omnivorous wanabee debunking inquisitor is spanked again.

 

[CDNBear]

The garbage loving omnivorous wanabee debunking inquisitor is spanked again.

Supercilious rhetoric aside, I beg to differ. Since I'm not the one hiding behind the iggy button.

How are you today beave?

 

[darkbeaver]

Supercilious rhetoric aside, I beg to differ. Since I'm not the one hiding behind the iggy button.

How are you today beave?

Thanx for asking, I am cranky it is wet and cold with slush on the bloody ground and the flowers that got sucked in last month while the weather was much better. All of my bones hurt and I have a cold and it is all your fault.;-)

 

[CDNBear]

Thanx for asking, I am cranky it is wet and cold with slush on the bloody ground and the flowers that got sucked in last month while the weather was much better. All of my bones hurt and I have a cold and it is all your fault.;-)

:lol:...hope you feel better soon Beav.

 

[darkbeaver]

:lol:...hope you feel better soon Beav.

Thank -you where are the flowers and chocolate you cheap basturd.

 

[CDNBear]

Thank -you where are the flowers and chocolate you cheap basturd.

Oh...for that we'd have to get real personal, lol.

 

[MHz]

I'll view it sometime or other. So what this guy says in his spiel is what your theory is?

For the structural failure of WTC7 sure he covers the material I still question and I hope he has the opportunity to to do his own investigation as he would seem to know how to plug in the numbers.
A new toy for you Anna, lol
Now if somebody can supply the heating rate of thermite at various. Perhaps the model posted above could be done front different angles to see if the plane could have taken it down, even two on the same building has flt 93 also been targeting one of the towers, like the very top of the tower that was hit second would likely tip it over without a fire and the NY would become domino city with 10's or more buildings damaged past repair. (the above is speculation as the destination of flt 93 is unknown at the moment)

It will save me a whole bunch of time to discard your 'toy' posts. lol See below for the details.

 

[MHz]

Thanx for asking, I am cranky it is wet and cold with slush on the bloody ground and the flowers that got sucked in last month while the weather was much better. All of my bones hurt and I have a cold and it is all your fault.;-)

Whose blood on the ground and does it have anything to do with your aches?

 

[CDNBear]

Now if somebody can supply the heating rate of thermite at various.

Various what?

Perhaps the model posted above

What model?

See below for the details.

See what below where? What?

Which only compounds that other questions still unanswered...

Question 1. What claims have I made that require proof?

Question 2. So by all means, please show your evidence that the floor should not have failed under the specific conditions it faced?

Question 3, and 4. Didn't you just assert with all confidence that it is impossible? In the process question my knowledge of steel?

Question 5. Do you know what 4" mesh

Now, how does that chart relate to the downing of the WTC?

What is the chart saying?

What do you think it proves?

And what was NIST's purpose for submitting that test to UL?

Please feel free to actually answer each question directly mhz.