84 killed in deadliest wildfire

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84 Australians died in a deadly series of wildfires that wiped out whole towns.
In the deadliest fire disaster in Australia's history, towering flames have destroyed entire towns and killed at least 84 people, including some who were burned as they tried to escape by car, authorities said Sunday.

84 killed in deadliest-ever Australian wildfires
 

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This is not the first time this has happened. In 1983 wildfires in Australia killed 75 people and in 1939 fires killed 71. I wonder if it's anything like California where dry underbrush builds up over a few years to the point where a spark sets off an inferno that burns hundreds of homes.
 

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Man in conflict with nature.... Here, we have jackpine whose cones never open until exposed to fire. Sagebrush regenerates in the same way. Man just wasn't meant to have roots....

The scary part is, here in my little Shangrila, the bush floor is littered with well aged deadfall. The environmentalists have had their way so it stays where it lays. One lightning strike in a dry spell and....
 
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Australian wildfire death toll rises to 141


Family members comfort each other in Marysville, north of Melbourne, on Monday.

'It's mass murder,' says Australian PM of suspected arson
Australian wildfire death toll rises to 141

Authorities in Australia are treating some fire-scorched areas as crime scenes Monday amid allegations of arson as the death toll from the blazes increased to at least 141.

Investigators say some of the hundreds of fires that tore across Victoria state may have been deliberately set. Firefighters found bodies in cars of people who had tried to flee the fast-moving fires, while others were found in their homes.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, visibly upset during a television interview Monday, reflected national disgust at the idea the fires were started by arson.

"What do you say … about anyone like that? What do you say? " Rudd said. "There's no words to describe it, other than it's mass murder."

Roughly 750 houses have been destroyed and 2,200 square kilometres of land charred by the fires, which continue to burn across Victoria and neighbouring New South Wales states.

Police have sealed off Marysville, a town destroyed by fire, telling residents who fled and news crews they could not enter because there were still bodies in the streets. Armed police moved through the shattered landscape taking notes, news photographs showed.

The town of Kinglake, north of Melbourne, was also razed by the fires. One resident, Christopher Harvey, told Reuters the charred remains of the town looked like Hiroshima, the Japanese city hit by a nuclear bomb during the Second World War.

Harvey said people were dead in their houses and animal carcasses are all over the roads.

Death toll will rise: official

Christine Nixon, the chief police commissioner of Victoria state, said Monday some areas are being treated as crime scenes and that an arson task force will likely be established. She also warned the death toll will rise.

"We're expecting that we may find more people as we gain access to different parts of where the fires have been, and we think we may well find more who have died," said Nixon.

"What we've seen, I think, is that people didn't have enough time, in some cases. We're finding [bodies] on the side of roads, in cars that crashed."

Victoria police Sr. Const. Wayne Wilson said the death toll increased to at least 141 on Monday.

"One of our leading politicians described it as hell on earth and that doesn't fall short of the mark," said Wilson.

Wilson said he's been shocked by aerial photos of the fires.

"Towns that used to exist, that don't exist anymore … everything is rubble. Nothing left," he said.

Countries offer firefighting help

Tony Bearzatto, the state duty officer with the Country Fire Association, said it's especially tough for firefighters working in their own neighbourhoods.

"Finding their neighbours and colleagues that have perished is very tragic and very difficult," he said. "We have to provide as much support to them as we can in the way of counselling."

Bearzatto said offers of help have come from around the world, including "the United States, New Zealand and other countries." He didn't specify if Canadian firefighters have offered their assistance.

Firefighters have some of the blazes under control, he said, but noted progress depends on weather conditions in the days ahead. Record high temperatures, dry bushland and high winds have helped fan the flames.

"While the temperatures are going to increase slightly, we're not looking at the severe conditions we've just had. But the wind could still create some concerns and accelerate or flare those fires up again."

Bearzatto said many fast-moving, smaller fires joined together to become larger blazes.

"They were so ferocious that you couldn't actually attack the fire directly," he said. "We put a lot of efforts into trying to protect assets, but even then it was so ferocious, you couldn't afford to get in the way."

One fire in Victoria state was as tall as a four-storey building, said Reuters.

Even though wildfires are an annual occurrence in Australia, Bearzatto said this year is especially tough.

"It's something that, of this size and magnitude, hasn't been experienced in Australia before. We have had some very large fires, but nothing as devastating as this, with the conditions that we have," he said. "It's very traumatic for everyone."

It's indeed pretty damn horrible... my fiancé is from there and she's been following the reports since it started.

I sure as hope the bastard(s) who started this are executed.... if there wasn't a reason to bring back the death penalty, there is now.

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130 people dead, 750 homes destroyed in worst bushfires in Australia's history | National News | News.com.au







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Victoria's killer fires | NEWS.com.au#
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I'm also a bit nervous .My my brother and his family including our mother live in Snowy Little Creek ,Eskdale area .Was talking to my brother on the mobile ; he prays that the wind won't change its direction.He said that the the inferno is on the other side of the hills.Cant sleep ,just reading the reports on the line .
 

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I'm also a bit nervous .My my brother and his family including our mother live in Snowy Little Creek ,Eskdale area .Was talking to my brother on the mobile ; he prays that the wind won't change its direction.He said that the the inferno is on the other side of the hills.Cant sleep ,just reading the reports on the line .

My GF has a couple of cousins who are currently fighting the fires and one of her uncles works as a lookout in one of the towers in the area. Certainly a tragedy.

One of the big issues going on, is that a few online elsewhere are claiming this is due to global warming and all that crap.... when my GF said that over the years, those same nature nuts have put up protest of the government doing controlled fires and selective clear cutting of dead wooded areas, because "It's not natural"

They've been forced to limit how much they do each year, which is also probably a very good reason why the fire has gotten so out of hand, because they haven't been able to clear out as much dead wood as they probably should.

Hopefully they can get some quick additional help from elsewhere to get this under control faster.

The really odd thing about all this is that in the northern area of Australia, they're suffering from major flooding.
 

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There is already a topic dealing with this. Do we have to have multiple topics on the same subject.
 

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sadly, every year some arsehole(s) go around setting fires.....I remember them catching 2 firefighters one year setting fires.
 

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There is already a topic dealing with this. Do we have to have multiple topics on the same subject.

I looked through the news section but didn't see it.... you didn't even provide a link in your post.... I can't read friggin minds you know..... if there is one, show me where?

Clearly if there was one, it was put in the wrong section or it was pushed way back in the news section to be even noticed.

Excuse me all to hell.

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And geez, considering we just went through 15 or so different threads on Israel and Gaza, or the Conservative Budget/Coalition.... I would think 2 Threads about this wouldn't be such a big issue.
 

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I looked through the news section but didn't see it.... you didn't even provide a link in your post.... I can't read friggin minds you know..... if there is one, show me where?

Clearly if there was one, it was put in the wrong section or it was pushed way back in the news section to be even noticed.

Excuse me all to hell.

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And geez, considering we just went through 15 or so different threads on Israel and Gaza, or the Conservative Budget/Coalition.... I would think 2 Threads about this wouldn't be such a big issue.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/81832-84-killed-deadliest-wildfire.html

All you have to do is look.
 

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Which I did.... three different times. I past it a couple of times because the title wasn't very discriptive as to what wildfires, and where.

If you wish, feel free to merge this thread into that thread, it doesn't matter to me. Due to it's low number (considering) and the numbers listed to me around last thursday, I didn't consider it to be the same story and I was wondering why nobody was talking about it yet.

It'd be nice if people would be a bit more descriptive of the topic within the topic headers, esspecially in the news section.

If a header doesn't catch my attention, I won't visit it.

Once again, excuse me and my mistake.
 

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Related Update:



Strathewen wiped off the map in Victoria fires
Strathewen wiped off the map in Victoria fires | Victoria | News.com.au

FIREFIGHTERS have declared the tiny township of Strathewen the Valley of Death.

It has been wiped off the map - its identity sucked into a vortex of flames that did not discriminate, wreaking havoc across the Kinglake region.

Only the chimneys and charcoal ruins of the town's 40 homes remain, colourless except for strands of blue and white crime scene tape marking the final resting places of several residents.

About 200 people lived in Strathewen, but only a few stayed behind, refusing to leave because they wouldn't get back through the roadblocks, the Herald Sun reports.

CFA crews yesterday began cleaning up the roads and coroner's office staff started to search houses for victims.

Twenty-six people died here, three said to be from one family. But residents say the toll will grow as authorities sift through the ashes.

They say three people were found in a bath, hoping the water would save them from the searing heat.

A bridge that was their only escape route was damaged as the inferno roared through the once-pristine valley.

Two burnt-out car shells mark the panicked last moments of at least two residents who knew only too late they couldn't outrun the fire.

The school, which lost at least one of its young pupils in the carnage, buckled under the firestorm in a hellish few minutes.

The Herald Sun found the body of a man in his 30s in a white Toyota delivery van.


The van was parked only a metre in front of a four-wheel drive that was incinerated. Locals say the wife of the van driver was in that vehicle.

Peter Avola, 67, is one of the confirmed deaths. He and his wife Mary, 67, drove to the footy oval as the firestorm bore down.

When he found the gates locked, he ran into a paddock and screamed at his wife to drive to a neighbour's house.

She made it, he didn't.


It is still unknown if old-timer Jack Powell survived. A neighbour who fled said Mr Powell, 95, suffered severe burns to his arms and paramedics were unable to reach him because the bridge was out.

Ironically, the only structure left standing in town is the new fire station.
 

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As of right now on Global National, it's 173

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They are saying there are a lot of patients they are not probably going to survive, along with the fact that there are many towns and locations where they have yet to scour, the death toll is going to be a heck of a lot higher then it is now.
 

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Victoria fires: 181 dead, towns ruined, police chase arsonists
Victoria fires: 181 dead, towns ruined, police chase arsonists | National | News.com.au

MORE than 50 bodies lying in Melbourne's morgue may never be identified, Premier John Brumby says.

Authorities fear many bodies would have been burnt beyond recognition and others will never be retrieved from the ashes spread over 360,000 hectares of devastation across Victoria.

Premier John Brumby revealed tonight's confirmed toll of 181 deaths would rise to over 200.

"There's still a large number of people - in excess of 50 who are unconfirmed and essentially these are people who the coroner believes are already deceased, but are not yet identified,'' Mr Brumby said.

Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine director Professor Stephen Cordner said identification would be impossible to achieve in some cases.

Arson

Police are continuing to hunt down the arsonist believed to be responsible for lighting one of the worst of the Victoria fires.

Police have confirmed that they believe they know the identity of the man who allegedly contributed to the Churchill-Jeeralang blaze in Gippsland. Twenty-one people have died in the region.

But the Country Fire Authority said the firefront could have included towns further north, including Kinglake, St Andrews and Strathewen, where dozens more died in the firestorm.

Police said they could release a photo of the suspect in the next couple of days. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has likened lighting the blazes to mass murder, and tonight said arsonists should "rot in jail".

Twenty-four fires were still burning and towns remained under threat as authorities moved deeper into the ruins of more than 700 homes which were lost.

Digging deep

Public donations for fire victims have topped $30 million in just two days in an unprecedented outpouring of generosity and community spirit.

A total of $28 million has been donated to the 2009 Victorian Bushfire Fund, which doesn't include corporate and government donations.

"It is incredible," Salvation Army media director Pat Daley said.

"It's never happened like this before. It surpasses everything, the tsunami, Cyclone Tracy."

Mr Brumby has vowed to rebuild the razed communities, but as the toll mounts the grim fates of many residents are becoming clearer. Thirty-five people died in Kinglake alone, while 22 deaths had been confirmed in St Andrews out of a population of just 1500.

Strathewen, with only 200 people prior to the bushfires, had lost 30 residents in the last official count. Firefighters dubbed the tiny town the "Valley of Death". A bridge out of town was damaged, leaving those still there as the firestorm swept through with little chance of survival.

Three bodies were found crowded in a bath. The victims may have hoped the water would save them but instead it would have boiled in the intense heat.

Further north, in Flowerdale, residents consider themselves the forgotten town. While authorities have been working their way into other towns, Flowerdale's survivors have been left to cope on their own.

"It's like we got left off the map. A lot of the locals are really upset. It kind of felt very lonely, as if we didn't f---ing exist," one angry resident told The Australian, whose reporters were the first into the town since Saturday night.

Morgue

Earlier, a temporary morgue was set up at Victoria's State Coronial Services Centre to accommodate the mounting toll of victims. Coroner Jennifer Coate said 101 victims had already been received into the facility.

She said the makeshift morgue was similar to the one set up during the London terrorist bombings. "We at the State Coronial Services Centre have an enormous and complex task ahead of us."

Concerned relatives were using the Herald Sun's bushfire message board to post pleas for information about the whereabouts of loved ones. Some had been reunited, while for others the agonising wait for news remained.

Tough work

Hundreds of reinforcement firefighters were heading from interstate to relieve crews which had been working nearly non-stop since the emergency began.

The army now has more than 460 defence force personnel working alongside emergency services. An additional 170 are playing a search role.

"They face the task of finding dead bodies and that's happening on a regular basis," Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon said.

"One reservists came across six bodies last evening."

"This is really challenging work. These are civilian volunteers and it's a reminder to the broader community of the important role our reservists play in the Australian Defence Force," he said.

Bushfire policy

Mr Brumby said yesterday a royal commission would be held into the fires and the bushfire policy that promoted either leaving early or staying to defend your property.

"I think our policy has served us well in what I call normal conditions," Mr Brumby said last night.

"These are unbelievable circumstances."

In Marysville, Mr Brumby said it looked as though a bomb had gone off in the once picturesque town.

"I have never seen anything like this in my life. It is a mixture of fire, hurricane and cyclone - houses, trees just snapped in half."

For the first time, Mr Brumby linked the fires to global warming: "There's clear evidence now that the climate is becoming more extreme."
 

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Bam! I think the sh*t just hit the fan:

'Greenies' blamed for fires' fury
'Greenies' blamed for fires' fury - Yahoo!7 News

Why did so many people die? Did people get enough warning? Should authorities have forced people to leave their homes?

These questions and many more will be asked as the full extent of Australia's worst bushfires becomes clear.

And hard questions will be asked of Victoria's Department of Sustainability and Environment (DSE) about whether it has done enough to manage the state's forests.

Tinder-dry forests were consumed with a fury few people have witnessed before, and many people are angry there was so much fuel to burn.

As nervous Yarra Valley residents watched smoke rise from a fire on Mount Riddell outside Healesville, they placed at least some of the blame at the feet of the "greenies".

"I don't know if it's the DSE's fault," said Badger Creek resident John Hurren.

"It's the greenies' fault for letting all the forests grow up and not letting the Government clear it."

A Healesville woman, who wished to remain anonymous, said she had first-hand experience of the problem.

"I used to work with Melbourne Water back in 2002, and we wanted to clear away a lot of the fuel," she said.

"During winter when the leaves fell and you could get in and see the fuel, all we could do was bulldoze the leaves and fuel down off the side of the road."

"We wanted to clear the leaves and get rid of the forests, but the greenies think because it's on the ground it should stay."

Victoria may have faced the worst bushfire conditions in its history over the weekend. High temperatures, strong winds and low humidity produced tinder-box conditions.

But in months to come, it may emerge that more aggressive forest clearing policy could have saved lives.

Sent to me by my GF...

A co-worker of mine said this morning similar things are occuring here in Canada too. Where she lives there have been a crap load of trees that died from the spruce bud worm problem we had in the last couple of years..... they have yet been allowed to clear much of that dead wood, which has been sitting around and drying out more and more each year. There are still thousands of trees that have yet to be properly cleared and removed from Hurricane Juan.... this whole place is building up to being a box of matches here in NS..... and I bet it's similar accross the country.