5 Armed Forces members disrupted Indigenous event on Canada Day

Corduroy

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The problem with the "might makes right" argument is that it never truly settles what is right because more violence can always be done. You can't punch someone in face and say "OK, now you have to do what I say because I punched you in the face. First order: don't punch me in the face."

Saying "we run this country because we won the war" justifies retaliatory violence. If violence justifies rule then violence can overthrow rule.
 

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I wasn't being snide. I'm serious. These 'Proud Boys' are a transnational fascist movement. No military should have these kinds of fifth column elements in them.

So you don't want to see proud mixed raced Canadian's in the Military, remember 2 were indigenous themselves, and the founder is married to a Native woman and they have 2 kids.
 

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Are you responding to me? I don't see how that follows from anything I said and yet you're quoting me. You must have meant to quote someone else, right?
 

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Are you responding to me? I don't see how that follows from anything I said and yet you're quoting me. You must have meant to quote someone else, right?

If this isn't what you wrote
I'm serious. These 'Proud Boys' are a transnational fascist movement. No military should have these kinds of fifth column elements in them.
or you were being sarcastic then I was not responding to you, and I apologize.
 

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I was being serious. It's just that your comment doesn't seem connected.

I said the military shouldn't have fifth column organizations within it.
I don't understand how that leads to your reply "So you don't want to see proud mixed raced Canadian's in the Military".
 

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I was being serious. It's just that your comment doesn't seem connected.

I said the military shouldn't have fifth column organizations within it.
I don't understand how that leads to your reply "So you don't want to see proud mixed raced Canadian's in the Military".

I guess I just do not understand what direction you are taking with the neo fascist and fifth element comment
 

Corduroy

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I guess I just do not understand what direction you are taking with the neo fascist and fifth element comment

Fifth column, not fifth element.

 

Twin_Moose

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Fifth column, not fifth element.

Whatever

The Proud Boys: Small, retrograde, disruptive


McInnes insists the Proud Boys are just a bunch of lads who like to share a brew or two in a club — away from their wives.
With the rise of feminism in the 1980s, men have stopped getting together to form bonds at social clubs, McInnes said.
"So we started bringing it back, and there was a huge demand for it," he said, insisting the group does not tolerate racism or homophobia. "Almost overnight, there were chapters all over the world."
The group now has about 3,000 members, he said.
Initiation rites accorded with higher status include getting a tattoo, abstaining from masturbation for a month and "getting into a major fight for the cause."
McInnes said he isn't advocating violence. He said the group has been forced to take steps to protect their members at rallies where brawls with anti-fascist protesters have become common.
"We get attacked every day just for wearing (Make America Great Again) hats," he said, referring to Trump's campaign slogan.
As for the masturbation clause, McInnes said it started off a joke. But in the process of abstaining, he said he started thinking about how better he felt, and how pornography has had a detrimental affect on the institution of marriage.
Sommer said the Proud Boys are tapping into a notion that young, white men are being oppressed by feminists.
The group advocates for a return to a 1950s sense of traditional gender roles. Among the 10 tenets of the Proud Boys is: "Venerate the housewife."
"You hear that a lot as a young man: that masculinity is gross and the West is evil, and you start to believe it," McInnes said. "(The West) doesn't deserve any of the abuse it's getting."
The Proud Boys' libertarian code also includes: advocating for the closure of all prisons; giving everyone a gun; legalizing drugs; ending welfare; closing the borders to immigrants; outlawing censorship; glorifying entrepreneurs; recognizing "the West is the best;" and "shutting down the government."

McInnes, who made a point of mentioning that his wife and three children are registered Ho-Chunk native Americans, said the actions of the Proud Boys club in Halifax, which includes only about five members, were unfairly depicted by the media.
He suggested that the Aboriginal mourning ceremony was actually an "anti-Canada Day celebration," which among other things included two people holding up an upside down Canadian flag with the word "decolonize" written on it.
"So, you're telling these servicemen, who are willing to die for the flag, that their country doesn't exist," said McInnes, referring to the fact that the group was told they were on unceded Mi'kmaq territory. "These guys didn't know it was meant to be a religious ceremony."
 

DaSleeper

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TM.....You will eventually get better at recognizing the word parsers in this forum when they run out of logic and you will either answer them once and then drop it, or ignore them altogether....
Or else you will get the feeling of a dog chasing it's tail...:lol: