$40B profit for EXXON last year, while Harper is happy to collect the gas tax.

[#juan]

I agree with this 100%. Somebody needs to drive the price back down.

This isn't a conservative vs. liberal problem and it shouldn't be. I am right of center and I find no joy paying $40+ to fill my tank each week and reading news that it could go even higher. Do you think people who tend to be conservative and vote that way like the idea of getting screwed by a crowd that posts 40 billion in profits and have 7 figure salaries?

Eagle the oil companies have been engineering these price increases for the last ten years. Recently the price increases for a barrel of oil have accelerated. We've gone from about $70 a barrel to a hundred and thirty in a very short time but there is no evidence that the real costs of a barrel of oil have gone up at all. They sure as hell haven't doubled. That is made obvious by the obscene profits the oil companies are making. It will be very difficult to roll the prices back in the face of all the political money the oil companies have spent/are spending without direct government intervention and it could get really ugly.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I don't think either party could stop this hike in prices. The Democrats are in power here in the US and they can't do a thing. Heck even OPEC says they have a surplus of oil and it is not their fault that speculators and hedgers are driving costs.

Eagle Smack, I am not able to except that the new kid on the block are the futures traders. We are talking about energy which is interconnected to people’s lively hoods. The federal government in Canada or the US should not allow people’s life’s fall in to the hands of a bunch of greedy idiots like the future traders. For all you and I know these losers could be citizens of other nations while they drive the cost of energy to unaffordable heights while the North American economy is brought to its knees and while the traders are making unfair profits. Neither Government yours or ours should not allow these to go on. The blowing up of oil wells in Algeria or Nigeria could be targeted with future trader interests.

Bottom line North America has strong oil reserves and these losers in our federal Government must protect the Canadian Economy.
Should this go on as they predict $200 per barrel we will see business close and peoples life’s will be place in the hands of a bunch of greedy scum bags like the future trader, the oil executive who gets paid $32,000 per day to get out of bed and hurt everyday hard working people who’s life are dependent in a small pay cheque.

 

[Lester]

I wonder if oil can be provincialized, somewhat loke Nationalized but on a provincial level?
(braces for name calling)

 

[EagleSmack]

Eagle the oil companies have been engineering these price increases for the last ten years. Recently the price increases for a barrel of oil have accelerated. We've gone from about $70 a barrel to a hundred and thirty in a very short time but there is no evidence that the real costs of a barrel of oil have gone up at all. They sure as hell haven't doubled. That is made obvious by the obscene profits the oil companies are making. It will be very difficult to roll the prices back in the face of all the political money the oil companies have spent/are spending without direct government intervention and it could get really ugly.

I don't know much about the details of how oil prices skyrocketed but I do know that the oil companies could give two beans on the reasons whether they had control or not. They are just looking at their profits sail with dreams of new houses and yachts dancing in their heads.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I don't know much about the details of how oil prices skyrocketed but I do know that the oil companies could give two beans on the reasons whether they had control or not. They are just looking at their profits sail with dreams of new houses and yachts dancing in their heads.

It is sickening to see an oils executive get paid $32.000 per day $4000 per hour to help his boss make $40B these greedy scum will carry the hardship of ordinary people to their F CKING GRAVES.

 

[Risus]

The truth here is, these costs for fuel to go to work and back at these out rages prices per litter it is only a matter of time before an economic collapse will take place. Europe can pay stupid prices this is Canada and we have billions of litters of oil in our reserves. The Cons are on the avenue of opportunity which will come back to hunt them.

And you think the liberals would be doing things differently? LOL, you are mistaken.

And its obvious you don't understand how oil pricing works, so quit ranting...

 

[gerryh]

I'm still waiting to hear what you think the cons should be doing about the rising prices.

 

[MHz]

I'm still waiting to hear what you think the cons should be doing about the rising prices.

We should ask for floating wages and the get a lot of 'put options' and that should drive our wages even higher. Limit corporate profit to a single digit figure that is 3% or less and send that extra money back to the roots of the money tree. That might cause mass suicide for the very, very rich but then each person who 'worked' would be his own Corp., with all the perks, and lots of money for non work related time.

At least that way we go out with a bang, if there is such a thing.

 

[Lester]

I know couriers are allowed to claim all their gas, how about a 40% deduction.

 

[data]

What do we do when the price per gallon hits ten dollars.

You can feel like me. I pay 10,9 US-$ per gallon petrol. Diesel was already higher.

Should that happen we will see oil tankers being escorted by the army through the cities, gas stations may have guards with guns in order to protect its employees, it will become a total f mess.

We see no requirement (police or army) to guard any petrol station. What kind of people you are in the socalled Canadian democracy? You vote for politicans and relations in power, only to get violent in their dismantling. What kind of game is that?

Do you think people who tend to be conservative and vote that way like the idea of getting screwed by a crowd that posts 40 billion in profits and have 7 figure salaries?

Yes. That's exactly, what the conservatices also here in Germany do (christ democrats). 10 years ago they bought the whole leadership of the oposing Social Democratic Party, before they overtook government. Only it's candidate for chancellorship and later minister of finance, the until then long time governor of Saarland Oskar LaFontaine escaped and mixes up the political landscape in Germany, since he co-founded the new "Left".

 

[Socrates the Greek]

And you think the liberals would be doing things differently? LOL, you are mistaken.

And its obvious you don't understand how oil pricing works, so quit ranting...

HEY FROM F CKING OPEC TO THE F CKING OIL EXECUTIVE, TO THE F CKING GOOFS PRESENTLY IN OTTAWA IT IS A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM. This is not a rant when the economy suffers while some F CKING GREEDY SCUM BAG IS EATING WITH 10 MOUTHS. I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OIL PRICING?
WHAT DO YOU DO STEAL YOUR GAS?

 

[Lester]

The only way to reduce the price of gas is to reduce consumption, increase supply or nationalize the oil industry- In a grilling of oil executives by a House panel yesterday, Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., threatened to nationalize the industry if it didn't do something about the rising prices at the pump. Lowering taxes is foolhardy the oil companies will just raise prices again to fill the void.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

You can feel like me. I pay 10,9 US-$ per gallon petrol. Diesel was already higher.

We see no requirement (police or army) to guard any petrol station. What kind of people you are in the socalled Canadian democracy? You vote for politicans and relations in power, only to get violent in their dismantling. What kind of game is that?

Yes. That's exactly, what the conservatices also here in Germany do (christ democrats). 10 years ago they bought the whole leadership of the oposing Social Democratic Party, before they overtook government. Only it's candidate for chancellorship and later minister of finance, the until then long time governor of Saarland Oskar LaFontaine escaped and mixes up the political landscape in Germany, since he co-founded the new "Left".

Maybe in Germany you don’t, but here in North America we have seen gas station attendants get killed over $20 worth of gas. I don’t think your comment is fair about knocking our democracy.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

You can feel like me. I pay 10,9 US-$ per gallon petrol. Diesel was already higher.

We see no requirement (police or army) to guard any petrol station. What kind of people you are in the socalled Canadian democracy? You vote for politicans and relations in power, only to get violent in their dismantling. What kind of game is that?

Yes. That's exactly, what the conservatices also here in Germany do (christ democrats). 10 years ago they bought the whole leadership of the oposing Social Democratic Party, before they overtook government. Only it's candidate for chancellorship and later minister of finance, the until then long time governor of Saarland Oskar LaFontaine escaped and mixes up the political landscape in Germany, since he co-founded the new "Left".

Your comment to me makes me uncomfortable, German politics, and by the way the word politics can also mean (poli Greek word for many) and tics are as you know the little bags that stick to your skin and suck your blood) So Germany, doesn’t hold the light to morality or democracy for the rest of the world when it comes to fair government, so I would be cautious in taking out my bow and arrow so quick and start target shooting on the denigration trail. I am not sure of how knowledgeable you are about Canadian politics, but please allow me to say that we us Canadians have seen back, when Brian Mulroney was looking to compete for the top job as Prime minister of Canada, while your Government former Chancellor Helmut Kohl in a very agresive mode was looking desporetley to see that the Conservatives would get in and stuffed Karlheinz Schreiber’s pockets with heavy cash so he can have an influence on the out come of our election, while Germany secured bussiness contracts, that is wrong ….. These are the things we are mad about, and we vent by sharing this forum utilety. So, I welcome your partisepation but please except that our anger is not a game as you state above.

 

[data]

when Brian Mulroney was looking to compete for the top job as Prime minister of Canada, while your Government former Chancellor Helmut Kohl in a very agresive mode was looking desporetley to see that the Conservatives would get in and stuffed Karlheinz Schreiber’s pockets with heavy cash so he can have an influence on the out come of our election, while Germany secured bussiness contracts, that is wrong …

Can you provide a substantial link about this?
Wee still want Mr. Schreiber back, who was involved in armament and political black money and said once something like, if he starts talking, the political landscape of Germany wouldn't longer be the same.

Today ( 26.5.2008 ) a small manager of Siemens confessed, that he got order to transfer 53 Mio. Euro via Cayman Islands to contact people in countries of interest to support decision makers with landscape preservation (throw the money in their way). He claims, since government and tax office inquiries about that money got always distracted, the top management (Heinrich von Pierer) must have known from his activities latest since 2004, about what he got strict instructions in a Munich pub, but never within company facilities.
Who wonders, that whole upper class generations (the bribarians) in Third World think, that is the God-given way to earn their luxurious living.
In Leipzig was founded a stock exchange specialized as competition place for energy trade in Germany. It turns out to be a manipulation center to push up prices by artificial shortages in market offers. Do you assume, with petrol it works more faithfull and transparent?

 

[L Gilbert]

Perhaps I should have read through the entire thread but I didn't. At any rate, There's no shortage of oil. In NorthAM there are over 200 BILLION BARRELS of PROVEN oil reserves. Saudo Arabia alone has 265 BILLION, who knows how much Russia has. These corporate usurpers are just plain greedy. Every single time they get the itch, they drop the rate of refining and create a "shortage". That is not the only trick they have, I was chatting with a friend who works in the biz and he said, "I work for one of the big oil companys and they are so full of sh|t, we have layed off so many of my co worker because they are cutting back..and they have put up posters every where at work say that they only make 22 cent profit per gallon because of the high cost of the fuel to deliver the fuel to the station........While I could go for hours, at least I figure I am looking forward to the we have ride bike and hores as I said shorty shorts and bike seat".
Governments won't do a damned thing except give the public lip service while more people will begin to starve, more people will not be able to get to work as easily, unemployed will not find work as easily, there will be an increase in medical problems, etc.
All just so the oil companies can pocket their meager billions in profits.

 

[dancing-loon]

Can you provide a substantial link about this?
We still want Mr. Schreiber back, who was involved in armament and political black money and said once something like, if he starts talking, the political landscape of Germany wouldn't longer be the same.

Hi, data;
you are right... I too remember Schreiber saying such! He also said something like he would be killed, because of what he knows and would/could reveal about some bigwigs in German politics, and perhaps industry.

I haven't heard much about him lately. Is he actually still sitting in jail here>

 

[MikeyDB]

How about the Canadian people work to have the "perks" of limousines and free air travel used by Canadian politicians reflect the dynamics of the real world as opposed to allowing these liars and thieves a "free-ride"..literally!

Politicians are out of touch with what's happening in this country and are wined and dined by the petroleum cartels, the pharmaceutical cartels, the transportation cartels etc. etc. and it's silly to believe that Stephen Harper or any Canadian politician can be in touch with the reality of life so long as they're pampered and placated by the wealthy.

A political office comes with some allowances and that's perfectly reasonable, what isn't reasonable is when the quality of life of those making decisions about the quality of life of the un-pampered and the un-placated forget the reality of their responsibilities.

 

[dancing-loon]

Today ( 26.5.2008 ) a small manager of Siemens confessed, that he got order to transfer 53 Mio. Euro via Cayman Islands to contact people in countries of interest to support decision makers with landscape preservation (throw the money in their way). He claims, since government and tax office inquiries about that money got always distracted, the top management (Heinrich von Pierer) must have known from his activities latest since 2004, about what he got strict instructions in a Munich pub, but never within company facilities.
Who wonders, that whole upper class generations (the bribarians) in Third World think, that is the God-given way to earn their luxurious living.

In Leipzig was founded a stock exchange specialized as competition place for energy trade in Germany. It turns out to be a manipulation center to push up prices by artificial shortages in market offers. Do you assume, with petrol it works more faithful and transparent?

My goodness, data, that sounds awful! I had no idea how corrupt German politicians were/are!! Is all this known to the people? Have things changed, for the better I should hope, since Merkel and her coalition got into power?

What I don't understand is what were those 53 mil for? Investment in Third World Countries?
What was the purpose of this?

 

[dancing-loon]

A political office comes with some allowances and that's perfectly reasonable, what isn't reasonable is when the quality of life of those making decisions about the quality of life of the un-pampered and the un-placated forget the reality of their responsibilities.

Hi, Mikey;
I have come to believe that most politicians wanted to become politicians for reasons other than doing their unselfish best for the good of all citizens. It has puzzled me since the beginning of my life in Canada WHY they call themselves public servants, when they get royally paid for the job they do? "Giving their life to public service, serving the public, a long life of service etc."

That sounded to me as making a sacrifice, doing something out of the goodness of their hearts, as if we humble mortals should be ever so thankful for their tireless dedication to serve us.

Have I been missing something, overlooked their dedicated golden hearts?