$40 billion for Booze, cigarette, and drug addicts?
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Governmental health care
While the concept is startlingly filled with good deeds and looks beatific to the rest of the world, one must consider that your most personal needs and necessaries are there - all laid out for the government's review any time they wish to read about you.
Just another measure of record keeping to monitor humans in the wonderful world of socialism....all tied up in benevolence.
Were any upstarts to veer of into private medical care for the few items of medical care they would prefer to keep "private" - it then opens the door for the goverment to have cause to insist on having copies of those "private" records as well, in order to maintain a complete picture of "citizen you".
If you start paying for only "good" health needs and exempt "bad" health needs - you will have truly crossed over into engineering of humans both alive and soon to be alive or soon to be dead.
I think there are other more appropriate names for it - tried by other governments in other black days of their histories.
Can you march in quickstep?
While the concept is startlingly filled with good deeds and looks beatific to the rest of the world, one must consider that your most personal needs and necessaries are there - all laid out for the government's review any time they wish to read about you.
Just another measure of record keeping to monitor humans in the wonderful world of socialism....all tied up in benevolence.
Were any upstarts to veer of into private medical care for the few items of medical care they would prefer to keep "private" - it then opens the door for the goverment to have cause to insist on having copies of those "private" records as well, in order to maintain a complete picture of "citizen you".
If you start paying for only "good" health needs and exempt "bad" health needs - you will have truly crossed over into engineering of humans both alive and soon to be alive or soon to be dead.
I think there are other more appropriate names for it - tried by other governments in other black days of their histories.
Can you march in quickstep?
Jay wrote:
There is a statement born of ignorance. All we have to do is look at the American experience to see where private health insurance takes us. In any case, this topic is about the high cost of addictions to alcohol, tobacco, and drugs.
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There is a statement born of ignorance. All we have to do is look at the American experience to see where private health insurance takes us. In any case, this topic is about the high cost of addictions to alcohol, tobacco, and drugs.
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There you have your answer Jay
Blame it on the American private health care system lol. Now there is ignorance for you. Everyone has their own choice here and while some make no choice at all, the people still pay for them.
I have had both American and Canadian health care benefits.
I value and respect both.
I guess Canadians have no idea how all the Mexican and other S.A. migrants are cared for at our own cost because they have no health care system, and cannot afford to pay the going rate. They are not turned away and are treated on an equal basis. Mexican birth takes up around 95% of the population growth in California and very few of those cases have any coverage at all. They are paid for and the health of the mother/child are insisted upon.
I prefer government just stay out of it and stop judging people by their infirmities so the medical profession can get on with what they are trained to do. What has money to do with health care anyway? Why can't people make their own decisions?
I now consistently compare my personal health care with one family member in Canada because we both have chronic illness which requires constant monitoring and medications and the U.S. health care system is constantly being degraded by Canadians.
She and I pay small co-payments for medicines and nothing for physical inspections and consultations. She pays extra for a few specialists considered non essential by the government but give her relief from her pain. When my husband died, I paid nothing except for a few last minute hysterical tests which were ordered to try to circumvent the outcome. These were minimal in cost. The V.A. have since picked up the tab after I paid it.
Juan the high cost of tobacco, alcohol, drugs, etc..... never ends...
People will always have addictions - even weight management has its problems - are we going to argue the skin cancers caused by exposure to the sun? Are we going to freak out over every man and woman who has picked up STD's (they are on the rise), what about HIV/AIDS? What about in-utero identified malformation? Do we pluck the fetus out to save future spending? What about cosmetic surgeries gone bad?
You start picking out favorites to remove and you will have activists hammering down the doors of government insisting their own illness should be included rather than thrown into the government's gutter.
Your American experience Juan is with one family - and you judge the whole nation on it.
Colby has already said it better than I.
Blame it on the American private health care system lol. Now there is ignorance for you. Everyone has their own choice here and while some make no choice at all, the people still pay for them.
I have had both American and Canadian health care benefits.
I value and respect both.
I guess Canadians have no idea how all the Mexican and other S.A. migrants are cared for at our own cost because they have no health care system, and cannot afford to pay the going rate. They are not turned away and are treated on an equal basis. Mexican birth takes up around 95% of the population growth in California and very few of those cases have any coverage at all. They are paid for and the health of the mother/child are insisted upon.
I prefer government just stay out of it and stop judging people by their infirmities so the medical profession can get on with what they are trained to do. What has money to do with health care anyway? Why can't people make their own decisions?
I now consistently compare my personal health care with one family member in Canada because we both have chronic illness which requires constant monitoring and medications and the U.S. health care system is constantly being degraded by Canadians.
She and I pay small co-payments for medicines and nothing for physical inspections and consultations. She pays extra for a few specialists considered non essential by the government but give her relief from her pain. When my husband died, I paid nothing except for a few last minute hysterical tests which were ordered to try to circumvent the outcome. These were minimal in cost. The V.A. have since picked up the tab after I paid it.
Juan the high cost of tobacco, alcohol, drugs, etc..... never ends...
People will always have addictions - even weight management has its problems - are we going to argue the skin cancers caused by exposure to the sun? Are we going to freak out over every man and woman who has picked up STD's (they are on the rise), what about HIV/AIDS? What about in-utero identified malformation? Do we pluck the fetus out to save future spending? What about cosmetic surgeries gone bad?
You start picking out favorites to remove and you will have activists hammering down the doors of government insisting their own illness should be included rather than thrown into the government's gutter.
Your American experience Juan is with one family - and you judge the whole nation on it.
Colby has already said it better than I.
Jay
I can't sacrifice my truths can I? My writing was painted as ignorant. Should I remain silent or ?
I can only write what I know to be my own experience and I have been on both health care systems and used them on a regular basis. I find very little differences between the two.
I also dislike some people being adjudged more worthy of a treatment within a public health care system than others.
What I don't understand is why people cannot choose to have their own medical care to supplement ? Wouldn't this loosen the
financial constraints for those who have to use the public system?
I can't sacrifice my truths can I? My writing was painted as ignorant. Should I remain silent or ?
I can only write what I know to be my own experience and I have been on both health care systems and used them on a regular basis. I find very little differences between the two.
I also dislike some people being adjudged more worthy of a treatment within a public health care system than others.
What I don't understand is why people cannot choose to have their own medical care to supplement ? Wouldn't this loosen the
financial constraints for those who have to use the public system?
Okay Jay,
Your statement about the government letting us buy our own health insurance. Where do you propose to buy that insurance? Not in Canada, because it doesn't exist. Do you really want the American system? Do you really want an insurance company accountant telling you what treatments you can have? Over half my family is in the states and the horror stories I get are frightening. In the U.S. they pay more per capita on health care than we do but they don't have the coverage. I didn't want this to evolve into a battle over the relative merits of our respective health care systems because they are apples and oranges.
Your statement about the government letting us buy our own health insurance. Where do you propose to buy that insurance? Not in Canada, because it doesn't exist. Do you really want the American system? Do you really want an insurance company accountant telling you what treatments you can have? Over half my family is in the states and the horror stories I get are frightening. In the U.S. they pay more per capita on health care than we do but they don't have the coverage. I didn't want this to evolve into a battle over the relative merits of our respective health care systems because they are apples and oranges.
I don't really buy into any of the reasons socialists use to take rights away....I'm well beyond that. I want to help the poor, not use them as a political tool to buy votes with and keep others down.
The merits of "moral police" in the health system have already been brought up in this thread. So in any case if you have addictions or don't wear your seat belt we might deny healthcare because it's in the "moral police's" grasp...but hey, have all the abortions you want! :lol:
The merits of "moral police" in the health system have already been brought up in this thread. So in any case if you have addictions or don't wear your seat belt we might deny healthcare because it's in the "moral police's" grasp...but hey, have all the abortions you want! :lol:
Re: Right to Life Inviolate
I would suggest that any attempts to restrict care from persons with addictions would result in the overturning of any such legislation by the Supreme Court of Canada were such an Act ever to be fought by a citizen (which would indeed occur).
I would suggest that any attempts to restrict care from persons with addictions would result in the overturning of any such legislation by the Supreme Court of Canada were such an Act ever to be fought by a citizen (which would indeed occur).
First of all,
Nobody blamed the American heath care system. The two systems are completely different.
Jay,
If you are unaware of the shortcomings of the American health care system, and how a major illness can bankrupt you in that system, I can't help it.
My relatives, at the last reunion numbered 360 people, and many dozens of families.
I will back away from any further argument about the health care systems.
Nobody blamed the American heath care system. The two systems are completely different.
Jay,
If you are unaware of the shortcomings of the American health care system, and how a major illness can bankrupt you in that system, I can't help it.
My relatives, at the last reunion numbered 360 people, and many dozens of families.
I will back away from any further argument about the health care systems.
Wednesday's Child said:
That's actually not true. Patient confidentiality is a matter of law in Canada just like it is in the US. Trust me, I know one nurse who was fired for looking up her daughter's info at work. Administrators don't have any more rights.
Wednesday's Child said:
Obviously you're describing where I work and I love it, but I do have to point out that their care is only paid for because it is considered emergent and the baby is automatically an American entitled to medi-cal if the parents don't have insurance. People are treated on a more or less equal basis in that respect, but they aren't when it comes to anything non-emergent. Then money matters. Whether people think that's a good or a bad thing depends on how much money you have and what type of benefits you're offered through your job.
And trust me, we see plenty of American born people without health insurance. It isn't just the Mexicans. And plenty of those immigrants don't get free care. Look at me
I paid my $3000 bill yesterday brining my medical costs up over $4000 this year. :lol:
tracy said:
The privacy legislation is no joke. I know that Future Shop is being sued by more than a few people for nothing less than millions of dollars over it. A couple of people return computers and they don't get the full 3x zero wipe and BAM! Millions of dollars later...
RE: $40 billion for Booze
I don't see that as free. someone has to pay for it. It just doesn't happen to be the person receiving the care.
I don't see that as free. someone has to pay for it. It just doesn't happen to be the person receiving the care.