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the difference of course is that Hitler was a tremendous public speaker while Trump is not.
Also Hitler was not a draft dodger.
Mussolini is a better analogy than Trump. True, both Trump and Hitler are/were psychopaths but the puffed up narcissist bully who lies like a rug and exaggerates his alleged accomplishments is all Benito Mussolini. They even have similar speaking styles. You'd think that Trump is a reincarnation ...
Now put the option they have the same speech writers on the table. Oh wait you can't as the illusion would crumble to dust.
How did Trump start Gulf War I and all the killing that has gone on since 1979 when Iran came under the same sanctions that Cuba has been under since 1960.
The Kuwaiti Incubator Babies - LIE
Also you fukking moron, Hitler killed 6 million Jews..
Trying to compare Trump to Hitler just show the ignorance of the person making the post..
That is why you are who you are Dear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMafia
McMafia is a British crime drama television series created by Hossein Amini and James Watkins, and directed by Watkins. It is inspired by the book McMafia: A Journey Through the Global Criminal Underworld (2008) by journalist Misha Glenny.[1] The series, which stars James Norton as Alex Godman, the British-raised son of a Russian mafia boss living in London whose father is trying to escape from the world of organised crime, is co-produced by the BBC, AMC, and Cuba Pictures. It was first broadcast on BBC One from 1 January 2018[2][3][4] and then premiered on AMC on 26 February 2018.[5]
Originally billed as a serial, BBC One recommissioned the programme for an eight-chapter second series.[6]
No..........................................
that is the solution for LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trying to compare Hitler to Trump................................
is also a great indicator....................................................
of what the poster THINKS is the level of intelligence of his audience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is another article illustrating what a foul mess LIE-berals are making of our education system! With some comments of my own in brackets):
Young people and their troubling views on socialism and communism
By Walter E. Williams, Special to Postmedia Network
Published: December 6, 2018. Updated: December 6, 2018 4:55 PM EST
Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Columnists
A recent Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation survey found that 51% of American millennials would rather live in a socialist or communist country than in a capitalist country. Only 42% prefer the latter. Twenty-five percent of millennials who know who Vladimir Lenin was view him favourably. Half of millennials have never heard of Communist Mao Zedong, who ruled China from 1949 to 1976 and was responsible for the deaths of 45 million Chinese people.
(To be fair- our kids have never lived in a truly capitalist and democratic country! The welfare state has been in existence for 50 years now and ha distorted all manner of situations!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The number of people who died at the hands of Josef Stalin may be as high as 62 million. However, almost one-third of millennials think former U.S. President George W. Bush is responsible for more killings than Stalin. By the way, Adolf Hitler, head of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, was responsible for the deaths of about 20 million people. The Nazis come in as a poor third in terms of history’s most prolific mass murderers. According to professor Rudolph Rummel’s research, the 20th century, mankind’s most brutal century, saw 262 million people’s lives destroyed at the hands of their own governments.
(This nasty editing of Soviet crimes is a DIRECT RESULT of LIE-beral and civil service union collaboration as they feather their own nests at public expense!! The Socialists havea LONG HISTORY of reacting violently to anybody who dares contradict their values or policies!! We have only to listen to Our idiot Boy Justin shouting “RACIST” at anybody who disagrees with him to recognize that vicious Socialist anger with dissidents of ANY sort!!!!!!!!!!)
(LIE-berals TALK about freedom and fair play in exactly the same terms as their Soviet Socialist fellow travellers!! Socialists sincerely believe their murderous system is INFALLIBLE!! The staunch Socialist blames ALL FAILURES on outside influences and on personal betrayals by individuals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(It is for this reason that former Ontari-owe NDP premier Bob Rae could blame the banks for not loaning him the money he needed to make us RICH!! Rae DOES NOT wish to admit that he DOUBLED the Ontariowe debt in 4 short years!!!! Nor does Rae have anything to say about his “Rae Days” when the province became so broke and indebted he was forced to send civil service union HOGS home for UNPAID days off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Young people who weren’t alive during the Second World War and its Cold War aftermath might be forgiven for not knowing the horrors of socialism. Some of their beliefs represent their having been indoctrinated by their K-12 teachers and college professors. There was such leftist hate for former President George W. Bush that it’s not out of the question that those 32% of millennials were taught by their teachers and professors that Bush murdered more people than Stalin.
(DELIBERATE twisting of facts - for greater effect is a favoured Socialist policy!)
America’s communists, socialists and Marxists have little knowledge of socialist history. Bradley Birzer, a professor of history at Hillsdale College, explains this in an article for The American Conservative titled “Socialists and Fascists Have Always Been Kissing Cousins.” Joseph Goebbels wrote in 1925, “It would be better for us to end our existence under Bolshevism than to endure slavery under capitalism.” This Nazi sentiment might be shared by Sen. Bernie Sanders and his comrade Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Goebbels added, “I think it is terrible that we and the Communists are bashing in each other’s heads.”
(Capitalism as “Slavery’? And yet Nazis happily used capitalism during their re-armament efforts and to keep people complacent in the 1930`s!!!!)
(Good fences make for good neighbours and quietly ignoring people you don’t like is better than fighting pitched battles! But lost in the Cortez and Sanders wishful thinking is the ugly reality that Socialism IS DANGEROUS -and that Socialists are working like moles to undermine our system and change it to suit their own greedy ways!!!!!!!!!!)
(We have only to look at the reality that a civil service union Hog earns one thierd MORE than a worker in the private sector DOING THE SAME JOB- and that does not take Hog pensions into account!! No LIE-beral casn explain why the Hog clerk taking your $100 water bill payment should earn more than the cashier taking payment of your $150 grocery bill!! Such Hog wages are DELIBERATE SOCIALIST BRIBERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
When the tragedies of socialist regimes — such as those in Venezuela, the USSR, China, Cuba and many others — are pointed out to America’s leftists, they hold up Sweden as their socialist role model. But they are absolutely wrong about Sweden. Johan Norberg points this out in his documentary “Sweden: Lessons for America?”
Americans might be surprised to learn that Sweden’s experiment with socialism was a relatively brief flirtation, lasting about 20 years and ending in disillusionment and reform. Reason magazine reports: “Sweden began rolling back government in the early 1990s, recapturing the entrepreneurial spirit that made it a wealthy country to begin with. High taxation and a generous array of government benefits are still around. But now it’s also a nation of school vouchers, free trade, open immigration, light business regulation, and no minimum wage laws.” School vouchers, light business regulation and no minimum wage laws are practices deeply offensive to America’s leftists.
(School vouchers so your kid can go to a school SEPARATE from the illegals and from gang thugs and thus get a better education?? And NO minium wage laws either?? Cdn LIE-berals would go BERSERK if such things were proposed here!! CLEARLY the ALLEGED Swedish Socialism is OVER STATED!!!!!!!!!!)
Our young people are not the first Americans to admire tyrants and cutthroats. W.E.B. Du Bois, writing in the National Guardian in 1953, said, “Stalin was a great man; few other men of the 20th century approach his stature.” There was even leftist admiration for Hitler and fellow fascist Benito Mussolini.
(Business people to often have a SADLY NARROW focus - looking only at whatever gets workers to show up on time and do a serious days work!! Social conditions outside the plant are beyond their purview!!!!!!!!)
(But the narrow socialist view leads to serious stupidity!! Sacha Trudeau- the brother of Our idiot Boy Justin has told us that Cuban dictator Castro was the “greatest South American leader of the twentieth century and far superior to any merely elected leader”!)
(And Pierre Trudeau heaped fawning praise on Chinese Chairman Mao for “his genius in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows” during the Great Leap Forward economic 5 year plan! Yes- 30 million dead in 5 years speaks clearly of both Trudeau and Soviet values!! Fulsome praise for the Chinese mass murderer gives us clear ideas about Trudeau family values!!!!!!!)
(And it is clear that Trudeau family values have been passed down- since Our idiot Boy Justin ahs told us “he likes the way the Chinese get things done”!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(No wonder the kids have so little respect for capitalism and democracy when we allow such vile leaders into places of power and influence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
When Hitler came to power in January 1933, George Bernard Shaw described him as “a very remarkable man, a very able man.” President Franklin Roosevelt called Mussolini “admirable,” and he was “deeply impressed by what he (had) accomplished.”
(Social order and discipline are important- but not at ANY PRICE!!! There is a line between reining in anarchists- and clipping the wings of free speech and democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
In 1972, John Kenneth Galbraith visited Communist China and praised Mao and the Chinese economic system. His Harvard University colleague John K. Fairbank believed that America could learn much from the Cultural Revolution, saying, “Americans may find in China’s collective life today an ingredient of personal moral concern for one’s neighbour that has a lesson for us all.”
(Ah- the devil in the details!!!! Is it wrong to ensure that all citizens get a chance at decent food and a roof over their heads and a chance at honest work? Few would disagree with such goals! The argument lies in the METHOD of achieving those goals - and the amount of torture and blood shed along the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Consider the Cdn civil service union Hog - who gets paid one third MORE than a person in the private sector doing the same job! How is it fair that the Hog gets so much more cash- and this is WITHOUT considering the solid gold pension the Hog gets?????????)
(The harsh truth is that LIE-berals and civil service Hogs are engaged in a huge conflict of interest- they are CHEATING our democracy! LIE-berals are buying Hog votes and in exchange Hogs get all that wonderful gravy!! And the rest of our society gets CRIPPLED by debt!!!!!!!!)
Are Americans who admire the world’s most brutal regimes miseducated or stupid? Or do they have some kind of devious agenda?
(We should also consider the actions of Mao`s Red Army- its first goal was to teach ALL its recruits to read and write! The illiterate man can be easily cheated or swindled by the dishonest employer or govt! The educated man can read fact and information for himself!!!!!)
(Encouraging the public to become informed on govt activities is generally seen as a wise action! But the Socialist devils are in the details!! For instance Socialists consider it a CRIME to print anti socialist views - so a full explanation of Socialist govt activities and values is NEVER OFFERED to the Socialist citizen!!!!!!!!!)
(The Red Army leaders see clearly how valuable it is to have literate soldiers since they can then read maps and fire artillery to precise coordinates and they can read Party literature- meaning approved propaganda - on their own time and thus be further led to a proper Socialist mindset!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Our socialist oriented LIE-berals have recognized the value of Red Army training and propaganda and thus LIE-berals have worked very hard to infiltrate our school system with the intention of raising a generation of kids who know and support Socialism- and who have been POISONED against capitalism and democracy!!!!!)
(Cdn LIE-beral values have become so poisoned that they think it is acceptable to PUNISH Laurier U. Student Lindsey Shepard for playing a 5 minute clip of Psychology professor Jordan Peterson discussing the nuances of Free Speech versus Compelled Speech- right after the class had been forced to sit through the entire 3 hour long Nazi propaganda film”Triumph of the Will” extolling the virtues of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Peterson was simply debating the wisdom of LIE-beral govt making it ILLEGAL NOT to say certain words in conversation - meaning words like “ZHE” that are understood and capable of being used correctly ONLY by a very small minority of citizens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(Peterson points out that in his work as a senior psychologist he has identified over 75 of these very obscure slang words and I think people like him are RIGHT TO ASK HOW it can legitimately be made ILLEGAL to refuse to use words you don’t understand and cannot even define!! Sadly, LIE-beral shameless vote buying knows few limits!!!!!!!!!!!!)
(The question by Peterson is in SHARP CONTRAST to Nazi values- yet our LIE-berals think “Triumph of the Will” with its mindless support of Nazism is better for young minds than hearing Peterson carefully dissect LIE-beral efforts at mind control by limiting free speech!!!!!!)
Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University.
Poor Comrade Curious....................................
his idol Joe Clark.....................................................
WHO????????????????????????????????
has not even been mentioned one single time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But that is what happens to RED TORY/LIE-beral Lite types.........................................
they are EMINENTLY FORGETTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Killing 6m Muslims gets you an award rather than any bad reviews. I wonder why that is? Anyone, . . . ?'Try harder' would be the standard reply from the fuktards on this site to this fact.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opini...rn-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990
Unworthy victims: Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990
Landmark research proves that the US-led ‘war on terror’ has killed as many as 2 million people, but this is a fraction of Western responsibility for deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last two decades
66.4K
Last month, the Washington DC-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PRS) released a landmark study concluding that the death toll from 10 years of the “War on Terror” since the 9/11 attacks is at least 1.3 million, and could be as high as 2 million.
The 97-page report by the Nobel Peace Prize-winning doctors’ group is the first to tally up the total number of civilian casualties from US-led counter-terrorism interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The PSR report is authored by an interdisciplinary team of leading public health experts, including Dr. Robert Gould, director of health professional outreach and education at the University of California San Francisco Medical Center, and Professor Tim Takaro of the Faculty of Health Sciences at Simon Fraser University.
Yet it has been almost completely blacked out by the English-language media, despite being the first effort by a world-leading public health organisation to produce a scientifically robust calculation of the number of people killed by the US-UK-led “war on terror”.
Mind the gaps
The PSR report is described by Dr Hans von Sponeck, former UN assistant secretary-general, as “a significant contribution to narrowing the gap between reliable estimates of victims of war, especially civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and tendentious, manipulated or even fraudulent accounts”.
The report conducts a critical review of previous death toll estimates of “war on terror” casualties. It is heavily critical of the figure most widely cited by mainstream media as authoritative, namely, the Iraq Body Count (IBC) estimate of 110,000 dead. That figure is derived from collating media reports of civilian killings, but the PSR report identifies serious gaps and methodological problems in this approach.
For instance, although 40,000 corpses had been buried in Najaf since the launch of the war, IBC recorded only 1,354 deaths in Najaf for the same period. That example shows how wide the gap is between IBC’s Najaf figure and the actual death toll – in this case, by a factor of over 30.
Such gaps are replete throughout IBC’s database. In another instance, IBC recorded just three airstrikes in a period in 2005, when the number of air attacks had in fact increased from 25 to 120 that year. Again, the gap here is by a factor of 40.
According to the PSR study, the much-disputed Lancet study that estimated 655,000 Iraq deaths up to 2006 (and over a million until today by extrapolation) was likely to be far more accurate than IBC’s figures. In fact, the report confirms a virtual consensus among epidemiologists on the reliability of the Lancet study.
Despite some legitimate criticisms, the statistical methodology it applied is the universally recognised standard to determine deaths from conflict zones, used by international agencies and governments.
Politicised denial
PSR also reviewed the methodology and design of other studies showing a lower death toll, such as a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine, which had a range of serious limitations.
That paper ignored the areas subject to the heaviest violence, namely Baghdad, Anbar and Nineveh, relying on flawed IBC data to extrapolate for those regions. It also imposed “politically-motivated restrictions” on collection and analysis of the data - interviews were conducted by the Iraqi Ministry of Health, which was “totally dependent on the occupying power” and had refused to release data on Iraqi registered deaths under US pressure.
In particular, PSR assessed the claims of Michael Spaget, John Sloboda and others who questioned the Lancet study data collection methods as potentially fraudulent. All such claims, PSR found, were spurious.
The few “justified criticisms,” PSR concludes, “do not call into question the results of the Lancet studies as a whole. These figures still represent the best estimates that are currently available”. The Lancet findings are also corroborated by the data from a new study in PLOS Medicine, finding 500,000 Iraqi deaths from the war. Overall, PSR concludes that the most likely number for the civilian death toll in Iraq since 2003 to date is about 1 million.
To this, the PSR study adds at least 220,000 in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan, killed as the direct or indirect consequence of US-led war: a “conservative” total of 1.3 million. The real figure could easily be “in excess of 2 million”.
Yet even the PSR study suffers from limitations. Firstly, the post-9/11 “war on terror” was not new, but merely extended previous interventionist policies in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Secondly, the huge paucity of data on Afghanistan meant the PSR study probably underestimated the Afghan death toll.
Iraq
The war on Iraq did not begin in 2003, but in 1991 with the first Gulf War, which was followed by the UN sanctions regime.
An early PSR study by Beth Daponte, then a US government Census Bureau demographer, found that Iraq deaths caused by the direct and indirect impact of the first Gulf War amounted to around 200,000 Iraqis, mostly civilians. Meanwhile, her internal government study was suppressed.
After US-led forces pulled out, the war on Iraq continued in economic form through the US-UK imposed UN sanctions regime, on the pretext of denying Saddam Hussein the materials necessary to make weapons of mass destruction. Items banned from Iraq under this rationale included a vast number of items needed for everyday life.
Undisputed UN figures show that 1.7 million Iraqi civilians died due to the West’s brutal sanctions regime, half of whom were children.
The mass death was seemingly intended. Among items banned by the UN sanctions were chemicals and equipment essential for Iraq’s national water treatment system. A secret US Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) document discovered by Professor Thomas Nagy of the School of Business at George Washington University amounted, he said, to “an early blueprint for genocide against the people of Iraq”.
In his paper for the Association of Genocide Scholars at the University of Manitoba, Professor Nagi explained that the DIA document revealed “minute details of a fully workable method to ‘fully degrade the water treatment system’ of an entire nation” over a period of a decade. The sanctions policy would create “the conditions for widespread disease, including full scale epidemics,” thus “liquidating a significant portion of the population of Iraq”.
This means that in Iraq alone, the US-led war from 1991 to 2003 killed 1.9 million Iraqis; then from 2003 onwards around 1 million: totalling just under 3 million Iraqis dead over two decades.
Afghanistan
In Afghanistan, PSR’s estimate of overall casualties could also be very conservative. Six months after the 2001 bombing campaign, The Guardian’s Jonathan Steele revealed that anywhere between 1,300 and 8,000 Afghans were killed directly, and as many as a further 50,000 people died avoidably as an indirect result of the war.
In his book, Body Count: Global Avoidable Mortality Since 1950 (2007), Professor Gideon Polya applied the same methodology used by The Guardian to UN Population Division annual mortality data to calculate plausible figures for excess deaths. A retired biochemist at La Trobe University in Melbourne, Polya concludes that total avoidable Afghan deaths since 2001 under ongoing war and occupation-imposed deprivation amount to around 3 million people, about 900,000 of whom are infants under five.
Although Professor Polya’s findings are not published in an academic journal, his 2007 Body Count study has been recommended by California State University sociologist Professor Jacqueline Carrigan as “a data-rich profile of the global mortality situation” in a review published by the Routledge journal, Socialism and Democracy.
As with Iraq, US intervention in Afghanistan began long before 9/11 in the form of covert military, logistical and financial aid to the Taliban from around 1992 onwards. This US assistance propelled the Taliban’s violent conquest of nearly 90 percent of Afghan territory.
In a 2001 National Academy of Sciences report, Forced Migration and Mortality, leading epidemiologist Steven Hansch, a director of Relief International, noted that total excess mortality in Afghanistan due to the indirect impacts of war through the 1990s could be anywhere between 200,000 and 2 million. The Soviet Union, of course, also bore responsibility for its role in devastating civilian infrastructure, thus paving the way for these deaths.
Altogether, this suggests that the total Afghan death toll due to the direct and indirect impacts of US-led intervention since the early nineties until now could be as high 3-5 million.
Denial
According to the figures explored here, total deaths from Western interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan since the 1990s - from direct killings and the longer-term impact of war-imposed deprivation - likely constitute around 4 million (2 million in Iraq from 1991-2003, plus 2 million from the “war on terror”), and could be as high as 6-8 million people when accounting for higher avoidable death estimates in Afghanistan.
Such figures could well be too high, but will never know for sure. US and UK armed forces, as a matter of policy, refuse to keep track of the civilian death toll of military operations - they are an irrelevant inconvenience.
Due to the severe lack of data in Iraq, almost complete non-existence of records in Afghanistan, and the indifference of Western governments to civilian deaths, it is literally impossible to determine the true extent of loss of life.
In the absence of even the possibility of corroboration, these figures provide plausible estimates based on applying standard statistical methodology to the best, if scarce, evidence available. They give an indication of the scale of the destruction, if not the precise detail.
Much of this death has been justified in the context of fighting tyranny and terrorism. Yet thanks to the silence of the wider media, most people have no idea of the true scale of protracted terror wrought in their name by US and UK tyranny in Iraq and Afghanistan.
‘This Is a Distraction.’ Republicans Worry Trump’s Racist Comments Will Hurt Him in 2020
https://time.com/5638651/donald-tru...&utm_content=20190730&xid=newsletter-politics
Killing 6m Muslims gets you an award rather than any bad reviews. I wonder why that is? Anyone, . . . ?'Try harder' would be the standard reply from the fuktards on this site to this fact.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opini...rn-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-1990
Unworthy victims: Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990
Landmark research proves that the US-led ‘war on terror’ has killed as many as 2 million people, but this is a fraction of Western responsibility for deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last two decades
66.4K
Last month, the Washington DC-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PRS) released a landmark study concluding that the death toll from 10 years of the “War on Terror” since the 9/11 attacks is at least 1.3 million, and could be as high as 2 million.
The 97-page report by the Nobel Peace Prize-winning doctors’ group is the first to tally up the total number of civilian casualties from US-led counter-terrorism interventions in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The PSR report is authored by an interdisciplinary team of leading public health experts, including Dr. Robert Gould, director of health professional outreach and education at the University of California San Francisco Medical Center, and Professor Tim Takaro of the Faculty of Health Sciences at Simon Fraser University.
Yet it has been almost completely blacked out by the English-language media, despite being the first effort by a world-leading public health organisation to produce a scientifically robust calculation of the number of people killed by the US-UK-led “war on terror”.
Mind the gaps
The PSR report is described by Dr Hans von Sponeck, former UN assistant secretary-general, as “a significant contribution to narrowing the gap between reliable estimates of victims of war, especially civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and tendentious, manipulated or even fraudulent accounts”.
The report conducts a critical review of previous death toll estimates of “war on terror” casualties. It is heavily critical of the figure most widely cited by mainstream media as authoritative, namely, the Iraq Body Count (IBC) estimate of 110,000 dead. That figure is derived from collating media reports of civilian killings, but the PSR report identifies serious gaps and methodological problems in this approach.
For instance, although 40,000 corpses had been buried in Najaf since the launch of the war, IBC recorded only 1,354 deaths in Najaf for the same period. That example shows how wide the gap is between IBC’s Najaf figure and the actual death toll – in this case, by a factor of over 30.
Such gaps are replete throughout IBC’s database. In another instance, IBC recorded just three airstrikes in a period in 2005, when the number of air attacks had in fact increased from 25 to 120 that year. Again, the gap here is by a factor of 40.
According to the PSR study, the much-disputed Lancet study that estimated 655,000 Iraq deaths up to 2006 (and over a million until today by extrapolation) was likely to be far more accurate than IBC’s figures. In fact, the report confirms a virtual consensus among epidemiologists on the reliability of the Lancet study.
Despite some legitimate criticisms, the statistical methodology it applied is the universally recognised standard to determine deaths from conflict zones, used by international agencies and governments.
Politicised denial
PSR also reviewed the methodology and design of other studies showing a lower death toll, such as a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine, which had a range of serious limitations.
That paper ignored the areas subject to the heaviest violence, namely Baghdad, Anbar and Nineveh, relying on flawed IBC data to extrapolate for those regions. It also imposed “politically-motivated restrictions” on collection and analysis of the data - interviews were conducted by the Iraqi Ministry of Health, which was “totally dependent on the occupying power” and had refused to release data on Iraqi registered deaths under US pressure.
In particular, PSR assessed the claims of Michael Spaget, John Sloboda and others who questioned the Lancet study data collection methods as potentially fraudulent. All such claims, PSR found, were spurious.
The few “justified criticisms,” PSR concludes, “do not call into question the results of the Lancet studies as a whole. These figures still represent the best estimates that are currently available”. The Lancet findings are also corroborated by the data from a new study in PLOS Medicine, finding 500,000 Iraqi deaths from the war. Overall, PSR concludes that the most likely number for the civilian death toll in Iraq since 2003 to date is about 1 million.
To this, the PSR study adds at least 220,000 in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan, killed as the direct or indirect consequence of US-led war: a “conservative” total of 1.3 million. The real figure could easily be “in excess of 2 million”.
Yet even the PSR study suffers from limitations. Firstly, the post-9/11 “war on terror” was not new, but merely extended previous interventionist policies in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Secondly, the huge paucity of data on Afghanistan meant the PSR study probably underestimated the Afghan death toll.
Iraq
The war on Iraq did not begin in 2003, but in 1991 with the first Gulf War, which was followed by the UN sanctions regime.
An early PSR study by Beth Daponte, then a US government Census Bureau demographer, found that Iraq deaths caused by the direct and indirect impact of the first Gulf War amounted to around 200,000 Iraqis, mostly civilians. Meanwhile, her internal government study was suppressed.
After US-led forces pulled out, the war on Iraq continued in economic form through the US-UK imposed UN sanctions regime, on the pretext of denying Saddam Hussein the materials necessary to make weapons of mass destruction. Items banned from Iraq under this rationale included a vast number of items needed for everyday life.
Undisputed UN figures show that 1.7 million Iraqi civilians died due to the West’s brutal sanctions regime, half of whom were children.
The mass death was seemingly intended. Among items banned by the UN sanctions were chemicals and equipment essential for Iraq’s national water treatment system. A secret US Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) document discovered by Professor Thomas Nagy of the School of Business at George Washington University amounted, he said, to “an early blueprint for genocide against the people of Iraq”.
In his paper for the Association of Genocide Scholars at the University of Manitoba, Professor Nagi explained that the DIA document revealed “minute details of a fully workable method to ‘fully degrade the water treatment system’ of an entire nation” over a period of a decade. The sanctions policy would create “the conditions for widespread disease, including full scale epidemics,” thus “liquidating a significant portion of the population of Iraq”.
This means that in Iraq alone, the US-led war from 1991 to 2003 killed 1.9 million Iraqis; then from 2003 onwards around 1 million: totalling just under 3 million Iraqis dead over two decades.
Afghanistan
In Afghanistan, PSR’s estimate of overall casualties could also be very conservative. Six months after the 2001 bombing campaign, The Guardian’s Jonathan Steele revealed that anywhere between 1,300 and 8,000 Afghans were killed directly, and as many as a further 50,000 people died avoidably as an indirect result of the war.
In his book, Body Count: Global Avoidable Mortality Since 1950 (2007), Professor Gideon Polya applied the same methodology used by The Guardian to UN Population Division annual mortality data to calculate plausible figures for excess deaths. A retired biochemist at La Trobe University in Melbourne, Polya concludes that total avoidable Afghan deaths since 2001 under ongoing war and occupation-imposed deprivation amount to around 3 million people, about 900,000 of whom are infants under five.
Although Professor Polya’s findings are not published in an academic journal, his 2007 Body Count study has been recommended by California State University sociologist Professor Jacqueline Carrigan as “a data-rich profile of the global mortality situation” in a review published by the Routledge journal, Socialism and Democracy.
As with Iraq, US intervention in Afghanistan began long before 9/11 in the form of covert military, logistical and financial aid to the Taliban from around 1992 onwards. This US assistance propelled the Taliban’s violent conquest of nearly 90 percent of Afghan territory.
In a 2001 National Academy of Sciences report, Forced Migration and Mortality, leading epidemiologist Steven Hansch, a director of Relief International, noted that total excess mortality in Afghanistan due to the indirect impacts of war through the 1990s could be anywhere between 200,000 and 2 million. The Soviet Union, of course, also bore responsibility for its role in devastating civilian infrastructure, thus paving the way for these deaths.
Altogether, this suggests that the total Afghan death toll due to the direct and indirect impacts of US-led intervention since the early nineties until now could be as high 3-5 million.
Denial
According to the figures explored here, total deaths from Western interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan since the 1990s - from direct killings and the longer-term impact of war-imposed deprivation - likely constitute around 4 million (2 million in Iraq from 1991-2003, plus 2 million from the “war on terror”), and could be as high as 6-8 million people when accounting for higher avoidable death estimates in Afghanistan.
Such figures could well be too high, but will never know for sure. US and UK armed forces, as a matter of policy, refuse to keep track of the civilian death toll of military operations - they are an irrelevant inconvenience.
Due to the severe lack of data in Iraq, almost complete non-existence of records in Afghanistan, and the indifference of Western governments to civilian deaths, it is literally impossible to determine the true extent of loss of life.
In the absence of even the possibility of corroboration, these figures provide plausible estimates based on applying standard statistical methodology to the best, if scarce, evidence available. They give an indication of the scale of the destruction, if not the precise detail.
Much of this death has been justified in the context of fighting tyranny and terrorism. Yet thanks to the silence of the wider media, most people have no idea of the true scale of protracted terror wrought in their name by US and UK tyranny in Iraq and Afghanistan.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MHz demonstrates why NOTHING that a radical Muslim CLAIMS............................
should EVER BE ACCEPTED at face value!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He starts his madness with a comment about getting an "award for killing 6 million Muslims"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Late in the text the body count drops to 4 million................................................
then he quotes sources that the LSD abusing LOON considers reliable...................................
claiming 1.3 million bodies........................
with a caveat that the body count MIGHT be as high as 2 million!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MHz DOES NOT want to discuss how many of the bodies................................
were the result of Afghans fighting between themselves.....................................
meaning Taliban or Isis fighting to dominate other groups within the Muslim world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nor does MHz wish to discuss how many of the bodies are the result......................
of infighting between Shi-ites and Sunnis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As usual MHz is FULL OF HALAL SH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!