2008 American election

Gonzo

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There are two parties to choose from, one more then China. Who will win? The right wing party (Democrats) or the extreme right wing (Republicans)? And if the Democrats get more votes the the Republicans, will the Republicans win again anyway? Not much of a democracy, but it's all they have.
Americans are divided over the wars, and Bush is the most unpopular president in history (amazing how Harper is willing to kiss up to this guy). What do you think will be the big issue besides the wars? Abortion? Health care? Gay rights? Global warming (probably the most important issue facing the human race).
I cant see the Republicans digging themselves out of this hole of lies and debt. It will take another party to clean up Bush's mess. I pitty whoever becomes the next president.
 
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Gonzo said:
There are two parties to choose from, one more then China. Who will win? The right wing party (Democrats) or the extreme right wing (Republicans)?

What did you do with the far-left democrats. There's thousands of them.

And if the Democrats get more votes the the Republicans, will the Republicans win again anyway? Not much of a democracy, but it's all they have.

They definitely need a third party, but the people in the u.s. never seem to warm up to that idea.

Americans are divided over the wars, and Bush is the most unpopular president in history (amazing how Harper is willing to kiss up to this guy). What do you think will be the big issue besides the wars? Abortion? Health care? Gay rights? Global warming (probably the most important issue facing the human race).

yes, that's right, but it will be the least of their concerns, they will focus on abortion/gay rights, and
anything else that brings in religion.

I cant see the Republicans digging themselves out of this hole of lies and debt. It will take another party to clean up Bush's mess. I pitty whoever becomes the next president

Well, one thing is good for new president, there is no where to go but "up".
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Gonzo

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The Democrats in the United States are not left wing. There are left wing Americans, but there really is no party to represent them.
I dont know why Americans dont warm up to a third party. You'd think that the so called model of democracy would want more options, not less.
It's funny how religion is so important in the United States. It still figures into politics. Unbelievable. It's almost like the dark ages sometimes.
True, the next President cant do no wrong after Bush. Clintons years are like a dream now, compared to the real disaster they're in. Suddenly, a president who's a bad husband isn't so bad as a president who's an idiot, liar, war and fear monger.
 
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Gonzo said:
The Democrats in the United States are not left wing. There are left wing Americans, but there really is no party to represent them.
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Yes there are

Gonzo said:
I dont know why Americans dont warm up to a third party. You'd think that the so called model of democracy would want more options, not less.
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There are many reasons for this, but first let me just say, the political structure has much to do with it. First and foremost you have to take under consideration that the Presidential elections are strictly to elect a Head of State. Indepedents and other party members have run for President, repeatedly.

The parties really come into play in the House and Senate. Vermont recently elected a Socialist into the Senate. A couple of other States elected indepedents. Personally I had to choose from Democrats, Republicans, Marijuana Party and a few other parties on the ballot.

Don't assume there are no other parties to vote for.

Gonzo said:
It's funny how religion is so important in the United States. It still figures into politics. Unbelievable. It's almost like the dark ages sometimes.
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That's a regional issue. Mostly Southern. And I honestly don't see why it is compared to the dark ages. Everyone votes according to what is important to them. If religion is one of them I don't see what the problem is. Especially when the Constitution guards against government meddling in religion.

Gonzo said:
True, the next President cant do no wrong after Bush. Clintons years are like a dream now, compared to the real disaster they're in. Suddenly, a president who's a bad husband isn't so bad as a president who's an idiot, liar, war and fear monger.
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Clinton was good.
 
talloola

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Each party in the U.S. has a mixture.
Republicans have far right, conservative, liberal and and moderate

Democrats have conservative,moderate, and far left

If those description aren't perfect, I'm sure you get my drift, so chill out.

With only two parties, the people of every segment are forced into those two
parties, so, everyone is there, and they do have "leftwing people as well.

If they could only develope a third party that could contain all the moderates
and whoever else is interested, it would be healthier for their country.
 
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Logic 7 said:
Democrates arent left wing, ralph nader party is left wing.







Clinton is smart, good , it is a point of view,however i think al gore would have been the best president of the United states with JFK.
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Perhaps you would like to explain to me what JFK achieved.......besides taking the US into Vietnam, and facing down the Soviets over Cuba? (the latter being a real achievement)

Perhaps you could explain what Clinton achieved, besides selling missile technology to the Chinese, getting BJs, sexualing harassing and assaulting women, firing missiles into deserts in Afghanistan and central Africa, stumping any attempt to interfere in the Rwandan genocide, ignoring the Constitution, lying under oath, and stealing furniture from the Parks Service, as his last act of his Presidency?

IMHO, you'd have to look long and far to find someone more sleazy, more disgusting than Slick Willy.

His buddy Jean Chretien might fill the bill.

Al Gore was simply Clinton with his zipper up.
 
gopher

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Well, all 12 of them could form a party then.
Gopher could be their leader.
You busy Gopher?


Gee, I dunno -- I usually vote Libertarian and that would mean compromising my prinicples.

Will think about it though, especially if the chairmanship pays a good salary ...
 
gopher

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```slick Willy```

* eliminated the Republican deficit

* created HUGE surplus

* made the tax system more fair

* expanded the middle class

* stopped war in Korea in 1994


how does that compare with laughable Bush?
 
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In truth, it is a bit too early to discuss the 2008 election as the 2007 is still ahead. But one very significant issue that must not be over looked is Pelosi's assertion that Democrats "will not be swiftboated" on issues again.

Up to this time, Democats have allowed Republicans to frame the issues and have turned the other cheek to their lies and negativity. If by this she means that the Dems will henceforth frame the issues and kick Republican butts in the campaigns, it's a good sign for the USA and the world. So far (and bear in mind that it is still very early in the political year), Republican negativism has fallen on deaf ears and the Dems have been far more assertive than usual.

But time will tell as to what she really means and how things will work out.
 
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gopher said:
```slick Willy```

* eliminated the Republican deficit

* created HUGE surplus

* made the tax system more fair

* expanded the middle class

* stopped war in Korea in 1994


how does that compare with laughable Bush?
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I will even grant you the first 2, I don't know enough to accept or reject numbers 3 and four, but will grant you them by way of default.............which changes not a whit what a complete scumbag he was, and is.

However, preventing war in Korea in 1994, by making wonderful deals which the North Koreans immediately broke, simply gave them time to build nuclear weapons. A massive failure that, no success.

I am no huge fan of George W. either.

I personally think Presidents should be forced to actually READ the Constitution they are sworn to "uphold and defend". I know more about the US Constitution than either Bush or Clinton, I promise you that.

And I'm a Canadian.......

IMHO your only hope in 2008 is John McCain.
 
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Yah, maybe politicians should be subjected to a little red tape too. Write a general competency exam to get their legislative license and in 2-10 months their license will be approved.
 
gopher

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```by making wonderful deals which the North Koreans immediately broke, simply gave them time to build nuclear weapons.```


What nuclear weapons are you referring to?
The IAEA has not found any such weapons there. Do you know some secret that they don't know?


```items 3 and 4```

http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Fri_Dec_29_151111_2000.html


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Record deficits have become record surpluses. This Administration has have moved the country from a deficit of $290 billion in FY 1992 to an expected surplus of $256 billion in FY 2001. Eight years ago, the Congressional Budget Office projected a $513 billion deficit in FY 2001. Thus, the fiscal picture is now projected to improve by $769 billion in FY 2001 alone.


note that this is an official government finding.



```I know more about the US Constitution than either Bush or Clinton, I promise you that.```

I have a law degree and will match my knowledge of it with anyone.


```John McCain```

He was my choice for GOP candidate in 2000 and 2004 but the right wing extremists did not like him. He has made too many enemies among them and probably will not get their support. I will grant that he could likely have made a good president.


``` I personally think Presidents should be forced to actually READ the Constitution they are sworn to "uphold and defend"'

No argument there. But so should the politicians who kiss up to them rather than accept the will of the USA's majority such as by getting the hell out of Iraq as we have demanded.
 
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Kinda funny how religion being part of politics in America, is a bad, evil thing, while the Islamic fanatic apologists on this board seem to have no problem with Sharia law. My goodness, what would you America haters do if the U.S. suddenly converted to Islam en masse? Who would be left to hate?
 
gopher

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I think not said:
You have a law degree and yet I have repeatedly seen you post how the Iraq War is illegal and Bush should be impeached.

I'd love to hear YOUR arguments to that effect. Oblige me.
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I've been accused of spamming on this forum before for re-posting certain links. One issue that I have repeated is my earlier posts of Professor Ben Ferencz's comments on Bush's violations. Ferencz invented the Nuremburg doctrine, continues to teach at Pace Law School in NYC, and said that Bush should be tried under that law. Other legal scholars have said the same thing.

True, the controlled right wing media has refused to touch the subject. But it has been discussed repeatedly and I have spared no effort to discuss it previously.

If you wish I can send you links via PM so that no one else will be accusing me again of spamming.
 
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