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I'm reminded of The Princess Bride ... "you always use this word. I do not think it means what you think it does". :) This isn't whateboutism, this is precedent. Whataboutism is when you attempt to dismiss a current bad behavior by pointing to the fact that someone else did a DIFFERENT bad...

Er... what now? I'm not JUST old fashoned, i'm also pretty ornery as well :) But how is that relevant? So you're saying someone bought you dinner and got you high and now you need an abortion?? or,.. what are you saying here exactly? A pill or cut? Well - those basically are the two...

Well she was definitely found to have done something wrong, that part wasn't in question. And it dragged on because she wasn't honest about that. In the end they really did give her a pass, offering the weak excuse that they couldn't be sure she knew what she did was wrong. Which is not a bar...

Well we can probably make a few educated guesses - how long did it go on for hillary?

I do that all the time, minus the water.

Or, people drive a few hours to a neighboring state and do it there.

Well the 'few states away' thing has been my previous argument as well. So far it only looks like one or two might go full ban, we'll see.

Wait.... I thought -I- was god!!! Mydammit!

Wouldn't shock me entirely - they vote solid red and he'll want to keep it that way.

Well they'd go to jail. If the state passes a law outlawing something and the courts have said they have the authority to do so then any 'back alley' style efforts would be criminal. Kevorkian went to jail and his case was more grey.

You're welcome to share if you like and i'm sure it's interesting but at the moment i'm more concerned about what justin is thinking and his cabinet is planning, and that may or may not have anything to do with any science, logic, reason or anything that's been discussed in the past. It may not...

Does it matter? It's not like we come here to agree with each other :) Joking aside in this case the issue is whether or not the gov't (in this case justin) should be the one to determine whether or not there's a business case or whether he should be leaving that up to the industry to determine...

Well i suppose that's easier than presenting an actual argument :) Sure. But that's something business factors in. It's what they do. They're more suited to it than the gov't.

Actually that's pretty clever and accurate.

Well the challenge is that politicians pay less time predicting future health care needs and more time predicting the next election results. Health care planning today won't pay off for many years, whereas the costs of it must be borne today and taxes can definitely get you killed in the next...

To a degree but what we're discussing specifically is the business case. And there's no better group to examine the viability of the business case than business :) If business looks at it and says 'yeah, we'd be interested but here's what we'd need in the way of assurances and assistance to...

I think there's something that needs to be pointed out that kind of goes unconsidered. Health care resources are kind of like food in a wild eco system. If there's 100 deer, and only food and resources enough for 90, most people think 10 will starve. But in reality, the 100 consume the...

Ahhh so once again the beleaguered cosmetics industry is the REAL victim here...

Well the report was commissioned by the feds under mulroney but as he was pretty much immediately replaced by Chretien any actual gov't policy would have been his :) However - the provinces acted on the report, not the federal gov't. So both would be off the hook for that. The feds aren't at...

All valid questions and for sure it's not a simple equation. There's an even more challenging one - what about the first nations lands that the pipeline would cross and the political issues? There's been some talk about doing a terminal in manitoba on hudson's bay and shipping from there, which...