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  1. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    Who said anything about shutting it off? The solar heats the earth, the heated Earth radiates long wave radiation back to space, and the greenhouse gases absorb and re-emit that same long wave. Some goes out, and some stays. Just like when you wrap up in a blanket. You can make a fire hotter by...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    There's nothing wrong with acknowledging the advances made possible by fossil energy, and at the same time acknowledging the negative consequences of continued fossil energy reliance. I work for a drug corporation that strives to lead the industry when it comes to corporate citizenship. That...
  3. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    So, cite someone who claimed that Extra. It shouldn't be hard. It's funny...I've never seen a document claiming that the earth was going to warm exponentially. Sounds like a straw man to me, which wouldn't be unusual.
  4. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    You're right, there is a whole category of greenhouse gases. No single gas called greenhouse though. You should write letters. Get that addressed.
  5. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    So putting a blanket on you violates thermodynamics? I think not. This is a fundamental understanding of the laws of thermodynamics. Read this DB to see clearly how a greenhouse gas does not violate thermodynamics.
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    Geologic time scale, when and how to use it

    This is split from the Hawking alien warning thread. For starters, it's not what you said. You can differentiate stone age and the industrial age with techniques employed by geologists, but you couldn't delineate the arrival of computers. For second, a geologic time scale is used to...
  7. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    BS. Anything with a temperature greater than absolute zero radiates heat. In the case of greenhouse gases, they absorb and re-emit the radiation that came from earth. Energy that would otherwise leave the planet under equilibrium. So if you have more of the outgoing radiation from the earth's...
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    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Does this strike you as convincing Walt? Many stock prices had been dropping, well before the stolen emails. The serious falls were actually well before the stolen emails, much the same as many stocks across the planet experienced. Yeah...that must be due to the stolen emails...and Lord...
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    Our cooling world

    Also, if you like spaghetti graphs, you might like this one Walt. MSU temperatures used by UAH and RSS: Graph made using software here.
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    Our cooling world

    No, not the most ice we've had in years Walt. Ice occupies three dimensions, not two:
  11. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    So? That's a stupid analogy. Billions of people will burn their hands if they place their hands next to a bonfire and leave it there. That's how radiation works.
  12. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    If you can't answer, just say so. If your contention is that wind is transporting heat from the ionosphere into the troposphere, then it would also have to warm the stratosphere, which is not warming. There's no magic wind, or wormhole which can move heat from one area to another without that...
  13. Tonington

    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    lol, nobody needs to hide under a bed... Don't let university ruin your education, but I think we should trust this university professor because he has published some science which I think supports my view of reality. Fits my biases, as it were. That's pretty much what your posts boil down to...
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    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    From the you can't make this stuff up department, scientist Roy Spencer: Ummm, Earth to Spencer, good science doesn't go out of date, at least not easily. Medicinal leeches are witnessing a resurgence, after 4000 years of sustained use in medicine. They have made mechanical analogs, but they...
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    Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

    No, one is an exponential function, the other is logarithmic. The inverse of an exponential is a logarithm, but the functions' outcomes are not at all similar. One moves away from a limit, the other moves towards a limit, as the value of the independent variable increases. I'm now going to go...
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    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Yes I do, because you use phrases like "all about". That is not what it is all about. For some people you need to wave a carrot in front of them before they agree. The powerful political forces you talk about advocate aid to countries that have no money to mitigate effects that will be felt...
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    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    And the one place where there is a legislated price on carbon is the EU. Environmentalist Europeans, and they aren't sending their money away as a goal. It's not a way to send money to under-developed countries. Which is what you've been basically saying. Is it not what you've been saying?
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    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Really? So what was this all about: To which I asked how much so far has. You're like a sheet twisting in the wind...
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    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    Yet, you say that's where the money goes...but you can't even show this to be true... Not yet. It's upcoming. :lol: You started with "I believe..." Did S. Africa convene the conference? There were other participants there as I'm sure you're aware. You're making these kinds of statements...
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    AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

    So, that was a price on carbon. It was a campaign promise of his. The bill by Graham, Lieberman, and Kerry puts an economy wide cap on emissions. That is a price on carbon. So you say...yet major international partners didn't give in to demands from those countries. I roll my eyes because...