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One long gabfest deserves another? lol

Got any stats to show whether stats are good or bad? lol

Yeah. Basically that's saying the cycle quit cycling.

Unless the statistics were accurately described in the parameters. For instance, one could say that there are about 45,000 people in the USA named "Jim Smith". And the statistician can add the margin of error, describe how the stats were obtained, etc. If stats were useless then some fool could...

No. That would involve the CRU, not NOAA. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] No, the data you accessed is not from the CRU. The CRU was not using bad data. They were simply mishandling it. NOAA and the others probably have NOT been mishandling data.

I won't be rude enough to post the entire article, but here's a little bit along with the link to the whole thing: Debunking George Will, Part 238 « Climate Progress

Ah, but the CRU was only one source of the data. :)

I'll give an example of sensationalism to stir up the mud: in the article by Mark Steyn I saw this bit; Yet I didn't see any mention of the fact that the last decade has been the warmest decade for a very long time according to the data. If you want the facts, look at the data, don't listen to...

And Mark Steyn is an expert on GCC? lmao What he does is merely write to create more sensationalism and doubt about whether or not shyte happens.

The data has been supplied by the half dozen different outfits that actually strew instrumentation around between ocean and space. The globe is warming except for a few people that look at the few anomalies there are to stir up the mud and those that just have opinion with little support for the...

Ton says it better than I do. lol

A likely excuse. hah! lol In essence the only reason it would matter if CRU's data was thrown out or not is because it simply supports that of the other meteorological and climactic research outfits.

IMO, the data that the CRU has posted is not that much different than that of NOAA, JMA, JAMSTEC, CSIRO, etc.

roflmao, that's great, Ton. :D

Except to most people. To informed people it is a big number. Pretty much.

Yup. But history doesn't do anything except inform. Rising temperatures do things NOW. lol

Yup. I'm still undecided on that, but I am definitely for cleaning up our act whether or not we have an effect on climate. Let the Chinese do that. They're the rich buggers these days, I hear. lol Move maybe?

Talk makes lots of things happen. Otherwise we wouldn't have people advertising us to death.

Another list of data sources: NCDC: Online Climate Data Directory There's nothing wrong with omitting anomalous data if all one is trying to do is show that the data indicates a trend. The trend is that temperatures (the mean averages) are creeping upwards.

Me, too. Mine is that I want to satisfy my curiosity (Les is the same, too) and poke holes in the hypotheses of those that think they are poking holes in research. :D