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How convenient that you and your movement ignore those historical realities in order to assess blame in a uni-dimensional manner.

The question I asked is independent of Walter's question. Care to actually respond to it?

I didn't ask if you could provide an example about the cause-effect relationship. I am interested in hearing about the base-line or the accepted range of "climate stasis" that is the measuring stick upon which anyone can make the claim that a specific variable (anthropogenic CO2) is the "cause"...

... So... What is the acceptable range of "climate stasis" that is the goal here? If you are prepared to assess a cause-effect relationship in this matter, you must have a baseline to measure against.

Waaayyy too funny.... You point-out a natural mechanism that generated this result and magically apply that concept as proof-positive of AGW. Congratulations; you've graduated to Commander of the tin-foil hat brigade

Substitute the word tax for carbon credits. In order to achieve a "0 foot print", humanity would have to be eliminated from the equation.

Very well put. Also, add in the movement's aggressive campaign to re-invent itself by changing (or trying) the focus to "climate change". They learned very quickly that they had painted themselves into a corner by only claiming the "warming" component as the proof-positive. It didn't take...

It's wwaaayyyy to late for that JLM..... I'm just worried that the Illuminati got to him.

Avro sure got quiet pretty quick You truthers sure do crack me up... I offered your buddy the opportunity to define the time frames and periods and he declined and despite the majority of the national gvts NOT bowing down to the aforementioned scamers, you still need proof. Let's face it, you...

You offer nothing in this post other than a lot of pissing and moaning. Don't ask me to prove a negative, you and your entire movement needs to man-up and prove your point. I thought that this would have been obvious by now in light that only a few of the nations on the globe are making token...

Not giving up.. Just waiting for something (anything) of substance from you

Ohhhh, poor Avro. Not so much fun when you get back what you're doing, eh? Cheers... Enjoy the weekend, albeit it's quite cold (with all the global warming and all).

Yes, along with reverse vampires and the Rand Corp. Real like Suzuki and Gore? Probably the reverse vampires .. And? Sorry about that... I pick away at this in between other stuff

Your mentors have taught you their trade well... Too bad your entire position is baseless. Warming and cooling on a cyclical basis. The "driver" is nature (or natural) as has been evidenced over the millenia. "Peer reviewed"... You mean like teh peer review at the CRU and climategate? Part...

Why don't you save the conspiracy distraction for a little later when you'll really need it. .. So, how about it. What is this compelling proof of AGW, particularly in the face that all of these mechanisms have been exemplified (in the extreme) in the distant past as well as variable...

As you have allowed me to make the decision, let's set the time frame at when the IPCC, Gore and Suzuki bagn their respective campaigns to fleece the public.

Just a friendly reminder to leave the goal posts in place. That said, you wanted a "marker" for when the discussion (in terms of the past) should begin; how about the time where the lobby groups declared (unilaterally) that AGW was fact and caused by CO2.

Lets not waste each others time, OK?

How about to the point where the majority of the movement's thrust has focused on CO2?

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