Hamas attacks Israel

[petros]

Much of the time I’m busy and I invest about two minutes towards this when I take a break every roughly 60-90 minutes when time permits.

I’m not saying your AI’s answer was garbage, but I’m saying if you put a leading question with bias to it, you get a leading answer with bias Incorporated into it.

You stated…

To back up your statement, you feed to your AI the following:
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…& do you honestly not see this yourself? How many times this Bibi mentions this has no bearing on the ones promising to perpetrate it. This would be true regardless of the topic with respect to input/output to a machine.

You need to tell that to the guy in Doha, not myself.

(YouTube & October 7 Attack Created 'Golden Moment' For Palestinian Cause: Hamas Official)

Ghazi Hamad - Wikipedia

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You claimed Ghaz Hamad said something he didn't.

Bibi repeating it IS propaganda.

He did it again today.

September 26, 2025: In his address to the United Nations General Assembly,

Netanyahu declared that the "final remnants of Hamas... vow to repeat the atrocities of October 7th again and again and again."

Is Benjamin Netanyahu leadership of Hamas?

Besides how does anything said by Hamad justify a genocide?

 

[petros]

They are laughing at him.

Way to clear out the UN Benji.

 

[Ron in Regina]

You claimed Ghaz Hamad said something he didn't.

There’s a video. In this thread. From today. Saying exactly that…post 6526. I even screenshot’d it, & posted the video.

I thought you were saying earlier today that he was dead too, but maybe I misunderstood? ‘Cuz if he’s dead, he’s still doing interviews.

http://www.cnn.com/2025/09/25/middleeast/hamas-official-oct-7-golden-moment-intl

About once every 60 to 90 minutes, I go outside for about three minutes and have a cigarette (yeah, I smoke), and that’s the amount of time during the day that I devote to this. Five or six little windows during the day of 3 minutes each, & I cruised through the headlines in the news too.

Otherwise, it’s early morning or later evening. This topic isn’t a full-time job for me.

 

[petros]

There’s a video. In this thread. From today. Saying exactly that…post 6526. I even screenshot’d it, & posted the video.

I thought you were saying earlier today that he was dead too, but maybe I misunderstood? ‘Cuz if he’s dead, he’s still doing interviews.

http://www.cnn.com/2025/09/25/middleeast/hamas-official-oct-7-golden-moment-intl

About once every 60 to 90 minutes, I go outside for about three minutes and have a cigarette (yeah, I smoke), and that’s the amount of time during the day that I devote to this. Five or six little windows during the day of 3 minutes each, & I cruised through the headlines in the news too.

Otherwise, it’s early morning or later evening. This topic isn’t a full-time job for me.

Post it. I went through everything.

Post and link the claim verbatim.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/25/middleeast/hamas-official-oct-7-golden-moment-intl

Quote and link.

 

[petros]

Post it. I went through everything. View attachment 31292

Post and link the claim verbatim.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/25/middleeast/hamas-official-oct-7-golden-moment-intl

Quote and link.

In yesterday's CNN interview with Ghazi Hamad (aired September 25, 2025, in Doha, Qatar), Hamad defended the October 7, 2023, attacks as a necessary and beneficial action for the Palestinian cause, describing them as a "golden moment" that drew global attention to Israel's actions after decades of occupation and blockade.

He expressed no regrets for the attack or its consequences, including the deaths of over 65,000 Palestinians in Gaza, and insisted it targeted only military sites (a claim disputed by evidence from the assault, which killed nearly 1,200 Israelis, mostly civilians). When pressed on Hamas's responsibility for triggering Israel's response, he deflected by questioning alternatives and justifying armed resistance.

However, unlike his explicit statements in an October 2023 LBC TV interview (where he said Hamas would repeat the "Al-Aqsa Flood" operation "a second, a third, a fourth" time until Israel is "annihilated"), Hamad did not directly state or quote that Hamas would repeat October 7 in the CNN interview. The closest related sentiments are his unapologetic defense and framing of the attack as justified and pivotal. Below are the key direct quotes from the CNN interview on this topic, with context:

On the perceived benefits of October 7:
“You know what is the benefit of October 7 now? …If you look to the (United Nations) General Assembly yesterday, when about 194 people opened their eyes and looked to the atrocity, to brutality of Israel and all of them, they condemned Israel. We waited for this moment for 77 years.”

(Context: Hamad argued the attack succeeded in shifting international opinion, citing UN condemnation of Israel and recognitions of Palestinian statehood by several countries.)

Describing it as a pivotal achievement:
“I think this is a golden moment for the world to change the history.”
(Context: This followed the above, emphasizing the attack's role in creating a historic opportunity for Palestinians despite the "high price" paid in Gaza.)

On the "high price" and lack of alternatives (refusing responsibility):
“I know the price (is) so high, but I’m asking again, what is the option?”

(Context: Responding to questions about whether the attack was worth the tens of thousands of Palestinian deaths, Hamad acknowledged the cost but blamed Israel's occupation, insisting Hamas had no other path.)

Justifying armed resistance over silence:
“What do you expect for the Palestinian to do, just to keep silent and all the world is watching the suffering of the Palestinian people and doing nothing?”

(Context: When confronted with footage of Gazans protesting against Hamas and blaming it for prolonging the war, Hamad pushed away the screen and reiterated that the attack was a legitimate response to inaction on Palestinian suffering.)

For reference, here's the full explicit quote on repetition from Hamad's 2023 LBC interview (if that's what you meant by "repeating October 7," as it's the most direct historical statement):

“The Al-Aqsa Flood [Hamas's name for October 7] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth, because we have the determination, the resolve and the capabilities to fight... Israel is a country that has no place on our land. We must remove it because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation, and must be finished... We are the victims of the occupation. Period. Therefore, nobody should blame us for what we do—on October 7, October 10, October million—everything we do is justified.”

 

[petros]

According to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), 984 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) or settlers in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) since October 7, 2023, as of September 24, 2025. This includes 965 killed by IDF and 19 by Israeli settlers.

 

[petros]

According to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), 984 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) or settlers in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) since October 7, 2023, as of September 24, 2025. This includes 965 killed by IDF and 19 by Israeli settlers.

At least 206 children and 39 women are among the deceased, suggesting a significant civilian toll.


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[petros]

Trump's Stance on West Bank Annexation

On September 25, 2025, U.S. President Donald Trump publicly stated that he would not permit Israel to annex the occupied West Bank, marking a firm rejection of proposals from Israeli far-right politicians and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition allies.e5e2ab

Speaking to reporters at the White House, Trump said, "I will not allow Israel to annex the West Bank. Nope. I will not allow it. It's not going to happen... There's been enough, it's time to stop now."4e56ae137c6d

He confirmed having discussed the matter directly with Netanyahu, though he emphasized his position regardless of prior conversations.022092

Background and Context

This declaration follows intense lobbying from Arab and Muslim leaders during a closed-door meeting with Trump on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York on September 24, 2025.19a19300cd88

Leaders from countries including Saudi Arabia warned that annexation would trigger "grave consequences," such as the collapse of the Abraham Accords—Trump's signature 2020 normalization deals between Israel and several Arab nations—and potential joint action by Muslim-majority states against Israel.9f181d

Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al-Saud noted that Trump "understands very well" these risks.242c86

(Note: The quoted post references broader Saudi statements on the issue.)

The push for annexation stems from recent recognitions of Palestinian statehood by Western allies like the UK, France, Canada, and Australia, which have prompted Netanyahu's ultranationalist partners—such as Itamar Ben-Gvir—to demand sovereignty over parts or all of the West Bank (known as Judea, Narnia and Samaria in Israeli right-wing circles).82b671c7e52d

The territory, home to about 700,000 Israeli settlers and 2.7 million Palestinians, remains under partial Israeli military control since the 1967 Six-Day War, with annexation widely viewed internationally as a barrier to a two-state solution.b778b4

Trump's position also aligns with European concerns; French President Emmanuel Macron called annexation a "red line" that could end the Abraham Accords.9961e2

During the UN meeting, Trump reportedly shared a 21-point "white paper" outlining a postwar Gaza plan, including the no-annexation commitment, though a ceasefire in the ongoing Israel-Hamas war (now nearly two years old, with over 64,000 Palestinian deaths reported) remains elusive.1bd559642743

Israeli Response and Pushback

Despite Trump's veto, Israeli right-wing lawmakers dismissed the U.S. stance, urging Netanyahu to proceed unilaterally.4d7a9b

Figures like MK Zvi Sukkot and settler leader Yossi Dagan argued that "the responsibility is Netanyahu’s" and that a majority of Israelis expect sovereignty over the area, especially post-October 7, 2023, Hamas attacks.ed692c

One X post highlighted Israel's vow that annexation is "solely its decision," framing Trump's intervention as overreach.ffe96b

Netanyahu is scheduled to meet Trump at the White House on September 29, 2025, where the issue is expected to dominate discussions alongside Gaza ceasefire talks.bf7fba

Analysts question Trump's follow-through, given his history of shifting positions on Israel-Palestine issues (e.g., his first-term recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital and the Golan Heights annexation).d6977b

However, the public pledge, tied to preserving U.S.-brokered regional alliances, suggests a pragmatic pivot amid escalating West Bank tensions, including intensified Israeli military operations since October 2023.6fb71f

Broader Implications

For Palestinians and Peace Process: The statement offers a rare reprieve, potentially preserving land for future negotiations, though Israeli settlement expansion continues unabated.06e080

U.S.-Israel Relations: It tests the "unbreakable" alliance, with some X discussions portraying it as Trump prioritizing Arab ties over Netanyahu's demands.031dba

Regional Stability: Annexation could unravel normalization efforts and spark wider unrest; Trump's intervention aims to avert that while advancing his Gaza "peace proposal," which reportedly rejects full Palestinian statehood but blocks annexation.ee98f9

This development underscores Trump's deal-making approach, balancing pro-Israel bona fides with geopolitical incentives from Arab states. Updates may follow Netanyahu's UN address on September 26, 2025.


This isn't going end well for Israel but Gog and Magog are laughing all the way to the bank.

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[petros]

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[Ron in Regina]

Post it. I went through everything. View attachment 31292

Post and link the claim verbatim.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/25/middleeast/hamas-official-oct-7-golden-moment-intl

Quote and link.

So, basically and in summary, this went according to plan for Hamas? They’re being rewarded for October 7th, and this isn’t over, & won’t be, until the map (can I say map? I won’t post a pic of one here) is redrawn eventually with Israel relegated to history like Siam or Persia? One unified swath of contiguous Muslim countries, and then the focus can be on the extremities as opposed to the centre, with places like India and Spain? Something like that?

Is Hamas committed to now stepping down, allowing the PA to take over, disbanding and disarming, etc…(?)…or not? Aren’t they “an integral part of the fabric of Palestine” and so on and so forth?

No I have not watched the speech in its entirety in the UN with many many countries representatives walking out during it, by Netanyahu, but I did watch a seven minute video of that highlights, etc…& at least Canada’s Carney didn’t participate in that childish showmanship for PR value.



I hope Mahmoud Abbas actually follows through on the commitments that he was presented with, but I don’t have high hopes, and I don’t think he will be in power in a year anyway. He’s 89yrs old, corrupt as hell, and equally unpopular in both Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas isn’t unaware of this, & with these 150-ish nations, rewarding them in the UN, it’s not gonna help negotiations between Israel & Hamas to end this current goat rodeo.

Anyway, where is Palestine at on the criteria to form statehood? The international legal criteria for statehood require that a nascent state have:
a) a permanent population;
b) a defined territory;
c) a government with effective control over that population and territory; and
d) capacity to enter into relations with other states? Maybe a portion of a portion of Palestine at this point?
e) does any of this really matter at this point?

The UN this week effectively squashed the Oslo accords, which created the PA from the PLO, so they’ve got that going for them I guess as far as legitimacy goes. I’m sure Hamas is also aware of this and it just needs to hang in there dragging this out for another year or so…until maybe ‘Palestine’ might actually follow through on the commitment to have an election.

In the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel occupied the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, which had been “held” by Jordan and Egypt respectively…for almost two decades, and it never dawned on either Jordan or Egypt to form a Palestinian state in that period.

Where do Jordan and Egypt stand on this today? What’s different now compared to then? Seems a bit hypocritical, but that’s also neither here nor there.

Jordanian annexation of the West Bank - Wikipedia

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This question may forever remain a mystery. Does that put us back to negotiations between “Israel” & “Palestine” for “mutually agreed upon” land swaps between the two of them (?) or something else?

As far as the references to the biblical names of Judea & Samaria, so back in early 1950, how many here on this forum where alive in biblical times before the West Bank was named the West Bank by Jordan 75 years ago? Is that question outside of the statute of limitations for this conversation though? What was that war about again?

 

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[Ron in Regina]

my sister likes houndstooth.

It’s all the rage now & the cool kids are wearing it.

On that note, how much closer is the Greta Sumud Humanitarian flotilla on its “urgent mission” to Gaza now?

In theory, they are probably symbolically closer today than they were a few days ago.

Flotilla Tracker - Global Movement to Gaza

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[petros]

So, basically and in summary, this went according to plan for Hamas? They’re being rewarded for October 7th, and this isn’t over, & won’t be, until the map (can I say map? I won’t post a pic of one here) is redrawn eventually with Israel relegated to history like Siam or Persia? One unified swath of contiguous Muslim countries, and then the focus can be on the extremities as opposed to the centre, with places like India and Spain? Something like that?

Is Hamas committed to now stepping down, allowing the PA to take over, disbanding and disarming, etc…(?)…or not? Aren’t they “an integral part of the fabric of Palestine” and so on and so forth?

No I have not watched the speech in its entirety in the UN with many many countries representatives walking out during it, by Netanyahu, but I did watch a seven minute video of that highlights, etc…& at least Canada’s Carney didn’t participate in that childish showmanship for PR value.
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I hope Mahmoud Abbas actually follows through on the commitments that he was presented with, but I don’t have high hopes, and I don’t think he will be in power in a year anyway. He’s 89yrs old, corrupt as hell, and equally unpopular in both Gaza and the West Bank. Hamas isn’t unaware of this, & with these 150-ish nations, rewarding them in the UN, it’s not gonna help negotiations between Israel & Hamas to end this current goat rodeo.
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Anyway, where is Palestine at on the criteria to form statehood? The international legal criteria for statehood require that a nascent state have:
a) a permanent population;
b) a defined territory;
c) a government with effective control over that population and territory; and
d) capacity to enter into relations with other states? Maybe a portion of a portion of Palestine at this point?
e) does any of this really matter at this point?

The UN this week effectively squashed the Oslo accords, which created the PA from the PLO, so they’ve got that going for them I guess as far as legitimacy goes. I’m sure Hamas is also aware of this and it just needs to hang in there dragging this out for another year or so…until maybe ‘Palestine’ might actually follow through on the commitment to have an election.

In the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel occupied the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, which had been “held” by Jordan and Egypt respectively…for almost two decades, and it never dawned on either Jordan or Egypt to form a Palestinian state in that period.

Where do Jordan and Egypt stand on this today? What’s different now compared to then? Seems a bit hypocritical, but that’s also neither here nor there.
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Jordanian annexation of the West Bank - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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This question may forever remain a mystery. Does that put us back to negotiations between “Israel” & “Palestine” for “mutually agreed upon” land swaps between the two of them (?) or something else?

As far as the references to the biblical names of Judea & Samaria, so back in early 1950, how many here on this forum where alive in biblical times before the West Bank was named the West Bank by Jordan 75 years ago? Is that question outside of the statute of limitations for this conversation though? What was that war about again?

Judea, Narnia and Sumeria don't exist in reality. Its fantasy.

Judea and Samaria: Overview
"Judea and Samaria" (Hebrew: Yehuda ve-Shomron) is a term rooted in ancient biblical geography, referring to the central hill country of what is today the land of Israel and the Palestinian territories. It encompasses the regions historically known as Judea (south of Jerusalem, including areas like Hebron and Bethlehem) and Samaria (north of Jerusalem, including Nablus and Jenin). These areas are central to Jewish history, as they were the heartland of the ancient Kingdoms of Judah and Israel, sites of key biblical events, and home to numerous archaeological and religious landmarks like the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron and Mount Gerizim in Samaria.

Too bad Christians aren't going to let them wipe their Holy site off the map.

Do you think its only "hate on Muzzie Week"?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Judea, Narnia and Sumeria don't exist in reality. Its fantasy.

Judea and Samaria: Overview
"Judea and Samaria" (Hebrew: Yehuda ve-Shomron) is a term rooted in ancient biblical geography, referring to the central hill country of what is today the land of Israel and the Palestinian territories. It encompasses the regions historically known as Judea (south of Jerusalem, including areas like Hebron and Bethlehem) and Samaria (north of Jerusalem, including Nablus and Jenin). These areas are central to Jewish history, as they were the heartland of the ancient Kingdoms of Judah and Israel, sites of key biblical events, and home to numerous archaeological and religious landmarks like the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron and Mount Gerizim in Samaria.

The ancient biblical times of early 1950. Good morning Sam Ralph Pete.

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“Ruh Roh”…

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I drive a 33-year-old midsize pick up truck with a grossly oversized engine, & I think the starter has gone out on it. I am personally investigating the possibility that this might be an Israeli conspiracy. Stay tuned for accusations.

 

[petros]

The ancient biblical times of early 1950. Good morning Sam Ralph Pete.

(YouTube & start of a day.wmv)

Is it 1950?

Winter is coming. Should Canada LARP Game of Thrones as our nationalistic fantasy?

These fuckers are larping the doomsday fantasy.

Its time to cancel this shit show.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Is it 1950?

Was early 1950 biblical times? Or do you mean from biblical times until early 1950? Not being religious, I had to Google this…


Anyway, I’m pretty sure these are both outside of the statute of limitations for this conversation anyway.

 

[petros]

Was early 1950 biblical times? Or do you mean from biblical times until early 1950? Not being religious, I had to Google this…
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Anyway, I’m pretty sure these are both outside of the statute of limitations for this conversation anyway.
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Its 2025

Read the grok link. Add to it if you dare. That is if you accept factual evidence and logic isnt garbage in.

I'm not going to argue about larpers calling something in their bullshit games with live weapons including nukes.

This is no Pixie War that fucks up your entire weekend at the Provincial Park. They are playing out the Bible.

Do you know how that game plays out in the demented Haredi heads?

 

[petros]

Its 2025

Read the grok link. Add to it if you dare. That is if you accept factual evidence and logic isnt garbage in.

I'm not going to argue about larpers calling something in their bullshit games with live weapons including nukes.

This is no Pixie War that fucks up your entire weekend at the Provincial Park. They are playing out the Bible.

Do you know how that game plays out in the demented Haredi heads?

Isn't it time you accept that? My Religion(s) RC/GC don't follow this shit. AT ALL!!! Its fringe outside of organized Christianity.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Isn't it time you accept that? My Religion(s) RC/GC don't follow this shit. AT ALL!!! Its fringe outside of organized Christianity.

Wait, are you saying that RC/GC & Judaism & Muslimism (?) are different religions with different beliefs? Even I picked up on that about five decades ago. I’m not completely obtuse, just on the outside looking in.

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[petros]

Wait, are you saying that RC/GC & Judaism & Muslimism (?) are different religions with different beliefs? Even I picked up on that about five decades ago. I’m not completely obtuse, just on the outside looking in.

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But there are no doomsday cults in power physically playing out their bizarre events and eschatology in the US or Israel? None? Zero? Zip zant doodley squat? Zilch? Nada?

Nothing bizarre and unhinged at all?