We must never let Brussels turn Holocaust denial into a crime

earth_as_one

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http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_pers1.htm

The sorry history....why we need a Jewish state.....
Agreed. But we should not have committed a new crime against humanity to address a previous one.

How would you feel if the UN partitioned Nova Scotia and turned the best parts of it into a Jewish homeland? How would you feel if Zionists bombed your town and razed it to make way for Jewish only colonies? Amazing how generous people can be when they are giving away someone else's home, rather than their own.

Holocaust deniers may be scumbags, but the truth doesn't need to be protected by laws. People should be free to investigate and question historical "facts".

People who deny al Nakba are also scumbags. But I don't see anyone being locked up for pretending 4 million Palestinians don't exist.
 

darkbeaver

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Its basic and exposed?

Both of those imply its honest and true and honest. So does that mean your going to actually lay out the level of proof you require to make a decision? Are you going to let us hold your beliefs about the world to the standards you yourself have set?

You go ahead Zzarchov and lay out your own criteria, mine is simple, if something stinks it's likely rotten, if it's smoking there's fire if there's quacking there's a duck. I'm going to let you do exactly as you wish. Your position requires the herding remedy of contrived legalities to promote it's basis. The position is therefore unable to stand as it's own selfevident truth. You would do well to attempt to approach emulation of my high standards Zzarchov. But sadly your precontitioning prevents even an attempted liberation from your chains.
 

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You go ahead Zzarchov and lay out your own criteria, mine is simple, if something stinks it's likely rotten, if it's smoking there's fire if there's quacking there's a duck. I'm going to let you do exactly as you wish. Your position requires the herding remedy of contrived legalities to promote it's basis. The position is therefore unable to stand as it's own selfevident truth. You would do well to attempt to approach emulation of my high standards Zzarchov. But sadly your precontitioning prevents even an attempted liberation from your chains.

So basically "If Darkbeaver wants it to be true, it is, if Darkbeaver doesn't want it to be true it isn't".

Good to know your high standards of debate and investigation.
 

Zzarchov

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Agreed. But we should not have committed a new crime against humanity to address a previous one.

How would you feel if the UN partitioned Nova Scotia and turned the best parts of it into a Jewish homeland? How would you feel if Zionists bombed your town and razed it to make way for Jewish only colonies? Amazing how generous people can be when they are giving away someone else's home, rather than their own.

Holocaust deniers may be scumbags, but the truth doesn't need to be protected by laws. People should be free to investigate and question historical "facts".

People who deny al Nakba are also scumbags. But I don't see anyone being locked up for pretending 4 million Palestinians don't exist.

Well we could go over how that involves you pretending there were no Jewish independance movements before any foreign settlement

of how easy pro-palestinian groups find it to ignore the Palestinian occupation of Jerusalem when they talk about "illegal occupied territories" and how the Palestinians always want to have part of Jerusalem as their state..even though it is territory they have illegally occupied.

Seems to me Palestinian movements like Hamas and Fatah seem to think occupying territories that don't belong to you with force is A.Ok...

Treat others as you wish to be treated so they say..
 

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Well we could go over how that involves you pretending there were no Jewish independance movements before any foreign settlement

of how easy pro-palestinian groups find it to ignore the Palestinian occupation of Jerusalem when they talk about "illegal occupied territories" and how the Palestinians always want to have part of Jerusalem as their state..even though it is territory they have illegally occupied.

Seems to me Palestinian movements like Hamas and Fatah seem to think occupying territories that don't belong to you with force is A.Ok...

Treat others as you wish to be treated so they say..
Back up your claims with references please...

From what I know about the war, 10,000 Jewish civilians were cleansed from one side while 800,000 non-Jew civilians were cleansed by Zionist side. Seems to me that most of these people on both sides were innocent victims.

According to international law its a war crime not to allow refugees the right to return home or compensation.

Back on subject. Not everyone who doesn't believe the Holocaust happened exactly the way its described by Israeli apologists are deniers. Some are revisionists.

Example:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p251_Butz.html
 

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Yes and I agree Refugees should be allowed home.

The problem is Palestinians want to rewrite the definition of refugee to make them special above every other group of human beings in the planet, including ones who have suffered far worse.

If actual palestinian refugees asked to return home to end their greivances they would be allowed, I can almost guarantee it.

The rewriting of the definition to match that of the UN Relief and Works Agency doesn't apply to International Law, as the UNRWA definition was passed after the declaration of human rights and has never been agreed as a valid definition of a refugee, nor would it pass as it itself violates human rights by putting Palestinians as a superior class of human over other refugee groups such as the Hmong.

People of Palestinian descent are being treated in poor conditions in Lebanon especially, worse than Israel by far, and should be lobbying for Equal rights to other Lebanese. And they are Lebanese, they were born and raised there.
 

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Justice delayed is justice denied. Letting a few surviving refugees return home after most have died of old age and ignoring the other four million is hardly just and won't lead to peace. Only a just solution can lead to peace. Israel cannot be rewarded for 60 years of injustice and international law violations. Other refugee problems would be solved the same way and effectively refugees would loose the right guarenteed by international law to return home or compensation.

The Palestinian refugee problem is no ordinary case. No other refugee problem is as big or lasted so long. Also the UN is just as responsible as Israel for creating this problem. The UN voted to create this problem and then allowed Israel to violate international laws for decades without consequences.

If Jews can claim a right to this land after hundreds of generations and thousands of years, then Palestinians can also claim the same right after just one or two generations and only sixty years.

The Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza face far worse conditions than that faced by Palestinians in other countries. But that's not saying much.

Hamas condemns the Holocaust

We are not engaged in a religious conflict with Jews; this is a political struggle to free ourselves from occupation and oppression

May 12 2008

As the Palestinian people prepare to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the Nakba ("catastrophe") - the dispossession and expulsion of most of our people from our land - those remaining in Palestine face escalating aggression, killings, imprisonment, ethnic cleansing and siege. But instead of support and solidarity from the western media, we face frequent attempts to defend the indefensible or turn fire on the Palestinians themselves.

One recent approach, which seems to be part of the wider attempt to isolate the elected Palestinian leadership, is to portray Hamas and the population of the Gaza strip as motivated by anti-Jewish sentiment, rather than a hostility to Zionist occupation and domination of our land. A recent front page article in the International Herald Tribune followed this line, as did an article for Cif about an item broadcast on the al-Aqsa satellite TV channnel about the Nazi Holocaust.

In fact, the al-Aqsa Channel is an independent media institution that often does not express the views of the Palestinian government headed by Ismail Haniyeh or of the Hamas movement. The channel regularly gives Palestinians of different convictions the chance to express views that are not shared by the Palestinian government or the Hamas movement. In the case of the opinion expressed on al-Aqsa TV by Amin Dabbur, it is his alone and he is solely responsible for it.

It is rather surprising to us that so little attention, if any, is given by the western media to what is regularly broadcast or written in the Israeli media by politicians and writers demanding the total uprooting or "transfer" of the Palestinian people from their land.

The Israeli media and pro-Israel western press are full of views that deny or seek to excuse well-established facts of history including the Nakba of 1948 and the massacres perpetrated then by the Haganah, the Irgun and LEHI with the objective of forcing a mass dispossession of the Palestinians.

But it should be made clear that neither Hamas nor the Palestinian government in Gaza denies the Nazi Holocaust. The Holocaust was not only a crime against humanity but one of the most abhorrent crimes in modern history. We condemn it as we condemn every abuse of humanity and all forms of discrimination on the basis of religion, race, gender or nationality.

And at the same time as we unreservedly condemn the crimes perpetrated by the Nazis against the Jews of Europe, we categorically reject the exploitation of the Holocaust by the Zionists to justify their crimes and harness international acceptance of the campaign of ethnic cleansing and subjection they have been waging against us - to the point where in February the Israeli deputy defence minister Matan Vilnai threatened the people of Gaza with a "holocaust".

Within 24 hours, 61 Palestinians - more than half of them civilians and a quarter children - were killed in a series of air raids. Meanwhile, a horrible crime against humanity continues to be perpetrated against the people of Gaza: the two-year-old siege imposed after Hamas won the legislative elections in January 2006, which is causing great suffering. Due to severe shortages of medicines and food, scores of Palestinians have lost their lives.

It cannot be right that Europeans in general and the British in particular maintain a virtual silence toward what the Zionists are doing to the Palestinians, let alone supporting or justifying their oppressive policies, under the pretext of showing sympathy for the victims of the Holocaust.

The Palestinian people aspire to freedom, independence and peaceful coexistence with all their neighbours. There are, today, more than six million Palestinian refugees. No less than 700,000 Palestinians have been detained at least once by the Israeli occupation authorities since 1967. Hundreds of thousands have so far been killed or wounded. Little concern seems to be caused by all of this or by the erection of an apartheid wall that swallows more than 20% of the West Bank land or the heavily armed colonies that devour Palestinian land in a blatant violation of international law.

The plight of our people is not the product of a religious conflict between us and the Jews in Palestine or anywhere else: the aims and positions of today's Hamas have been repeatedly spelled out by its leadership, for example in Hamas's 2006 programme for government. The conflict is of a purely political nature: it is between a people who have come under occupation and an oppressive occupying power.

Our right to resistance against occupation is recognised by all conventions and religious traditions. The Jews are for us the people of a sacred book who suffered persecution in European lands. Whenever they sought refuge, Muslim and Arab lands provided them with safe havens. It was in our midst that they enjoyed peace and prosperity; many of them held leading positions in Muslim countries.

After almost a century of Zionist colonial and racist oppression, some Palestinians find it hard to imagine that some of their oppressors are the sons and daughters of those who were themselves oppressed and massacred.

Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust but find themselves punished for someone else's crime. But we are well aware and warmly welcome the outspoken support for Palestinian rights by Israeli and Jewish human rights activists in Palestine and around the world.

We hope that journalists in the west will begin to adopt a more objective approach when covering events in Palestine. The Palestinian people are being killed by Israel's machine of destruction on a daily basis. Nevertheless, we still see a clear bias in favour of Israel in the western media.

The Europeans bear a direct responsibility for what is befalling the Palestinians today. Britain was the mandate authority that handed over Palestine to Israeli occupation. Nazi Germany perpetrated the most heinous crimes against Jews, forcing the survivors to migrate to Palestine in pursuit of safety. We, therefore, expect the Europeans to atone for their historic crimes by restoring some balance to the inhuman and one-sided international response to the tragedy of our people.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/12/hamascondemnstheholocaust
 
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Get it straight Colpy--You follow the Zionist script without using your litle brain.
Hanna's suitcase was made by the Russians and haded to the Jews. It wasn't the Jews that reconstructed Hanna's suitcase.
The Nuremberg Tribunal "established" that four million PEOPLE (Jews and non-Jews) had been KILLED (by all means) at Auschwitz.] You are correct Colpy no one ever took the 4 million serious just like you can't be taken serious. Like most Americans, since his youth Cole had been instructed in the "irrefutable fact" that homicidal gassings had taken place at Auschwitz. The number of those so executed - also declared irrefutable - was 4.1 million. It was the Russians, Right Colpy?

From 1945 to 1960, Allied propaganda and the Allied courts told us that homicidal gas chambers had been used at Dachau, Mauthausen and Hartheim. Apparently, there was no lack of evidence, of witnesses and of confessions to that fact

They especially emphasized the Dachau "gas chamber" and its victims.. American propaganda was so fulminant that, if there is any country in the world today where the "gassings" at Dachau are considered to be as well proven as the existence of the pyramids in Egypt, it is the U.S.A.


One of the decisive days at the Nuremberg show trial was that on which the prosecution exhibited a film about the German concentration camps. The ultimate horror came with a view of the "gas chamber" at Dachau. The narrator explained the functioning of the machinery which supposedly gassed "probably a hundred men at one time." We cannot overemphasize how much that film on "Nazi Concentration Camps" - 6,000 feet selected from the 80,000 feet that had been shot - captured and influenced the popular imagination, including most of the German defendants.

It is likely that the two events which helped most to stir up public opinion against the vanquished Germans were, first, the showing of that film, and second, the sort of public confession of Rudolf Höss, "the Commandant of Auschwitz" made before the tribunal. Today we know that his confession was "dictated." The substance of it flowed from the sick imagination of a British Jew who was one of the men who tortured Höss after his capture (see R. Faurisson, "How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss," The Journal of Historical Review, Winter, 1986-1987, p. 389-403).

But the story of the Dachau "gassings" was also made up out of thin air. We had to wait until 1960 for the liars to admit it. You want to call someone a hate monger, Colpy,--look in the mirror--
 

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Actually the Palestinian case is only not ordinary in that they believe the laws should impact them differently.

If you start counting in the children of refugees (and their children etc) then the Palestinians are still not that large of a group in the grand scheme. Even the Algerian Refugees (who were never allowed to return home) outnumber the Palestinians.

Palestinians are not special. In no way shape or form is their situation unique or worse than other people.

I also notice you keep avoiding how the Palestinians are escaping justice for their decades long military occupation of Jerusalem in violation of International Law, and how all the "solutions" they put forward involves the continued illegal occupation.
 

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Ummm, history is rewritten everyday.

Our current gang of historians....

http://www.rense.com/general60/stun.htm

The fourth estate in America is a lever of power that has nothing to do with the "truth".

Now ask yourself why hate crime laws, which are really thought crime laws, have been used almost exclusively to target people who question the Zionist reality created for us?

Why does a religion require the creation of a country for its followers?

Why is that country now the 4th largest arms exporter in the world?

Well, I guess when you are the most persecuted peoples in teh history of the world then you need your arms!
 

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Actually the Palestinian case is only not ordinary in that they believe the laws should impact them differently.

If you start counting in the children of refugees (and their children etc) then the Palestinians are still not that large of a group in the grand scheme. Even the Algerian Refugees (who were never allowed to return home) outnumber the Palestinians.

Palestinians are not special. In no way shape or form is their situation unique or worse than other people.

I also notice you keep avoiding how the Palestinians are escaping justice for their decades long military occupation of Jerusalem in violation of International Law, and how all the "solutions" they put forward involves the continued illegal occupation.

If the original inhabitants of Israel, the Palestinians, aren't special Zzarchov why do you worry so much about them? I happen to know that Israelis almost to a voter think the Palestinians are the second most special people on the planet.
 

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They aren't special in terms of refugee status to require them to be treated above other human beings.

They also mostly aren't the "original inhabitants" because they never inhabited Israel, they were born outside of it.

It would be a damn hypocritical statements (as a Canadian not of Native ancestry) to claim people are inhabitants of anywhere but the land of their birth.
 

darkbeaver

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They aren't special in terms of refugee status to require them to be treated above other human beings.

They also mostly aren't the "original inhabitants" because they never inhabited Israel, they were born outside of it.

It would be a damn hypocritical statements (as a Canadian not of Native ancestry) to claim people are inhabitants of anywhere but the land of their birth.

Well who is special in terms of refugee status requiring exceptional treatment?A.__________________
So almost nobody in Israel is an inhabitant then by virtue of forign birth.
It would be incorrect to insist inhabitation only has license in the land of ones birth, everyone knows you inhabit what you can hold and defend, those are the rules, Israel lives or dies by them. The natural rules will decide it seems.
 

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Well who is special in terms of refugee status requiring exceptional treatment?A.__________________
So almost nobody in Israel is an inhabitant then by virtue of forign birth.
It would be incorrect to insist inhabitation only has license in the land of ones birth, everyone knows you inhabit what you can hold and defend, those are the rules, Israel lives or dies by them. The natural rules will decide it seems.

If most people in Israel are foreign immigrants than you are correct. But I hate to point out that over 60 years, that is not the case.

Most people in Israel were born in Israel, in many cases so where their parents and their grandparents.

Likewise most Refugees were never in Israel, nor where their parents and in some cases their grandparents.
 

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Actually the Palestinian case is only not ordinary in that they believe the laws should impact them differently.

If you start counting in the children of refugees (and their children etc) then the Palestinians are still not that large of a group in the grand scheme. Even the Algerian Refugees (who were never allowed to return home) outnumber the Palestinians.

Palestinians are not special. In no way shape or form is their situation unique or worse than other people.

I also notice you keep avoiding how the Palestinians are escaping justice for their decades long military occupation of Jerusalem in violation of International Law, and how all the "solutions" they put forward involves the continued illegal occupation.

Children of refugees count in this case for two reasons.

1) The UN passed specific resolutions from the beginning of the conflict stating that this case is unique and applies to descendants.
2)The UN is partly responsible for creating the refugee problem and they recognize their responsibility.

Can you point to another example where the UN helped turn 800,000 people into nationaless refugees and then allowed those refugees to linger in legal limbo for 60+ years?

As I said, justice delayed is justice denied. Seems to me you are more intersted in rewarding Israel's past and present illegal behavior which keeps this war going than finding a just solution which leads to peace.

Regarding Jerusalem, I'm not sure what you are referring to, given this reality:



(Photo 1: Mt. of Olives-Jerusalem: the ruins of the demolished house of
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Introduction

Another year is upon us and Jerusalem under occupation is being the target of the most intense Judaization campaign that aims at creating new facts on the ground. Despite the fact that Palestinian Jerusalemites are steadfast in front of this campaign, yet the transfer plans, the Israeli intent to erase the Arab identity and character of the occupied city, demolishing the social and economical fabric to which the Israeli government have budgeted enormous resources (more than NIS 50 billion) are issues that are beyond the ability of Palestinian Jerusalemites to face off to.

The recent events near the Moroccan Gate Of Al Haram Al Sharif are only the beginning of the phase of programmed demolition of Al Aqsa Mosque and the building of the Jewish Temple in light of the despicable Arab and international silence. Such silence is, in fact, encouraging Israeli occupation forces to continue with its plans in the Holy City.

The International Community and the United Nations have a huge legal responsibility towards Jerusalem in its capacity as an occupied city. As such, International Llw obliges the Occupying Power to keep the status quo and not to make any changes to its current character. The International Community should also bear its responsibility in subjugating Israeli occupation authorities to the articles of International Law especially the Hague and Geneva Accords calling for the support of the Palestinian People, something Israel is continuing to refuse to adhere to.

This study reports on the recent Israeli violations in regards to house demolition in the Occupied City of Jerusalem during the month of January 2007.

House Demolition

The municipality of occupied Jerusalem started the new year with a series of crimes through which it forced Palestinians out of their homes before demolishing it atop its contents in a manner that was indicative of racial animosity, hatred and insistence on turning the city into a purely Jewish city.

Accompanied with the house demolition campaign was a series of psychological warfare designed to prevent Palestinian Jerusalemites from practicing their fundamental right of appropriate housing for themselves and their families that provides them with the needed shelter, privacy, safety and dignity. The tools of this warfare (which was published on the net and in the newspapers) consisted of threats and doomsday scenarios if the Palestinian Jerusalemite violated the rules and regulations of the Municipality which makes getting a building permit in Jerusalem 'a procedural impossibility' according to an Israeli court judge.

An example of such warfare was an ad titled 'Announcement and Warning' published in the first week of January 2007 by the Municipality of occupied Jerusalem in Al Quds newspaper. In it, the Municipality threatened with a series of retributions and penalties against Palestinians who violate the building codes of the Municipality. Such penalties include aerial photography and the confiscation of building tools such as tractors, cement carriers and mixers, electrical generators in addition to the demolishing of the building (houses and otherwise). The ad/warning was signed by, Yousi Hayalo, the legal counselor of the Municipality, and Osnat Foset, the Municipality engineer.

An earlier warning was published in September 2006 on the Municipality's website under the title 'Announcement and Warning to All Construction Engineers and Planners' in which the Municipality declared that it will (in case of illegal building): 'Court cases will be submitted against permit's owner, the planner, supervision manager, executive manager and the contractor carrying out the building process'.

Moreover, the Israeli weekly newspaper 'Urshaliem' published another warning in its edition of the last week of July 2006 in which it stated: ' The Jerusalem Municipality will carryout never known-before steps to stop building violations in the Old City of Jerusalem. Building inspectors from the Municipality's Licensing and Monitoring Department will be accompanied by the Israeli Police at the entrance gates of the Old City to stop the entry of building materials in. As such, all vehicles carrying building materials into the Old City will be stopped, searched and its destination known'.

Such steps were taken to stop Palestinians from renovating Al Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock, the Church of the Holy Sculpture as well as building any bathroom, kitchen or renovating any Palestinian house inside the Old City. Equipment and building materials are confiscated and the Palestinian(s) transporting them will be arrested and fined. On the other hand, if the materials are destined to the Western Wall (the Wailing Wall) or the Jewish settlements in Aqabat Al Khalidiay, Aqabat Al Mufti, Harat Al Sa'adiya among other settlement locations in the Old City, then building materials are guaranteed free access without any hindrances.

Another form of the psychological warfare is the tendency of the Municipality to publish the picture and the details of finished apartment complexes and buildings as to warn the citizens from buying or renting there under the pretext that it is 'illegal.'

The field workers of Land Research Center have documented the following house demolitions in Jerusalem during January 2007:
  • The eviction and the demolition of the house of Mrs. Malook Kazem Abdullah in Khliiat Al Ein location in Al Tur ( Mt. Olives) on January 15th, 2007. The family consisted of 12 individuals. Malook, the housewife, indicated the following: ' I was in the house when one of my neighbors called me up to ask about the reason behind the presence of a large number of Border Police, Israeli Police and bulldozers around the house. I opened the door to see what was happening only to be surprised by an attack by armed men with their police dogs. They dragged me out of the house for a distance of a few meters. Then a female soldiers accompanied by a police dog went into my daughter's room and dragged her out of the house by her shoulder. All other family members were treated in a similar way. They removed us from the house and then began to demolish it atop its content. Even our IDs and house licensing plans were left there. Bulldozers smashed part of the furniture that we managed to get out as well as a barrack where my sons used to work and 30 trees that were uprooted'.
  • On January 16th, 2007, the Jerusalem Municipality bulldozers demolished the house of the Mr. Basem Siyam and his 5-member family in Al Abbasiya location in Al Thury neighborhood south of the old city under the pretext that part of the house was located on a terminated street.
  • On January 16th, 2007, the Jerusalem Municipality bulldozers demolished the 135-m2 house of Mr. Mahmoud Ahmad Al Abbasi in Al Sweih Neighborhood in Silwan without any prior warning. Mr. Mahmoud said the following in describing the demolition process: ' The soldiers behaved terribly with the residents of the neighborhood. I wasn't in the place at the time of the demolition. I knew about the soldiers heading there, so I rushed back and asked the Police Officer and the representative of the Municipality to show me the demolition order. They said 'we'll show you' after which they handcuffed and transported me to the nearby police station until the demolition was completed. They even demolished the lower section of the house which was not included in the demolition order. The soldiers even beat a number of my relatives and people from the neighborhood and detained a number of them at the police station until the demolition was done at 7:00 PM'.
  • The demolition of a 4-story building in Sur Baher while attacking its owners. On the 22nd of January, 2007, bulldozers owned by the Municipality of occupied Jerusalem accompanied by Israeli security personnel demolished a 4-story building that contained 8 housing units belonged to the sons of Mr. Mohammad Hammad Al A'amas at 10:30 AM in Sur Baher. When the son, Mahmoud, heard about the news of the demolition he rushed to the house where he was beaten by the Police who prevented him from reaching his house. He was also detained in the police jeep along with his brother-in-law. They were later transferred to Al Mukabber Police Station where they stayed until the demolition was over with at 5:00 PM. The building was demolished under the pretext that it was built without a proper permit.



(Photo 2: Sur Baher- Jerusalem: a child from​
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http://www.poica.org/editor/case_studies/view.php?recordID=999
 

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Ya I can give you another concrete example in fact of 900,000 people forced from their home by UN initiatives.

Algeria. Decolonized because of UN mandates (started under the league of nations in the same way as Israel)

Other ones far worse that were not UN administered?

India's Partition. 17 million (only 14 million made it meaning 3 million died)
 

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Which UN resolution partioned India and Pakistan? When India and Pakistan were partitioned, an equal number of people were displaced on both sides at the same time. How many people who moved into the homes of the people displaced were recent immigrants to India/Pakistan fleeing a war someplace else? Sounds to me like a civil war, not a foreign invasion.

Which UN resolution partitioned Algeria? Didn't Algeria hold a referendum to become independant? Again it sounds more like a civil war.

In the case of Palestine, they were over run by foreigners fleeing a war in Europe. The new immigrants seized control and dispalced the locals. The UN and European powers recognized their responsiblity for creating a problem in many resolutions to address this problem. But instead of acting they've allowed Israel to continue the injustice and oppression for 60 years.

This conflict could have been settled peacefully 60 years ago if Israel had let the refugees return as per international law and the terms Israel agreed to when the UN recognized Israel. But now its a 60 year long ongoing crime against humanity.

It really doesn't matter anyway. Might makes right. Israel lives by the sword and is surrounded by more than a billion hostile people. The longterm consequences are inevitable. The only way Palestinians will get justice is by fighting for it. The other choice is to accept the injustice of rotting indefinitely in poverty as nationless refugees.
 

Zzarchov

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EAO,

Kindly tell me where you got the idea India and Pakistan were divided by a UN Mandate?


Algeria was cut free by virtue of UN decolonization efforts.

If you are looking for an exact resolution detailing the way things worked out you won't find it.

Much as you won't find any UN resolution asking for a Palestinian occupied Jerusalem nor Jordanian annexation.

Israel was not created by a UN resolution. In the end it was created by a civil war, it also did not include a "flood of European Jewry", as I hate to point out that a bunch of malnourished rabble don't magically pop into an army that defeats the opposing forces.


No UN army fended off the Arab forces. The UN document didn't transform into a giant robot and create Israel.

If you call the decolonization process (the same one that created the mandate of Palestine) useless and refer to Civil wars, then guess what, Israel also was created by a civil war.

If Lebanese and Jordanian citizens want equal rights and not to be discriminated against for being of Palestinian ancestry they should fight for it.

And Israel should have let them back in, and Palestinians should have ceased the illegal occupation of Jerusalem.