US in deep trouble for killing 60 children!!

[dancing-loon]

He might, but it should have no bearing on his decision. He's of the cloth of the warrior young strong and innocent. These laments about the cost of war could paper over the planet. They have never listened, they continue to die by the millions for the privilaged. Maybe he's different.

I know, Beaver, I read your answer to him and realized the wisdom in it. He could be lucky and return some day in the future with an engineering degree in his pocket. That seemed to be his main aim, I gathered. Whatever he will decide I wish him luck.

 

[dancing-loon]

Canada's military suicide rate doubled in a year, documents show


The suicide rate among Canada's soldiers doubled from 2006 to 2007, rising to a rate triple that of the general population, according to data obtained through access to information requests. Last year, the number of suicides among regular and reserve members of the Canadian Forces rose to 36, the highest in more than a decade, military police records obtained by Maj. Michel Sartori show.

Sartori, a Laval University doctoral student, has been gathering information about military suicides for years. It's the subject of his thesis and a topic close to his heart, since five of his colleagues killed themselves after a tour of duty in Yugoslavia in 1994.

He believes the rise is linked to the intensification of Canada's mission in Afghanistan when soldiers moved into the volatile southern region in 2006.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/04/18/suicide-rates.html
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A personal comment from the wife of a soldier who took his own life: By Pamela Singleton...

I've had a glimpse of some of the comments on here and it's a bit shocking to me how vastly different some opinions can be. To those of you who have lost loved ones, my deepest condolences....I was the wife of a soldier who also committed suicide in 2006. To those who are spewing ignorant comments, please do a little more research before you comment on something you clearly know nothing about. Some of your comments are, quite frankly, laughable.

Let's also forget about the politics, George Bush, "cult" comments, etc...and just remember those who lost or took their lives...and what a "dark place" they must have been in to see no other choice but suicide.

Indeed, what a dark and hopeless place any suicidal person is in!

 

[Zzarchov]

not ANY , some people are of very sound mind and body when they do it.

As for the soldiers, I think we need better psyciatric counselling if its becoming a problem, but knowing that you could be in a war and you could get messed up or killed (physically or mentally) is literally what they signed on for. I know I did.

 

[einmensch]

Yes and they volunteered knowing full well that they may need to kill--
They went to kill in a country that has done nothing to us-
to kill, subjugate a people
What did they expect<<>> Sunshine and drinks on beaches?

Perhaps recruiters pick people that have death wishes--they certainly are not the most intelligent--
Strange --the defenders commit suicide with a purpose

Her husband--I guess he didn't have much to come home to ??

Rather than suicide have some guts and tell the story to Canadians--the one that believe we are in Afghanistan to help the people.

Die Wahrheit liegt im Auge des Betrachters-Thank
you Loon-first time I've heard that notion worded in German-

 

[einmensch]

Zz sound mind and body when they commit suicide. You are full of it Zz. But then again Die Wahrheit liegt im Auge des Betrachters.

 

[EagleSmack]

Perhaps recruiters pick people that have death wishes--they certainly are not the most intelligent--
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How nice. You should be proud of yourself for this one.

 

[dancing-loon]

not ANY , some people are of very sound mind and body when they do it.

As for the soldiers, I think we need better psyciatric counselling if its becoming a problem, but knowing that you could be in a war and you could get messed up or killed (physically or mentally) is literally what they signed on for. I know I did.

Oh, you were a soldier, Zzarchov? When and where? At least you survived!

 

[dancing-loon]

Yes and they volunteered knowing full well that they may need to kill--
They went to kill in a country that has done nothing to us-
to kill, subjugate a people
What did they expect<<>> Sunshine and drinks on beaches?

Perhaps recruiters pick people that have death wishes--they certainly are not the most intelligent--
Strange --the defenders commit suicide with a purpose

Her husband--I guess he didn't have much to come home to ??

Rather than suicide have some guts and tell the story to Canadians--the one that believe we are in Afghanistan to help the people.

Die Wahrheit liegt im Auge des Betrachters-Thank
you Loon-first time I've heard that notion worded in German-

You are welcome!:smile:
First time for me, too.

Whether this young husband didn't have much to come home to or not, is unknown to us, but I can imagine how some sensitive boys struggle to be tough and not admit they can't stomach the sights of torn bodies, or they might be afraid and get teased to death by their comrades. And so much bravery and coolness is expected of them, and they try hard to not disappoint their parents back home, want to make them proud of their son.

The Canadian Armed Forces may consider allowing landed immigrants to enlist in order to meet its increasing recruitment targets.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/08/21/landed-immigrants-military.html

Two years ago I read that they were targeting the poorer Maritime provinces for young recruits.

 

[Zzarchov]

Oh, you were a soldier, Zzarchov? When and where? At least you survived!

I wasn't in any danger, it was back in the days when the Canadian military was a giant joke about Rubber guns and helicopter debris.

None the less, it was stated very repeatedly and left with no uncertainty. You were not being trained as peacekeepers, you are being trained as soldiers who will need to kill people, and that you may be sent into wars you do not agree with. And everyone had the option to leave boot camp and not continue taking a paycheck if that wasn't what you signed up for. It was also very clearly explained about how civilians get caught in the crossfire, and how to minimize the odds of that (but still noting that it can happen).

I was an infantry grunt getting money for college mind you, but I still swore my oath and I take that seriously, as it doesn't end when you leave the military.


@ Ein

Yes, many people do commit suicide in sound mind in body, both for reasons of personal honour (mostly in other cultures) and reasons of logic (such as Euthanasia)

 

[einmensch]

Zzarchov Quote-->Yes, many people do commit suicide in sound mind in body, both for reasons of personal honour (mostly in other cultures) and reasons of logic (such as Euthanasia)
Zz- Like German Officers shooting themselves or Japanese, or captain of a sinking ship-Are they sane?
Euthanasia--is that not a result of illness?
Palestinian etc. suicide bombers are they insane with hate
Suicide as a protest?

Your full of silly excuses Zz-I paid for my University education and the last year of my wife's. I worked 2 summers in a mine, drove for Coke for 2 summers and various other part time jobs.
But being a hired killer appealed to you , I guess. If it were in defence of your home and country, I would respect you, but other than that I see a piece of dirt.

 

[EagleSmack]

But being a hired killer appealed to you , I guess. If it were in defence of your home and country, I would respect you, but other than that I see a piece of dirt.

So that is what Canadian soldiers are to you? Hired killers?

 

[einmensch]

Zzarchov states--"you are being trained as soldiers who will need to kill people" was made clear and he took the job---so he's prepared to be a killer ---it appealed to him! HE HAD NO OBJECTION ---since he had no objection to killing he should have no objection to being killed-- for killing not in defence but in offence far from home he may be awarded an Iron Cross, Purple Heart, whatever-Yes, a cook is a cook-- But tell me Smack, what does a sniper do as a job, not in defence of home and family and country? Perhaps you can tell me why Canadian troops are stationed in Afghanistan until 2011?
They are professional soldiers-mercenaries on minimum wage-

The boys that join have no idea of what they will experience.
The Universal soldier-you understand the song Eagle Smack?

 

[einmensch]

Perhaps instead of a "piece of dirt" -a poor misguided child, would have been more appropriate

 

[dancing-loon]

I wasn't in any danger, it was back in the days when the Canadian military was a giant joke about Rubber guns and helicopter debris.

None the less, it was stated very repeatedly and left with no uncertainty. You were not being trained as peace-keepers, you are being trained as soldiers who will need to kill people, and that you may be sent into wars you do not agree with. And everyone had the option to leave boot camp and not continue taking a paycheck if that wasn't what you signed up for. It was also very clearly explained about how civilians get caught in the crossfire, and how to minimize the odds of that (but still noting that it can happen).

I was an infantry grunt getting money for college mind you, but I still swore my oath and I take that seriously, as it doesn't end when you leave the military.

So, you trained as a regular soldier to be a peace-keeper? I can picture that! A peace-keeper has to defend himself first of all, and secondly prevent a madman from killing others.

Here is a list of fatalities: http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/fatalities/

Are you now classified as a reservist who could be called in case of emergencies?

 

[Zzarchov]

So, you trained as a regular soldier to be a peace-keeper? I can picture that! A peace-keeper has to defend himself first of all, and secondly prevent a madman from killing others.

Here is a list of fatalities: http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/fatalities/

Are you now classified as a reservist who could be called in case of emergencies?

No, you trained as a soldier to be a soldier. At times you might be sent as a peace-keeper, but you were in the end, a soldier. Not a peace-keeper.

A peace-keeper is just a soldier from a neutral third party who sits between two factions who are not currently at war, as incentive for them not to fight, fearing if you get hit in the crossfire you will take sides against them.

 

[Zzarchov]

Zzarchov Quote-->Yes, many people do commit suicide in sound mind in body, both for reasons of personal honour (mostly in other cultures) and reasons of logic (such as Euthanasia)
Zz- Like German Officers shooting themselves or Japanese, or captain of a sinking ship-Are they sane?
Euthanasia--is that not a result of illness?
Palestinian etc. suicide bombers are they insane with hate
Suicide as a protest?

Your full of silly excuses Zz-I paid for my University education and the last year of my wife's. I worked 2 summers in a mine, drove for Coke for 2 summers and various other part time jobs.
But being a hired killer appealed to you , I guess. If it were in defence of your home and country, I would respect you, but other than that I see a piece of dirt.

And I would care what a Nazi who supports murdering an entire people for wrongs he feels they have committed than in no way impact him or his country?

If Im willing to kill and be killed to hold true to my beliefs, that makes you someone who willing to have other kill for his beliefs.

I don't really think I need to care about what you say now do I?

 

[einmensch]

Zzarchov states--And I would care what a Nazi who supports murdering an entire people for wrongs he feels they have committed than in no way impact him or his country?

If Im willing to kill and be killed to hold true to my beliefs, that makes you someone who willing to have other kill for his beliefs.

I don't really think I need to care about what you say now do I?
If Im willing to kill and be killed to hold true to my beliefs, that makes you someone who willing to have other kill for his beliefs.

I don't really think I need to care about what you say now do I?

You really don't think. Calling me a Nazi is your brilliant rebuttal. You poor insignificant rabid puppy.
Too bad you didn't get the chance to kill NAZIS. I guess you were born too late to express your hate other than here and in your nightly dreams.
Sleep tight, don't let the dead Nazis bite!

 

[zoofer]

Military suicides are no greater % than that of the general population. Probably a quarter of the Native Indian deaths on our Reserves.
Shame.

 

[dancing-loon]

Military suicides are no greater % than that of the general population. Probably a quarter of the Native Indian deaths on our Reserves.
Shame.

Hi, Zofer;
you pointed out an important sore spot in our country of which I hadn't thought at all.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sui_nati.htm
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Suicide is always a shocking and tragic event, no matter where and why it takes place. The saddest thing is when young people see no other way out.

 

[einmensch]

Interesting article. I don't know any direct suicides of natives but I personally knew 3 in Kirkland Lakethat died. #1 drunk froze to death before he got to his trap cabin #2 cabin burned with him in it. #3 drowned? Indirect Suicides-All in their 20's two were brothers. All nice to me-I went fishing etc with a third brother--non of them were raised at home