US in deep trouble for killing 60 children!!
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Yes,and these 'radical islamist nutjobs' are supported by the rest of the islamic world.I read on this site and others how the crusades were an example of how terrible christianity behaved. The actual christians that were roaming the world killing was only a very small % of all. They were mostly young men ,religious zealots,that killed in the name of God. Do you see a parallel with today's islamic movement?
Heh,heh,I hope so. That would make some people so angry they would tear the tinfoil out of their hats and throw it at mommy's cat.
Sure, but that doesn't excuse what they are doing. I think most would agree with me that the Middle East is stuck in the dark ages but I do believe the West has played a part in that but are not completely to blame as some lefties would suggest.
It's just a mess really.:-|
Well, as some of us have lives and responsibilities, I can't hang out here all evening to see what Eagle the obsessed one has come up with.
I will be by later to see what you have come up with Eaglecrack.
Till then, cheerio old boy and get that bum bum of yours changed before you get a rash.:lol:
I will be by later to see what you have come up with Eaglecrack.
Till then, cheerio old boy and get that bum bum of yours changed before you get a rash.:lol:
Um... nice parallel but the Christians were actually a lot worse:
The Leaguer of Antioch
"Now lithe and listen lordlings, while the Christians' hap I tell,
That, as they lay in leaguer, from hunger them befell.
In evil case the army stood, their stores of food were spent:
Peter the holy Hermit, he sat before his tent:
Then came to him the King Tafur, and with him fifty score
Of men-at-arms, not one of them but hunger gnawed him sore.
'Thou holy Hermit, counsel us, and help us at our need;
Help, for God's grace, these starving men with wherewithal to feed.'
But Peter answered, 'Out, ye drones, a helpless pack that cry,
While all unburied round about the slaughtered Paynim lie.
A dainty dish is Paynim flesh, with salt and roasting due.'
'Now by my fay,' quoth King Tafur, 'the Hermit sayeth true.'
Then fared he forth the Hermit's tent, and sent his menye out,
More than ten thousand, where in heaps the Paynim lay about.
They hewed the corpses limb from limb, and disembowelled clean,
And there was sodden meat and roast, to blunt their hunger keen:
Right savory fare it seemed there; they smacked their lips and spake,--
Farewell to fasts: a daintier meal than this who asks to make?
'Tis sweeter far than porker's flesh, or bacon seethed in grease.
Let's make good cheer, and feast us here, till life and hunger cease.'"
- Von Sybel, History and Literature of the Crusades, pp. 51, 52
A fine old christian tradition kept alive by communion I believe. Are you suggesting that we should eat all the Islamo Fascists. I think that's a bit drastic.:smile:
I don't think we need to be so specific - Jesus (or our stomaches) will guide us :-?
And it is the "Christian" thing to do! Maybe they would make good biofuel? 8O
If only there were a holy hermit to ask? :roll:
And it is the "Christian" thing to do! Maybe they would make good biofuel? 8O
If only there were a holy hermit to ask? :roll:
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ScottF, I won't argue about the crusades being worse than the current jihad. The people in Darfur might want to take you up on that though.
Sorry, but i refuse to believe the Islamists still hold a grudge against us for the crusades. After all this time,only women could still harbor such thoughts. Believe me, they NEVER forget:-(
I learnt a little trick for dealing with that: if I don't remember it then it never happened. She can tell me her version of events if she wants but it means nothing without my version; so if I can't remember she's out of luck... obviously I'm divorced :lol: But it does work ;-)
August 31st, 2008
US to back Afghan air raid probe
The US has agreed to take part in a joint investigation into reports that a recent air raid in western Afghanistan killed more than 91 civilians.
US officials insist most of those killed by the strike, in the western region of Herat, were militants and that only five civilians died.
The prove will be conducted jointly with the UN and the Afghan government.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has been increasingly critical of the number of civilians dying in coalition air raids.
Correspondents say Mr Karzai believes the anger felt by many Afghans towards foreign forces in Afghanistan may reduce support for his government.
Driven apart
US air strike drives wedge between allies in Afghanistan
UK-Afghan ties hit a low
Correspondents say that casualty figures in the Afghan conflict are often manipulated for propaganda and that the country's insecurity makes independent verification of any claims difficult.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7590303.stm
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The findings of this investigation will be interesting. It will be hard though, to find the truth, as each side either likes to deflate or inflate the number of dead. They would have to open up the graves again!
US to back Afghan air raid probe
The US has agreed to take part in a joint investigation into reports that a recent air raid in western Afghanistan killed more than 91 civilians.
US officials insist most of those killed by the strike, in the western region of Herat, were militants and that only five civilians died.
The prove will be conducted jointly with the UN and the Afghan government.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has been increasingly critical of the number of civilians dying in coalition air raids.
Correspondents say Mr Karzai believes the anger felt by many Afghans towards foreign forces in Afghanistan may reduce support for his government.
US air strike drives wedge between allies in Afghanistan
UK-Afghan ties hit a low
Correspondents say that casualty figures in the Afghan conflict are often manipulated for propaganda and that the country's insecurity makes independent verification of any claims difficult.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7590303.stm
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The findings of this investigation will be interesting. It will be hard though, to find the truth, as each side either likes to deflate or inflate the number of dead. They would have to open up the graves again!
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Could this be the sad aftermath?
16 US troops commit suicide in Iraq
Sixteen US troops from the 57th Unit of the Airborne Division have committed suicide inside a military base in Iraq, security sources say.
According to the sources, the 21 troops were treated in a hospital but only five soldiers have survived and they are in a critical condition.
Security officials said they used potent narcotics to kill themselves.
The troops` motivations for suicide are not known but according to Iraqi sources the servicemen belonged to the 57th Unit of the US Airborne Division that was behind the massacre of several Iraqi families– mostly women and children– in northern Baghdad, said Ali al-Baghdadi an Iraqi security official.
http://www.schutzkreis.de/?cat=2
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I'm puzzled myself as to why so many took their own life? What is going on in their minds? OR is there something more sinister going on?
16 US troops commit suicide in Iraq
Sixteen US troops from the 57th Unit of the Airborne Division have committed suicide inside a military base in Iraq, security sources say.
According to the sources, the 21 troops were treated in a hospital but only five soldiers have survived and they are in a critical condition.
Security officials said they used potent narcotics to kill themselves.
The troops` motivations for suicide are not known but according to Iraqi sources the servicemen belonged to the 57th Unit of the US Airborne Division that was behind the massacre of several Iraqi families– mostly women and children– in northern Baghdad, said Ali al-Baghdadi an Iraqi security official.
http://www.schutzkreis.de/?cat=2
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I'm puzzled myself as to why so many took their own life? What is going on in their minds? OR is there something more sinister going on?
Terrible tragedy
by qvh on 09.09.2008 [11:58 ]
The soldiers signed up thinking they were going to be doing something noble for their country and then found the truth that it is about killing unarmed women, children and old men, once they arrived there. These men could not live with their conscience after they committed these terrible deeds, even if legally they were not responsible because they were under orders when the killings were done.
In fact, the pressure to keep silent about what happened so as not to get others into trouble and bring disgrace to their unit, ate at them. They kept reliving the moments of the killings over and over again, with no outlet, no release, no mental help, no counseling as they were not supposed to talk about what had occurred.
They were just expected to go on with their lives as if they had not witnessed any of these things. And the majority of these soldiers internalize everything that happened; they blame themselves for the deaths. They feel responsible. Many of these people are relatively unsophisticated; they come from small towns, they do not generally have much education beyond high school. They do not understand the complexity of the forces that drove them to these situations; they do not know what is going on, that they are mere puppets being manipulated by an unseen hand - they blame themselves.
In truth the same people who are responsible for the deaths of the Iraqi innocents are also responsible for the suicides of the soldiers just as if they had been the ones holding the machine guns at the women and children or the ones whose hand had guided the poison into the soldiers' bodies.
If the soldiers had clear insight into the nature of the powers that govern the world and in particular have a special hold over the US, they may not have taken the load of blame entirely on their shoulders.
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Soldiers are humans, too! Only for so long can they pretend to be "tough".
Yesterday young Duncandonut came to us asking our opinion for going to war in Afghanistan. I hope he will read this.
by qvh on 09.09.2008 [11:58 ]
The soldiers signed up thinking they were going to be doing something noble for their country and then found the truth that it is about killing unarmed women, children and old men, once they arrived there. These men could not live with their conscience after they committed these terrible deeds, even if legally they were not responsible because they were under orders when the killings were done.
In fact, the pressure to keep silent about what happened so as not to get others into trouble and bring disgrace to their unit, ate at them. They kept reliving the moments of the killings over and over again, with no outlet, no release, no mental help, no counseling as they were not supposed to talk about what had occurred.
They were just expected to go on with their lives as if they had not witnessed any of these things. And the majority of these soldiers internalize everything that happened; they blame themselves for the deaths. They feel responsible. Many of these people are relatively unsophisticated; they come from small towns, they do not generally have much education beyond high school. They do not understand the complexity of the forces that drove them to these situations; they do not know what is going on, that they are mere puppets being manipulated by an unseen hand - they blame themselves.
In truth the same people who are responsible for the deaths of the Iraqi innocents are also responsible for the suicides of the soldiers just as if they had been the ones holding the machine guns at the women and children or the ones whose hand had guided the poison into the soldiers' bodies.
If the soldiers had clear insight into the nature of the powers that govern the world and in particular have a special hold over the US, they may not have taken the load of blame entirely on their shoulders.
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Soldiers are humans, too! Only for so long can they pretend to be "tough".
Yesterday young Duncandonut came to us asking our opinion for going to war in Afghanistan. I hope he will read this.
Loon, In Vietnam there were numerous "Non-combat related casualties." That was how they were reported. But many knew what they were. That was when I first learned about the tiers of untruths we a US citizens were exposed to. Why do you think there is a Press Secretary for the Administration? My first thought was for an orderly transferance of information. Then later I changed and thought this is the US equal to Izvestia in Russia. It is the oulet for the story in the version the Adminstration wants us to hear it. The whole tragedy or war is horrible. This news is disturbing but not a surprise to me. As I grow older and acquire more information the more I realize the US is not much different from the rest of the world. We just want others to believe we are.
You guys all know every military force in every protracted war since the advent of modern war has caused more civilian than military casualties right?
Both sides, even when fighting on home turf.
When people start lobbing explosives around, and innocent people stand in the middle (either because they won't leave or one side uses them as shields), they end up dead.
Both sides, even when fighting on home turf.
When people start lobbing explosives around, and innocent people stand in the middle (either because they won't leave or one side uses them as shields), they end up dead.
Terrible tragedy
by qvh on 09.09.2008 [11:58 ]
The soldiers signed up thinking they were going to be doing something noble for their country and then found the truth that it is about killing unarmed women, children and old men, once they arrived there. These men could not live with their conscience after they committed these terrible deeds, even if legally they were not responsible because they were under orders when the killings were done.
In fact, the pressure to keep silent about what happened so as not to get others into trouble and bring disgrace to their unit, ate at them. They kept reliving the moments of the killings over and over again, with no outlet, no release, no mental help, no counseling as they were not supposed to talk about what had occurred.
They were just expected to go on with their lives as if they had not witnessed any of these things. And the majority of these soldiers internalize everything that happened; they blame themselves for the deaths. They feel responsible. Many of these people are relatively unsophisticated; they come from small towns, they do not generally have much education beyond high school. They do not understand the complexity of the forces that drove them to these situations; they do not know what is going on, that they are mere puppets being manipulated by an unseen hand - they blame themselves.
In truth the same people who are responsible for the deaths of the Iraqi innocents are also responsible for the suicides of the soldiers just as if they had been the ones holding the machine guns at the women and children or the ones whose hand had guided the poison into the soldiers' bodies.
If the soldiers had clear insight into the nature of the powers that govern the world and in particular have a special hold over the US, they may not have taken the load of blame entirely on their shoulders.
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Soldiers are humans, too! Only for so long can they pretend to be "tough".
Yesterday young Duncandonut came to us asking our opinion for going to war in Afghanistan. I hope he will read this.
He might, but it should have no bearing on his decision. He's of the cloth of the warrior young strong and innocent. These laments about the cost of war could paper over the planet. They have never listened, they continue to die by the millions for the privilaged. Maybe he's different.
Hi, Norm;
I guess it is true, the administration would hide the real picture of war from its pool of new recruits! The young and their parents must not hear about the gruesome realities that are part of any war, so they will keep coming to the slaughterfields, hopeful and enthusiastic.
The war propaganda machine was invented.