Israel considers military option for Iran nukes

[Zzarchov]

Well perhaps their perspective is slightly backwards to what we're used to. Perhaps they don't acknowlege Israel's existence, because Israel won't acknowlege or negotiate certain things they feel are important to establishing a long lasting peace.

Why would they recognize their existence as a Nation if they don't act like one? Sure some people would give them the recognition they want and thus might open them up to those types of talks, however other cultures around the world only give when they are given to. Not everybody in the world thinks and acts like we do.... and to expect them to come all the way, rather then meet them halfway, will only prolong the problems.

We may find some of their requests trivial or impossible, but dismissing them outright with out an open dialouge isn't going to help them acknowlege their "Existence" as a legal nation.

How is it they don't act like a nation ,especially in that region. I guess the reason they don't act like a nation is they give back land once the fighting is over, a far cry from such recognized nations as Iraq (which attempted to annex two of its neighbours and commit genocide on its own people), and Syria which spent a great deal of time making other nations occupied territories. All recognized nations.

And the logic "Israel won't negotiate certain aspects" is bunk. Egypt already proved that Israel will negotiate and give up a majority of their land, including their oilfields, in exchange for peace.

I know its hard to believe, but sometimes other expansionist imperialist powers in the region can be the bad guys.

 

[Praxius]

Like I said you hate Israel and love Iran.

Like I said... learn to read.

I hate Israel's government, I don't hate Israelis or Jews. I don't like Iran, but I understand their position and I am willing to defend their position against ignorants such as yourself.

Is that anymore clearer for you, or do you need a pop-up book as well?

It's alway the fault of the Jews but never the fault of the Arab tyrants.

You best get yourself educated on some history lessons, because I'm getting pretty tired of continually correcting you on things that should just be common sense.

Yes, Arab Tyrants..... cuz you know, it wasn't the Israelis who cluster bombed civilian populated cities just a couple of years ago, it wasn't israelis who keep bulldozing muslim family's homes to make way for their own homes, it wasn't israelis who keep flying their jets into other nations to bomb compounds they themselves claim were nuclear plants, etc..... even though now we have no proof because they bombed them.

Sure.... Israel is oh-so innocent..... cripes, do you even read what you type? Just because many of the descendants of Israel went through the holocaust, doesn't make them immune to being oppressive jerk-wads who are also racist and biggoted to those different from them. Don't forget, nobody can immigrate to Israel unless you are of Jewish background..... don't forget, once you hit 18 years of age, you must serve in their military.....

The moment you and they themselves start to realize that they're no more special or important then anybody else on this planet, including those that live around them, the moment there might be a chance for peace..... but so long as people such as yourself keep shifting the blame completely to Israel's neighbors, and never directly to Israel, peace will never happen.

I used to like Israel..... up until about two years ago. But their president, and their government has continually caused the sh*t they deal with everyday....... we can all blame and point fingers as to who started what, but until each side starts owning up to their own responsibilities, nothing will ever change.

 

[Avro]

Sugar coat it all you want, you don't like Isreal and favor Iran over them.

No need to explain old boy, I understand your hatred, I don't like it, but I know where it comes from.

Fortunately anti-semites always tend to lose.

Long live Israels right to exsist.

 

[Praxius]

How is it they don't act like a nation ,especially in that region. I guess the reason they don't act like a nation is they give back land once the fighting is over, a far cry from such recognized nations as Iraq (which attempted to annex two of its neighbours and commit genocide on its own people), and Syria which spent a great deal of time making other nations occupied territories. All recognized nations.

And the logic "Israel won't negotiate certain aspects" is bunk. Egypt already proved that Israel will negotiate and give up a majority of their land, including their oilfields, in exchange for peace.

I know its hard to believe, but sometimes other expansionist imperialist powers in the region can be the bad guys.

Plain and simple, they don't understand how to negotiate unless their own demands are met first. In other words, they won't negotiate with other nations that "don't recognize their existance"..... so how are they ever going to expect negotiations to start?

It's a simple dead-end. If you're not going to talk to your neighbors, negotiate and come to a balance of what both sides want, and you're going to continually block all attempts with the other side, based on their opinions of you, then you're going to get nowhere.... and they're not going to take you as a serious country with a serious government..... which lines up with Iran's perspective that they want the Israeli government "Wiped from the pages of time" because no headway can be made with them.

Israel might be able to work with some nations in negotiation, but not all nations operate the same way, therefore the same tactics won't always work.

 

[Avro]

Plain and simple, they don't understand how to negotiate unless their own demands are met first. In other words, they won't negotiate with other nations that "don't recognize their existance"..... so how are they ever going to expect negotiations to start?

It's a simple dead-end. If you're not going to talk to your neighbors, negotiate and come to a balance of what both sides want, and you're going to continually block all attempts with the other side, based on their opinions of you, then you're going to get nowhere.... and they're not going to take you as a serious country with a serious government..... which lines up with Iran's perspective that they want the Israeli government "Wiped from the pages of time" because no headway can be made with them.

Israel might be able to work with some nations in negotiation, but not all nations operate the same way, therefore the same tactics won't always work.

What a load of BS that is.

So let me get this straight, Iran wants Israel wiped off the map becasue Israel won't negotiate because Iran wants Israel wiped off the map?

Did you attend alot of circle jerks as a teen?:lol:

Talk about whacked logic.:roll:

 

[Zzarchov]

Plain and simple, they don't understand how to negotiate unless their own demands are met first. In other words, they won't negotiate with other nations that "don't recognize their existance"..... so how are they ever going to expect negotiations to start?

It's a simple dead-end. If you're not going to talk to your neighbors, negotiate and come to a balance of what both sides want, and you're going to continually block all attempts with the other side, based on their opinions of you, then you're going to get nowhere.... and they're not going to take you as a serious country with a serious government..... which lines up with Iran's perspective that they want the Israeli government "Wiped from the pages of time" because no headway can be made with them.

Israel might be able to work with some nations in negotiation, but not all nations operate the same way, therefore the same tactics won't always work.

I don't think you understand what "recognize their existance" means.

If you are not recognized to exist, then you cannot enter into negotiations.

When Iran says "It does not recognize Israel's existance" that means it will refuse to enter into any form of direct cpmtact with Israel (such as negotiations), as to do so would be to recognize its existance.

You can't claim Israel isn't willing to enter into negotiations because it wants its demand met, when its single demand is that you be willing to enter into negotiations with it.


Israel has proven that it is willing to enter into negotiations and make sizeable concessions to any enemy nation that is willing to actually enter into negotiations.

 

[Praxius]

Sugar coat it all you want, you don't like Isreal and favor Iran over them.

How about you lick my sugar coated arse and perhaps the sugar high might give your eyeballs the attention span to understand differing positions?

I don't like any nation that uses destructive weapons such as cluster bombs in civilian populated areas.... I don't like any nation that will cross the soverign borders of one nation, to attack things they suspect are designed to harm them, without any practical evidence or proof.

Since I can't remember the last time Iran ever attacked any other country directly in a way Israel has thus far, you're right.... Iran get's more brownie points in my books then Israel does in this aspect..... wtf is your point?

To make me say that Iran is more respectable then Israel? They are.... get over it.

Do I like Iran over Isreal though? I don't really like either country, and neither of them have any impact on my everyday life, so I personally don't give a rats ass about either one..... but I have more respect for Iran then I do for Israel, when it comes to their use of military force.

No need to explain old boy, I understand your hatred, I don't like it, but I know where it comes from.

Fortunately anti-semites always tend to lose.

Long live Israels right to exsist.

Oh, so now you're going to call me an anti-semite because I don't suck-hole Israel over all their decisions and actions? You're one sick, ignorant fu*k head, you know that?

Take your black and white attitude and shove it squarely up your ass you ignorant bastard. Oh, I'm sorry, did I perhaps offend you? Well I take offense to being called an anti-semite by some ignroant fu*k-tard who doesn't know a damn thing about myself, my background, let alone has no education on actual historic events.... and who's willing to blanket-statement anybody as an anti-semite because they don't agree 100% to your own perspective.

Of course, I go and explain the situation as it is, and it doesn't flow perfectly to your own biased, and biggoted views, which have been fueled through false media reports, propaganda and information, up for grabs by the highest bidder, and somehow I'm the anti-semite? pull your head out of your arse you moron and take a look around at the facts, or are you just too dim witted to figure out how to do that, because it's been about 15 years since the last time you ever attempted to do so?

Every human has the right to live/exist.... I don't give a sh*t about their religious background, their race, gender or sexual preference or if they have fingers twiddling out of their ear-holes... and just because Israel is full of Jewish people, doesn't make them immune to commiting their own illegal acts and being in the wrong from time to time.... and when they screw up, I'll be around to point it out.

When Iran screws up, I'll be around to point it out..... when Canada screws up, I'm gonna be around to point it out..... when any nation anywhere does anything I feel is wrong or unjust, I'm gonna point it out..... so you can take your anti-semite finger and shove it right up your ignroant ass for all I care..... you blatantly blinded bigoted bastard.

If anybody here is anti-anything, it's you, you fk'n hypocrite.

Get a clue, and while you're at it... get an education.

 

[Zzarchov]

Ok, Israel has not crossed over the borders of Any country that was not in a state of war with them, at least for a couple generations.

Besides, if you ask Iran, then Israel cannot breach sovereign borders because Israel is not a sovereign nation, thus it doesn't have its own borders to stay within.

 

[Praxius]

What a load of BS that is.

What? The stuff coming out of your mouth? Yeah I know.

So let me get this straight, Iran wants Israel wiped off the map becasue Israel won't negotiate because Iran wants Israel wiped off the map?

No you idiot.... re-read.... and then if need be.... Read again.... if that doesn't work, go read something else because you're a lost cause when it comes to explaining anything other then what you already decided to agree with.

Did you attend alot of circle jerks as a teen?:lol:

Just with your mom, aunt and sister..... they sucked.... literally.

Talk about whacked logic.:roll:

Talk about an idiot who can't figure out basic sentance formation and how to understand what's being said. Hell, I even simplified and gave you short-form explinations, and you still got it wrong. Does your medication make you this stupid, or were you just born this way?

 

[Praxius]

I don't think you understand what "recognize their existance" means.

If you are not recognized to exist, then you cannot enter into negotiations.

By our language and our way of understanding, I agree with you.

When Iran says "It does not recognize Israel's existance" that means it will refuse to enter into any form of direct cpmtact with Israel (such as negotiations), as to do so would be to recognize its existance.

You can't claim Israel isn't willing to enter into negotiations because it wants its demand met, when its single demand is that you be willing to enter into negotiations with it.

Israel has proven that it is willing to enter into negotiations and make sizeable concessions to any enemy nation that is willing to actually enter into negotiations.

"On the issue of the Holocaust, Ahmadinejad said more "research" was needed on what took place, but he seemed to acknowledge that it did exist.

"I am not saying that it didn't happen at all. This is not that judgment that I am passing here," he said. "Granted this happened, what does it have to do with the Palestinian people? ... Why is it that the Palestinian people are paying the price for an event they had nothing to do with?"

..... "We love all nations. We are friends with the Jewish people. There are many Jews living in Iran with security," Ahmadinejad said. "Our proposal to the Palestinian plight is a humanitarian and a democratic proposal. What we say is that to solve this 60-year problem, we must allow the Palestinian people to decide about its future for itself."

...... When asked whether he wanted to go to war, he said he did not.

"Why is there a need for war?" Ahmadinejad said. "Why should they threaten another country? Why should they create more insecurity? I think officials who talk this kind of talk should really be pressured and warn to know what to say and when not to say something."

Ahmadinejad said that the religions of "Christ and Moses" as well as Islam are "all brothers. They all want the same thing."

^ This to me doesn't sound like someone who wants the destruction of all of Israel due to being mostly "Jews." and when you look further into what he has shot from his mouth from time to time, he has never said he wants' to destroy the people living in Israel, but I do see his distain for the State of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians and he holds sympathy to them over Israel.

None of which seems to point to his want for their distruction..... AKA: Their deaths.

To me, it seems like he's trying to express a lack of willingness to acknowlege the State of Israel's "Existence" only because it seems like there has been a lack of willingness to acknowlege Palestinian existence.... or lack there of. Their way of life is more towards the old "Eye for an Eye" rule of law, and to me, from my own observations, they practice this way of life in how they react to situations. But I seriously do not see this as any hint of military action against Israel, and there is no serious threat against Israel.

 

[Zzarchov]

I am not claiming anything about Iran's eagerness to destroy Israel, which is a side point I can debate on its own.

This is about your other claim that Israel won't enter into negotiations, which It has proven time and time again it will if the other party will also enter negotiations. Iran has refused such negotiations.

Now in terms of Iran, Iran can be very pro-Jewish, providing the Jews are natives of the region (in their eyes) and know their place as Dhimmi.

That is the problem with Israel, it is non-muslims in a previously muslim conquered area, doing such stupid things as serving in the military, senior government posts, school principles, the judiciary or the police.

Iran, does give Jews (like Zoroastians) one seat in the parliment to discuss their local issues.


Now in terms of Destroying the people of Israel, the destruction has always targetted those who's bloodline is not of the "Old Yishuv".

 

[Avro]

What? The stuff coming out of your mouth? Yeah I know.



No you idiot.... re-read.... and then if need be.... Read again.... if that doesn't work, go read something else because you're a lost cause when it comes to explaining anything other then what you already decided to agree with.



Just with your mom, aunt and sister..... they sucked.... literally.




Talk about an idiot who can't figure out basic sentance formation and how to understand what's being said. Hell, I even simplified and gave you short-form explinations, and you still got it wrong. Does your medication make you this stupid, or were you just born this way?

No I didn't get it wrong, I don't expect the author of something stupid to get his own stupidity.

People who hate are the real dummies and you have proven to be both.

 

[Avro]

Since I can't remember the last time Iran ever attacked any other country directly in a way Israel has thus far, you're right.... Iran get's more brownie points in my books then Israel does in this aspect..... wtf is your point?

Perhaps if Jews were sending rockets into Tehran randomly you would see the reaction of the Iranians but until such time you will just continue to assume Israel is the bad guy. I guess in your world Jews are just suppose to let terror groups funded by Iran drop bombs on them because they are Jewish and have no right to exsist.