Is there proof of life after death

[talloola]

Your view/take on this subject is the best explanation that I have yet to see and I wholly agree with it. I applaud you.
M.

I tried to p.m. you, but it can't be done, so I thank you here, appreciate your kind words.

 

[L Gilbert]

L Gilbert

Sorry ,my mistake ;I have not compleated the sentence...It should have bin....
"They sure live longer ;but at the same time,they still don,t know 'why they live'.
As you can see I was not questioning the length of the life but the reason for the life itself .But you have not noticed that LG , and that's your mistake .

Wait. You must be confused. You said it is your mistake but then it is my mistake.

Perhaps you had better read up on proper sentence structure.
"They sure live longer ;but at the same time,they still don,t know why ." is what you said. The topic of your sentence was that they live longer and then you added that they don't know why ("they live longer"). Sorry. The mistake is still yours. I simply found it, picked it up, and gave it back to you. Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[L Gilbert]

The animals that Noah took with him in his Ark, were those useful to people, and he together with his sons and the believers with him, will need after that deluge would have exterminated all the animals and men in that certain country: Iraq.​

So he took with him, according to God's instruction and revelation, one pair of sheep, goat, cow, camel, horse, donkey, hen, duck and so on.​

It does not mean that he took a pair of all the animals [like the snake and the wild beasts] existing on earth, and that will be impossible.​

Of course it is impossible. And you cannot get the DNA of the wild animals from the ones we have domesticated. So the whole story of Noah and the flood is either extremely exaggerated or else complete BS in the first place.​

Moreover, the Hebrew Bible [most of which is included in the Old Testament] available now is not dependable.

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Specially so is the Book of Genesis which was not revealed to Moses; but the Children of Israel inherited it from Prophet Abraham and may be before him.​

The present Hebrew Bible is actually the Torah of Ezra, that he wrote for them after their return from the captivity of Babylon; and it included much distortion, additions and subtractions and he omitted many things originally were written in the original Torah of God.
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#The_Torah_[or_Hebrew_Bible]_of_Ezra_​

eanassir

http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

ANY Bible I have seen so far is not a dependable source of info. So?

 

[L Gilbert]

The deluge of Noah​

When God sends an apostle; the purpose is to convey to them the message that God is One without associate or equal.​

The good-doers and the kind-hearted will follow him, according to God's guidance;
The wrong-doers will not believe: God will not guide them.​

Then the apostle will be victorious in one of two ways:
>> Either his people will believe in God alone and follow their apostle –– and they will prosper,
>> Or they will remain sticking to their traditions, their idolatry and association with God and will disobey their apostle –– and in such case they will be exterminated by many ways:​

• A deluge will drown them ---- like what happened to the people of Noah.
• An earthquake will overtake them ---- like what happened to the people of Lot and many other peoples.
• The storms and hurricanes will destroy them ---- like what happened to the people of Aad tribe near Yemen.
• Or their enemy will attack them and annihilate them ---- like what happened to Jews in Palestine when they denied Jesus and the three disciples or apostles after him (see the Book of the Acts of the Apostles).

Therefore, the deluge of Noah was a punishment for his people, who disbelieved and stuck to their association and idolatry; because they were wrongdoers.​

The deluge included one country as a whole where the people of Noah were dwelling; it had nothing to do with all the Globe of the Earth. ​

eanassir

http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

Uhuh. So says these books. Unfortunately, these books all have the credibility of flying pigs.

 

[eanassir]

Uhuh. So says these books. Unfortunately, these books all have the credibility of flying pigs.

The heavenly books (the Torah, the Gospel and the Quran) revealed from God as light and guidance to all mankind. The original Torah revealed to Moses and the prophets after him and the Gospel revealed to Jesus, as is the Quran revealed to Mohammed: taught man every virtue and saved the believers from the darkness of the ignorance and denial of God and idolatry to the light of monotheism and submission to God alone; or else the disbeliever is unaware of this meaning.

 

[L Gilbert]

Prove it. Show the evidence of what you said is fact and save your cut & pastes from your book of fantasy. Just show us the scientific evidence.

 

[eanassir]

And you cannot get the DNA of the wild animals from the ones we have domesticated. So the whole story of Noah and the flood is either extremely exaggerated or else complete BS in the first place.[/font][/size][/font][/left]

It is not like that: many wild animals lived elsewhere outside this country of Noah; the flood included one country as a whole, not the whole earth.

The story of the deluge is correct, as the excavations indicate where they found layers of alluvium extending on a wide area, underwhich some towns were found.

 

[L Gilbert]

And you cannot get the DNA of the wild animals from the ones we have domesticated. So the whole story of Noah and the flood is either extremely exaggerated or else complete BS in the first place.[/font][/size][/font][/left]

It is not like that: many wild animals lived elsewhere outside this country of Noah; the flood included one country as a whole, not the whole earth.

The story of the deluge is correct, as the excavations indicate where they found layers of alluvium extending on a wide area, underwhich some towns were found.

So? As I said, the tale is either extremely exaggerated or simply BS. You claim it is exaggerated.
BTW, there's a town near here that is underwater still. It's called Needles and it wasn't submerged by any gods or demons or poltergeists or even the giant at the top of the beanstalk.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The best reply to this is in the Quran...​

Somehow, I just knew it would be.

You've given what is actually the beginning of one of the lines of thought that led me to apostasy about 40 years ago. Greatly condensed, it goes like this: this supposedly omnipotent, omniscient god created humans to his own design, which given his characteristics must be the best possible design in this best of all possible worlds, knowing it was flawed and knowing full well what all the consequences would be, and now he's prepared to hold us responsible and condemn us forever for those flaws. That's a deliberate setup that any reasonably intelligent human being ought to recognize as failing to meet even minimal standards of ethics and common decency. Why would god do such things? Job is recorded in the Old Testament as asking essentially the same question, and the answer he got amounted to "I can do whatever I want and you just have to take it." The best reply to that is that great American invention, the Bronx cheer.
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[eanassir]

Prove it. Show the evidence of what you said is fact and save your cut & pastes from your book of fantasy. Just show us the scientific evidence.

The Quran is not a book of fantasy; have you read it carefully and tried to understand what treasures and jewels it includes? Dare you read and investigate it deeply?

Your insisting refusal and denyal implies it is only a psychological self-defence against the possibility of the Quran of God influence you, and you are afraid lest you should then convert!

But be sure this is only up to God alone, as in the Quran 10: 100

وَمَا كَانَ لِنَفْسٍ أَن تُؤْمِنَ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ اللّهِ​

The explanation:
(It is not for any soul to believe save by God's leave.)
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[eanassir]

SCott Free
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They sure live longer ;but at the same time,they still don,t know why .

Or essentially, who said they even live longer !

The life-span is according to God's decree.

This is in the Quran 17: 99​

أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْاْ أَنَّ اللّهَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ قَادِرٌ عَلَى أَن يَخْلُقَ مِثْلَهُمْ وَجَعَلَ لَهُمْ أَجَلاً لاَّ رَيْبَ فِيهِ فَأَبَى الظَّالِمُونَ إَلاَّ كُفُورًا​

The explanation:
(Have they not seen that God Who created the heavens and the earth is Able to create the like of them;
moreover He has appointed for them a term, of which there is no doubt;
yet the wrong-doers refuse anything but to disbelieve.)

That is because God does not guide the wrong-doers.


eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io
http://man-after-death.site.io
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

It is not for any soul to believe save by God's leave.

I can't see any way to understand that except as meaning that I don't believe in god because he hasn't given me leave to do so, it wasn't my choice, it was his, and according to you he's going to condemn me to hellfire for eternity for something he's done to me. His decision, but somehow I'm responsible for its consequences. I can't take that seriously at all, it deserves a good loud Bronx cheer too. I don't understand why you can't see how incoherent your position is.

 

[L Gilbert]

The Quran is not a book of fantasy; have you read it carefully and tried to understand what treasures and jewels it includes? Dare you read and investigate it deeply?

Your insisting refusal and denyal implies it is only a psychological self-defence against the possibility of the Quran of God influence you, and you are afraid lest you should then convert!

But be sure this is only up to God alone, as in the Quran 10: 100

وَمَا كَانَ لِنَفْسٍ أَن تُؤْمِنَ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ اللّهِ​

The explanation:
(It is not for any soul to believe save by God's leave.)​

rofflmfao Why in the world would I be afraid of a product of someone's imagination or some book written about that product? Sorry but your silly little book is no better or worse that that other silly little book called the Bible.I have read some of your cut & pastes and none of it has any basis in fact, only hearsay, and an awful lot of it is just plain scientifically ridiculous. I hardly think I am in any danger of reading something that silly and being converted by it. get a grip. Things of faith are only important to me in that I like poking holes in their suppositions, hypotheses, and dogma. My life is doing just fine without believing in fantasies like gods n other such faerie tales.
Psychological defense indeed. You sure ought to know about that as you blatantly ignore scientific fact in favor of inane ramblings from a book of myth. lmao Thank you for the humor.

 

[L Gilbert]

Or essentially, who said they even live longer !

The life-span is according to God's decree.

This is in the Quran 17: 99​

أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْاْ أَنَّ اللّهَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ قَادِرٌ عَلَى أَن يَخْلُقَ مِثْلَهُمْ وَجَعَلَ لَهُمْ أَجَلاً لاَّ رَيْبَ فِيهِ فَأَبَى الظَّالِمُونَ إَلاَّ كُفُورًا​

The explanation:
(Have they not seen that God Who created the heavens and the earth is Able to create the like of them;
moreover He has appointed for them a term, of which there is no doubt;
yet the wrong-doers refuse anything but to disbelieve.)​

That is because God does not guide the wrong-doers.​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io
http://man-after-death.site.io​

http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

Here you go again, displaying your incredible ignorance of fact. The fact is that prehistoric man lived an average of about 18 years, ancient greece - about 20 years, middle ages in England - 33, early 1600s USA - 35, etc. and todays average life expectancy is about 78. THOSE are documented facts. So if you don't think people live any longer now than a few thousand years ago, or even a few hundred years ago, I have a suggestion for you: keep your nose away from bags of glue.

 

[eanassir]

I can't see any way to understand that except as meaning that I don't believe in god because he hasn't given me leave to do so, it wasn't my choice, it was his, and according to you he's going to condemn me to hellfire for eternity for something he's done to me. His decision, but somehow I'm responsible for its consequences. I can't take that seriously at all, it deserves a good loud Bronx cheer too. I don't understand why you can't see how incoherent your position is.

God's guidance​

People are two kinds:​

• The good-hearted men, that are kind to the poor and needy, are not proud over people, and do not transgress on the weak.
• The evil-hearted men, whose hearts are hard, they do not show mercy to the needy, and are proud over people and transgress on the weak and wrong people by every means.

This will result from many factors, the most important is the environment and his friends; when he accompanies the evil friends, he will be evil like them; and when he accompanies the good and righteous friends, he will be righteous like them. Therefore, man has to purify himself from every bad conduct to be near to God's guidance and grace. The rightly guided has to watch over himself, lest he should acquire the wrong-doing when he will deserve the misguidance.

Now, when the wrong-doing and corruption will lead man to associate some other beings or things with God in the worship; so that the atheism, the polytheism or the association with God will prevail, in addition to their social corruption.

The apostle of God:
Here God will send them an apostle, when there will not be any correct way [of monotheism] that people may follow (i.e. the religion of monotheism is distorted to be some practice of idolatry, associating others with God, in addition to many social wrong and transgression) –– here God will send them an apostle: one of them, whom they know very well and they do respect.

The apostle (e.g. Jesus or Mohammed) will come to them with the monotheism which is the First Commandment and the most important of all the commandments; and people will divide into two categories in their reaction toward this apostle:​

• The good-hearted and the kind –– God will guide them to recognize that God is One, and the idols are false, and the apostle is truthful; and these will believe. God will send to them some of his angels to inspire to them that Mohammed is truthful, and that God is One without associate or equal or daughter or son; the angels will go on inspiring this one ( while almost he is unaware) until he will be convinced and believe and convert >> so he will go to Paradise.

So this is God's leave: God will give permission or leave to His angels to guide this man via the inspiration.​

• The transgressor and the wrong-doer –– God dislikes him, and will leave him to devils, who will suggest to him to antagonize the apostle Mohammed or Jesus or others, and to mock the apostle and hurt him, and they will remain stuck to their idolatry and association (and will beautify to them the atheism and their party programs) and the tribal belonging >> so he will die with his association and idolatry and will go to Hell.

The duty of the apostle is to warn them of the consequence of the idolatry and the association with God; but his duty is not to guide them, and he cannot guide them; because only God does know who is worthy of guidance and who is not.

In such case, the disbeliever, the idolater, the associater and the atheist cannot say:
"I don't know; I was unaware of the consequence of the association with God; had You, God, sent us an apostle, we should then have believed."

Therefore, the apostle is only a warner, and his duty is only to convey the message completely. The apostle cannot compel men to believe, while it is up to God that He may guide whomsoever is worthy of guidance and he will go to Paradise, and He misguides whomsoever is worthy of the misguidance and he will go to Hell.


eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io
http://man-after-death.site.io
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[darkbeaver]

I fear and love God without reservation. The great unknown inspires both fear and love as the two are indivisable.

 

[eanassir]

Here you go again, displaying your incredible ignorance of fact. The fact is that prehistoric man lived an average of about 18 years, ancient greece - about 20 years, middle ages in England - 33, early 1600s USA - 35, etc. and todays average life expectancy is about 78. THOSE are documented facts. So if you don't think people live any longer now than a few thousand years ago, or even a few hundred years ago, I have a suggestion for you: keep your nose away from bags of glue.

Obviously these figures are wrong and false.

But more correct is the following:

Noah lived 950 years.
Abraham lived 180 years.
Moses lived 120 years.
Mohammed lived 63 years.

Which means the ancient lived a longer life-span than the recent. It may be the earth rotation around itself was quicker than it is today, and the day was shorter than it is now.

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[eanassir]

I fear and love God without reservation. The great unknown inspires both fear and love as the two are indivisable.

DB you are better than many of the Arab, many of Muslims, many of Christians and Jews.:smile:

But I whisper in your ear: Unless man admit that God is One without associate or equal, and believes in all the apostles (including Mohammed), and believes in all the heavenly books (including the Quran); or else he will lose in the Hereafter [so I have said it to you and others.]

 

[darkbeaver]

DB you are better than many of the Arab, many of Muslims, many of Christians and Jews.:smile:

But I whisper in your ear: Unless man admit that God is One without associate or equal, and believes in all the apostles (including Mohammed), and believes in all the heavenly books (including the Quran); or else he will lose in the Hereafter [so I have said it to you and others.]

Be warned, while you whisper in my innocent ear do not extend thy tongue beyond the little hairs lest ye be consumed by passion. I admit that god is One without associate or equal. But the one is nothing without the many. Even the lowest speck of dust serves the one in abject obediance. Before books the hands of god writ in the stones and the fibres of living tissue and in the celestial visitors. How is it that you deny gods omnipotent caress of the sparrow and the worm, both of which loved her before mankind was a wanton smile on her lips.
Mankind will never unravel the mysterys of the one, we cannot get there from here.:lol:

Of course all that is opinion only, with respect. Dark B Eaver part time criminal, industrial mechanic, agent of chaos:lol:

 

[eanassir]

this supposedly omnipotent, omniscient god created humans to his own design, which given his characteristics must be the best possible design in this best of all possible worlds, knowing it was flawed and knowing full well what all the consequences would be, and now he's prepared to hold us responsible and condemn us forever for those flaws.​

God did not create Adam to his image, neither has Adam the characteristics of God. This is in the Quran 42: 11​

لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ البَصِيرُ​

The explanation: (There is not, as His likeness, anything; He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing.)

The individual man as well as all man-kind and demon-kind; all cannot be equal nor similar to Him Who created all the universe and all the past and present generations, in addition to all the plants and animals and the universe as a whole.​

But it is narrated that once a man passed by, and some of the people mocked him, then Prophet Mohammed said: "Don't mock and defame this man who is like the shape of Adam; God created Adam in his image."
It means God created Adam similar to this man. While God there is no analogue to Him; He is Unique and is Superior to any imagination or thinking.​

Any created being will be defective in comparison to the Creator Who is Complete without any defect.​

What do you mean exactly by "was flawed"? Explain the meaning clearly; so that I may answer you.​

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Job is recorded in the Old Testament as asking essentially the same question, and the answer he got amounted to "I can do whatever I want and you just have to take it."​

As for Prophet Job; he did not say any word of impatience or blasphemy; on the contrary when his wife saw him in a miserable state,

She said to him: "Till now you are patient about the trial; blaspheme and die!"
But he said to her: "You are so ignorant; shall we thank God for the grace and be not patient about the trial!? Should God cure me, I shall strike you one hundred lashes" ​

And he was an example for the forbearance for God's sake; and was applauded in the Quran 38: 44 ​

إِنَّا وَجَدْنَاهُ صَابِرًا نِعْمَ الْعَبْدُ إِنَّهُ أَوَّابٌ​

The explanation:

(We found him full of patience and forbearance; how excellent a slave [of God, Job was]; he was ever turning [to God.] )​

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The best reply to that is that great American invention, the Bronx cheer.​

Here, the one that uses your Bronx cheer so frequently; we call him 'Ifttie".​