When will it hit you that the man is a fraud. When will it hit you that (if elected) he will only be a figure head or a front man to the puppet masters.
Only the names change but not the policy of the real government.
Truly sad IMO.
Germany: Snubbing Obama?
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When will it hit you that the man is a fraud. When will it hit you that (if elected) he will only be a figure head or a front man to the puppet masters.
Only the names change but not the policy of the real government.
Truly sad IMO.
Yes, that is the sad part, there will be no variety, no fresh ideas... they all have to follow along the trench. But I want to believe that Obama could and would bring some positive change to the US, once he actually has become president. I find he promises too much already beforehand, that is not very smart, because then he has to stick to it or be called a liar.
Let's drink tea and wait!
As much as I do like to correctly point out that the Soviets did carry the burden and D-day was a diversion (A good one mind you).
The war was still won by America, it supplies the soviets and kept them from breaking, and more importantly were its actions against Romania and its oil supply to the Germans.
The germans had plenty of armoured units sitting unused at the end of the war, fuel was the problem.
I'm a bit late in the game to respond to this, but I wouldn't really considder it a big deal.... for one thing, Obama isn't the US president yet.
Secondly, they're right, he didn't do anything, and the only reason why he wants to have a speech there is for presidential brownie points to make himself more "Worldly."
Third... Don't forget, Harper snubbed McCain's visit to Canada and his reasons were that he's not the president of the US yet.... which to me is a smart move to not get involved in the US election process and make it seem there is a favored candidate.
and that's the thing.... none of them are the president yet, so why should they be treated like one? Why should they get special privilages just to suit their own campaigns?
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Don't forget that in the US, when your unemployment runs out, you're no longer registered, therefore the % of people actually unemployed in the US is much higher then 5.5%.
Then again, I guess that's the same thing that you just said
No, he isn't, and might never be, but there is a 50% chance he will be. And in that case, how would they later stand there, having openly embarrassed him? He would remember that, but might have a big enough heart to overlook their pettiness. I'm aware I'm biased, because if they had said that to McCain, I wouldn't have cared.
That's true, he didn't help with the reunification, because 20 years ago he was still in high-school!!!. I'd like to know who did help?
Praxi, that's an assumption that he wants to gain presidential Brownie points and look "worldly". Germany is pretty small, and Berlin is the center and Capital City... it is a natural to choose it. He could have chosen Hamburg or Nuernberg instead. But then, they might have felt insulted for giving those cities preference over Berlin. His committee did the right thing by inquiring which city would be suitable for the Germans. They could have responded by saying, 'we are honored to have you come and suggest ...any city..., even Buxtehude as a good place to give your speech'. It's the words that were said I find rude and deeply insulting. But that's me. I see nothing wrong with being kind, considerate, polite, and helpful.
Oh, I didn't know that! A Brownie point for Harper!
Praxi, I admire you for your ability to cut through all the mustard and come up with the most logical explanation.
O.k., I'll smoothen my feathers and let things be. Obama has to get used to being snubbed and booed and ignored etc. it's part of the game he got himself into.
Thanks, data, for your answers. I saw you this morning, but I had to quit the computer and go with my friend strawberry picking. This was probably the very last time for this year. The berries are soooo good!!
Instead of copying your whole long post, I'll pick out separate relevant points.
When I said we were finished in 1945 I meant us, the German people. We had nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide... we were at the mercy of our enemies.
Hitler's greatest hope to get the atom bomb ready in time was smashed. Wernher von Braun and his team of scientists fled from Peenemuende to Austria and surrendered there to the Americans. What a humiliation! We were done, data! http://www.efour4ever.com/44thdivision/vonbrauncapture.html
I don't think anybody in his right mind believes the atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were humanitarian acts!! That's pure American BS!! It was done to test them out, to see how they work.
So, do you think you have good democratic politicians now in Germany? I am still disappointed how they handled the Murat Kurnaz case. But then, most Germans are anti-turk, anti-muslim.
I think they do talk about their political intentions.... don't know about concepts for society at large. They have to reveal themselves to the public, how else are the voters going to decide.
No, I haven't tried nailing pudding to the wall!:lol::lol: Data, you are getting funny!;-)
Alright, I won't comment on AIPAC!
Instead of copying your whole long post, I'll pick out separate relevant points.
When I said we were finished in 1945 I meant us, the German people. We had nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide... we were at the mercy of our enemies.
Hitler's greatest hope to get the atom bomb ready in time was smashed. Wernher von Braun and his team of scientists fled from Peenemuende to Austria and surrendered there to the Americans. What a humiliation! We were done, data! http://www.efour4ever.com/44thdivision/vonbrauncapture.html
I don't think anybody in his right mind believes the atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were humanitarian acts!! That's pure American BS!! It was done to test them out, to see how they work.
So, do you think you have good democratic politicians now in Germany? I am still disappointed how they handled the Murat Kurnaz case. But then, most Germans are anti-turk, anti-muslim.
Quoting dancing-loon: Well, don't they just about have that? The Senate is pretty much controlled by the Democrats. They still would have to have elections.(end quote)
Data:
I meant, although the two parties are more or less the same, or under the same lobbyists' influence, they still have to go through the process of an election campaign, so it looks like a democracy, but in reality it isn't.
I think they do talk about their political intentions.... don't know about concepts for society at large. They have to reveal themselves to the public, how else are the voters going to decide.
Interesting tidbit from Europe, and a good example of manipulation to achieve a certain result. It's being done all over the world.
No, I haven't tried nailing pudding to the wall!:lol::lol: Data, you are getting funny!;-)
Alright, I won't comment on AIPAC!