Our Glorious Afghan Mission

[einmensch]

But we are there so the people have freedom, democracy--now we can't hand prisoners to them --but we fight to keep them in power-- Afghan Hashish-paid to drive the Soviets out--heroin and opium our taxes and the blood of our noble peacekeeping Canadian soldiers and poor locals---- will get the pipelines and roads built-in the name of freedom democracy and permanent occupation , like Germany-Colpy, Like Iraq ??---Karzai the Peacok--dandies around --now the justification is that if SOME west friendly Lord doesn't build the pipeline IRAN will--Pre-emptive peacekeeping--?

“assist Afghanistan to become an energy bridge in the region” The the Nazis errr I mean the Taliban said no-- so Canada is there to assist Ho ho ho--Kosovo provided the Norther route-50cents /litter is not too much to ask to ASSist those poor people!

 

[einmensch]

Electricity - production:​

609.6 billion kWh (2005) https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/ca.html

Electricity - production by source:​

fossil fuel: 28%
hydro: 57.9%
nuclear: 12.9%
other: 1.3% (2001)

Electricity - consumption:​

540.2 billion kWh (2005)

Electricity - exports:​

42.93 billion kWh (2005)

Electricity - imports:​

19.33 billion kWh (2005)

Oil - production:​

3.092 million bbl/day (2005)

Oil - consumption:​

2.29 million bbl/day (2005)

Oil - exports:​

2.274 million bbl/day (2004)

Oil - imports:​

1.185 million bbl/day (2004)

Oil - proved reserves:​

178.8 billion bbl
note: includes oil sands (1 January 2006 est.)

Natural gas - production:​

178.2 billion cu m (2005 est.)

Natural gas - consumption:​

92.76 billion cu m (2005 est.)

Natural gas - exports:​

101.9 billion cu m (2005 est.)

Natural gas - imports:​

9.403 billion cu m (2005)

Natural gas - proved reserves:​

1.537 trillion cu m (1 January 2006 est.)

Current account balance:​

$13.26 billion (2007 est.)

Exports:​

$433.1 billion f.o.b. (2007 est.)

Exports - commodities:​

motor vehicles and parts, industrial machinery, aircraft, telecommunications equipment; chemicals, plastics, fertilizers; wood pulp, timber, crude petroleum, natural gas, electricity, aluminum

Exports - partners:​

US 81.6%, UK 2.3%, Japan 2.1% (2006)

 

[einmensch]

Doryman-Attacking the West for their mistakes--No mistakes Doryman--PLANNED lies and attack on Iraq, Planned lies and attack on Afghanistan, PLANNED attack and severing Kosovo from Serbia--You need to get a second oar. Providing honest information is the best us little guys can do and the brain dead majority is ready to cut out hearts. Got your knife ready?

 

[dancing-loon]

Who would have thought!!!

Germany Plans to Raise Troop Level for Afghanistan
German Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung confirmed on Tuesday that Germany is planning on increasing the number of troops stationed in Afghanistan by 1,000.

Germany's Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung announced Tuesday that Berlin wanted to increase the country's troop contingent to 4,500 by the fall -- up from the Berlin-imposed 3,500 ceiling that has been in place for years.

"The increase is necessary to give us more flexibility to respond to challenges," Jung told reporters at a news conference in Berlin. "But the upper limit of 4,500 does not mean that they will all be deployed at once."

Jung said one of the main reasons for the raising of troop levels was that the German army was planning to triple the amount of training it offered to Afghan troops. On top of that, Jung added, it was necessary to have reserves in northern Afghanistan to replace troops from other partner nations.
In February, Germany also agreed to send a 200-strong quick reaction force to replace a departing unit from Norway.

Read full article: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,561669,00.htm
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That is interesting! They have more troops there than Canada?
Here is a link to troop breakdown into various countries.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/af...henumbers.html

 

[dancing-loon]

Hi, Beaver;
you contributed a couple of great articles! It is so heartening to read the solidarity decisions to oppose the war. Do you think it will sway our feisty government? I hate their dealings in secrecy! So much for Harper's big announcement of openness. :roll:

I have an idea now why we are participating in Afghanistan... it's good business sense!!! Conservatives are by nature more business savvy than they are humanitarians.

 

[darkbeaver]

Hi, Beaver;
you contributed a couple of great articles! It is so heartening to read the solidarity decisions to oppose the war. Do you think it will sway our feisty government? I hate their dealings in secrecy! So much for Harper's big announcement of openness. :roll:

Hi DL. I do not believe that the opposition movements will change anything, media ownership and concentration will make sure it does not get considered by the citizens of this country. Harper maintains secrecy but so would the other two partys we are ruled by the corporatocracy (the bankers) democracy does not exist in Canada. We cannot decide to leave Afghanistan without leave of the bankers, they rule, they have for a long time.

I have an idea now why we are participating in Afghanistan... it's good business sense!!! Conservatives are by nature more business savvy than they are humanitarians.

Someone advised me once that if I wanted to understand how the world works I should try to follow the money and try to learn a little bit of economics.

 

[dancing-loon]

Someone advised me once that if I wanted to understand how the world works I should try to follow the money and try to learn a little bit of economics.

Money governs the world! Must we resign ourselves to that?

I asked google: Do the bankers control the governments?
Here the answer...

http://www.trueconspiracies.com/war.htm

I'm not sure, if I should take the info serious!

 

[Colpy]

Money governs the world! Must we resign ourselves to that?

I asked google: Do the bankers control the governments?
Here the answer...

http://www.trueconspiracies.com/war.htm

I'm not sure, if I should take the info serious!

Beleve me, DL, you should definitely NOT take this stuff seriously.

I've worked with historians as a researcher......the idea that their access to historical documents is limited, or that their political viewpoint is controlled by some great conspiracy is lunatic.

 

[darkbeaver]

Money governs the world! Must we resign ourselves to that?

I asked google: Do the bankers control the governments?
Here the answer...

http://www.trueconspiracies.com/war.htm

I'm not sure, if I should take the info serious!

Money also controls google. Money tends to subvert all human institutions, and usually in the pursuit of more money. Money is the root of evil. I take the information contained in your link seriously, and so do the wealthy and powerful, it is factual.
There is nothing more profitable than a nice global war, products fly off the shelves, demand is stimulated markets are thrown wide open economic activity multiplys fortunes are made and all it takes is the consumption and destruction of human beings of which there is a plentiful supply. Follow the money. If you watch the futures markets oil and commodities the very necessities of life you will see the bastards at work, it is estimated that the present oil price and food prices are inflated by 70% due to global unregulated speculation, a very big war will become apparent this fall. There is no fix for the capitalist economy, it has shot its wad, all that's left is the killing at the end.

 

[darkbeaver]

Beleve me, DL, you should definitely NOT take this stuff seriously.

I've worked with historians as a researcher......the idea that their access to historical documents is limited, or that their political viewpoint is controlled by some great conspiracy is lunatic.

Colpy, why not provide material in support of your delusional position?
Historians are also for sale there are no human institutions that are immune to the power of money and greed. By the way your infantile contention that historical documents are not classified and withheld from the public is despicable. The subject is covered in numerous legal and regulatory pieces of legislation. Lunatic indeed. You begin to show signs of desperation as your false paradigm becomes increasingly unsupportable. In the end I expect you to become violent.

 

[darkbeaver]

State-Sponsored Terror: British and American Black Ops in Iraq

By Andrew G. Marshall

Global Research, June 25, 2008

Shining Light on the "Black World"​

In January of 2002, the Washington Post ran a story detailing a CIA plan put forward to President Bush shortly after 9/11 by CIA Director George Tenet titled, "Worldwide Attack Matrix," which was "outlining a clandestine anti-terror campaign in 80 countries around the world. What he was ready to propose represented a striking and risky departure for U.S. policy and would give the CIA the broadest and most lethal authority in its history." The plan entailed CIA and Special Forces "covert operations across the globe," and at "the heart of the proposal was a recommendation that the president give the CIA what Tenet labeled "exceptional authorities" to attack and destroy al Qaeda in Afghanistan and the rest of the world." Tenet cited the need for such authority "to allow the agency to operate without restraint -- and he wanted encouragement from the president to take risks." Among the many authorities recommended was the use of "deadly force."
Further, "Another proposal was that the CIA increase liaison work with key foreign intelligence services," as "Using such intelligence services as surrogates could triple or quadruple the CIA's effectiveness." The Worldwide Attack Matrix "described covert operations in 80 countries that were either underway or that he was now recommending. The actions ranged from routine propaganda to lethal covert action in preparation for military attacks," as well as "In some countries, CIA teams would break into facilities to obtain information."[1]
P2OG: "Commit terror, to incite terror… in order to react to terror"
In 2002, the Pentagon’s Defense Science Board (DSB) conducted a "Summer Study on Special Operations and Joint Forces in Support of Countering Terrorism," portions of which were leaked to the Federation of American Scientists. According to the document, the "War on Terror" constitutes a "committed, resourceful and globally dispersed adversary with strategic reach," which will require the US to engage in a "long, at times violent, and borderless war." As the Asia Times described it, this document lays out a blueprint for the US to "fight fire with fire." Many of the "proposals appear to push the military into territory that traditionally has been the domain of the CIA, raising questions about whether such missions would be subject to the same legal restraints imposed on CIA activities." According to the Chairman of the DSB, "The CIA executes the plans but they use Department of Defense assets."
Specifically, the plan "recommends the creation of a super-Intelligence Support Activity, an organization it dubs the Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG), to bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence and cover and deception. For example, the Pentagon and CIA would work together to increase human intelligence (HUMINT) forward/operational presence and to deploy new clandestine technical capabilities." The purpose of P2OG would be in "‘stimulating reactions’ among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction, meaning it would prod terrorist cells into action, thus exposing them to ‘quick-response’ attacks by US forces."[2] In other words, commit terror to incite

 

[Colpy]

Colpy, why not provide material in support of your delusional position?
Historians are also for sale there are no human institutions that are immune to the power of money and greed. By the way your infantile contention that historical documents are not classified and withheld from the public is despicable. The subject is covered in numerous legal and regulatory pieces of legislation. Lunatic indeed. You begin to show signs of desperation as your false paradigm becomes increasingly unsupportable. In the end I expect you to become violent.

I keep telling you, DB, there is absolutely NO risk of my becoming violent.

I don't know where you live.

Good Lord.....either you got spell check or the receiver in your tinfoil hat is working very well today.

Carry on.

 

[MikeyDB]

Colpy

So you reject outright that there was any sort of conspiracy involved in the American invasion of Iraq...right?

 

[Just the Facts]

The invasion of Iraq was carried out by a lone gunman, for sure.

 

[dancing-loon]

Thank you, Beaver!

Just reading the first few lines of your "Shining Light..." article triggered my memory of a similar CIA ambition under JFK's rule. His reaction was to reduce the force and the powers of the CIA organization. For that decision he had to pay with his life. True or not, but it is very possible! Lee Oswald was a CIA creation, and Ruby shooting him another... all to cover up their own mode of operandi!! CIA was also going to assassinate Castro against JFK's will.

So, now they are at it again under the Bush regime, a much more willing and power-hungry bunch under the influence of big money and big corporations!

My question is, what benefit does the CIA get from this unbridled and unlimited power? Who is the CIA? What kind of people are in it? What motivates them? Under whose veiled direction do they operate! Who are the boogey men behind them, IF there are any? What is the purpose of having the American elite control the world? They already have everything they want.

With all these questions in mind the only reason I can come up with at the moment is, they want to play, they want to see how far they can go.... ultimate goal? World domination!
And then what? They only live so long, and then they have to hand in their spoon. Their "reason" would have to be the ultimate thrill, going for the impossible and succeed.

Last night, after reading your other two articles I went down memory lane, back to my childhood, my parents childhood, and what little I know about my grandparents' childhood.
They were all poor workers, barely having enough food to put on the table, despite working long hours. Their employers were big landowners who lived in castles with all kinds of servants.

Looking at myself and around the society I live in now, it is very obvious that things have changed massively for the better, even in Germany where I grew up.

So, Beaver, tell me what is still wrong with our society, our institutions and most of all... our government? What would you want to improve? What is still lacking for the average common worker? What does he need, but cannot get?

Back to the topic of the CIA - I very much agree to the possibility of their tactic to incite terror, so they can fight it anywhere in the world. That is already visible to us as a fact.

I think people like you, Mikey, me and others, are from a less materialistic planet. We perceive and understand that certain things are definitely wrong and evil, whilst others don't care and support actions like unprovoked, phony wars... regardless of the suffering of absolutely innocent people. If these innocents are Muslims, they actually rejoice! Why is there such a division in perception amongst people? How did I arrive at my present consciousness of rejecting violence, and dear Colpy, for instance, has no problem with it... to him it makes sense. And he is not alone!
Are we, I mean mankind, standing at the threshold of good versus evil? Are we about to eliminate ourselves, and the few survivors will start over from scratch?
That thought lingers kind of in the background of my mind.... something Awful and Big is going to happen soon.
Will the CIA and their power thirst set it off?
Hoo nos?!!!:lol:

P.S. No offense, Colpy... you have proven yourself a gentleman towards me. Take this as a little nudge, a teaser! You already made big strides towards peace by defending little Omar Khadr. There is hope you'll come around all the way!;-)

 

[darkbeaver]

"So, Beaver, tell me what is still wrong with our society, our institutions and most of all... our government? What would you want to improve? What is still lacking for the average common worker? What does he need, but cannot get?"

In my opinion the wrong in our society requires reverance for the universe, natural surroundings, love of nieghbour, education and honesty. Those institutions including our government no longer belong to the people and I'm not sure how long forigne ownership so to speak has prevailed, statistically you can approximate a point in time when the tip was actuated.

The working class should be the only class, there should be no incumbrance placed in anyones way for full exercise of the joys of work one loves. What he cannot get is the genes which enable the psycopath and therefore can never exercise the same rational killing and enslavement, he's a sucker for tears and will always gravitate toward benevolent coexistance, this the elite whip out of us with the balance sheet and the wage bondage of the machine slave.His is to toil and consume, that's his only reward for obediance. :smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

Victor's Justice Vs. Morality

The Hitchens Conundrum

By Patrick J. Buchanan

25/06/08 " Post Chronicle" -- - -Did Hitler's crimes justify the Allies' terror-bombing of Germany? Indeed they did, answers Christopher Hitchens in his Newsweek response to my new book, "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War":

"The stark evidence of the Final Solution has ever since been enough to dispel most doubts about, say, the wisdom or morality of carpet-bombing German cities."

Atheist, Trotskyite and newborn neocon, Hitchens embraces the morality of 'lex talionis' - an eye for an eye. If Germans murdered women and children, the British were morally justified in killing German women and children.

According to British historians, however, Churchill ordered the initial bombing of German cities on his first day in office, the very first day of the Battle of France, on May 10, 1940.

After the fall of France, Churchill wrote Lord Beaverbrook, minister of air production: "When I look round to see how we can win the war, I see that there is only one sure path ... an absolutely devastating, exterminating attack by very heavy bombers from this country upon the Nazi homeland."

"Exterminating attack," said Churchill. By late 1940, writes historian Paul Johnson, "British bombers were being used on a great and increasing scale to kill and frighten the German civilian population in their homes."

"The adoption of terror bombing was a measure of Britain's desperation," writes Johnson. "So far as air strategy was concerned," adds British historian A.J.P. Taylor, "the British outdid German frightfulness first in theory, later in practice, and a nation which claimed to be fighting for a moral cause gloried in the extent of its immoral acts."

The chronology is crucial to Hitchens' case.

Late 1940 was a full year before the mass deportations from the Polish ghettos to Treblinka and Sobibor began. Churchill had ordered the indiscriminate bombing of German cities and civilians before the Nazis had begun to execute the Final Solution.

By Hitchens' morality and logic, Germans at Nuremberg might have asserted a right to kill women and children because that is what the British were doing to their women and children.

After the fire-bombing of Dresden in 1945, Churchill memoed his air chiefs: "It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed."

Churchill concedes here what the British had been about in Dresden.

Under Christian and 'just war' theory, the deliberate killing of civilians in wartime is forbidden. Nazis were hanged for such war crimes.

Did the Allies commit acts of war for which we hanged Germans?

When we recall that Josef Stalin's judges sat beside American and British judges at Nuremberg, and one of the prosecutors there was Andrei Vishinsky, chief prosecutor in Stalin's show trails, the answer has to be yes.

While Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were surely guilty of waging aggressive war in September 1939, Stalin and his comrades had joined the Nazis in the rape of Poland, and had raped Finland, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, as well. Scores of thousands of civilians in the three Baltic countries were murdered.

Yet, at Nuremberg, Soviets sat in judgment of their Nazi accomplices, and had the temerity to accuse the Nazis of the Katyn Forest massacre of the Polish officer corps that the Soviets themselves had committed.

Americans fought alongside British soldiers in a just and moral war from 1941 to 1945. But we had as allies a Bolshevik monster whose hands dripped with the blood of millions of innocents murdered in peacetime. And to have Stalin's judges sit beside Americans at Nuremberg gave those trials an aspect of hypocrisy that can never be erased.

At Nuremberg, Adm. Erich Raeder was sentenced to prison for life for the invasion of neutral Norway. Yet Raeder's ships arrived 24 hours before British ships and marines of an operation championed by Winston Churchill.

The British had planned to violate Norwegian neutrality first and seize Norwegian ports to deny Germany access to the Swedish iron ore being transshipped through them. For succeeding where Churchill failed, Raeder was condemned as a war criminal and sent to prison.

The London Charter of the International Military Tribunal decided that at Nuremberg only the crimes of Axis powers would be prosecuted and that among those crimes would be a newly invented "crimes against humanity." This decree was issued Aug. 8, 1945, 48 hours after we dropped the first atom bomb on Hiroshima and 24 hours before we dropped the second on Nagasaki.

We and the British judiciously decided not to prosecute the Nazis for the bombing of London and Coventry.

It was an understandable decision, and one that surely Gen. Curtis LeMay concurred in, as LeMay had boasted at war's end, "We scorched and boiled and baked to death more people in Tokyo that night of March 9-10 than went up in vapor in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined."

After the war, a lone Senate voice arose to decry what was taking place at Nuremberg as "victor's justice." Ten years later, a young colleague would declare the late Robert A. Taft "A Profile in Courage" for having spoken up against ex post facto justice. The young senator was John F. Kennedy.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of Churchill, Hitler and The Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World

 

[Colpy]

Thank you, DB, for an interesting and thought-provoking article.

 

[dancing-loon]

Money also controls google

Oh No! I rely so much on google for any information.

I take the information contained in your link seriously, and so do the wealthy and powerful, it is factual.

I'm glad to hear you say that.

There is nothing more profitable than a nice global war, products fly off the shelves, demand is stimulated, markets are thrown wide open, economic activity multiplies, fortunes are made and all it takes is the consumption and destruction of human beings of which there is a plentiful supply.

Looking on the bright side, it is a constant rejuvenation!!;-)

Follow the money. If you watch the futures markets oil and commodities, the very necessities of life, you will see the bastards at work,

No, I don't burden myself with the markets... too confusing for me.

it is estimated that the present oil price and food prices are inflated by 70% due to global unregulated speculation.

That is a sad fact! There is no reason to raise those prices!! All shenanigans!

a very big war will become apparent this fall. There is no fix for the capitalist economy, it has shot its wad, all that's left is the killing at the end.

You really think so? I guess pretty much everybody has enough weapons piled up, so now is the time to use them. Are you thinking of the Iran war? In that case Russia will get involved!! I hope the Americans/Israelis know that!!

 

[dancing-loon]

"So, Beaver, tell me what is still wrong with our society, our institutions and most of all... our government? What would you want to improve? What is still lacking for the average common worker? What does he need, but cannot get?"

In my opinion the wrong in our society requires reverence for the universe, natural surroundings, love of neighbor, education and honesty.

Yes, those qualities could use some substantial improvements! Education, I think, is pretty good. We in Canada have free education for all people, thanks to our tax system.

Those institutions, including our government, no longer belong to the people

Which institutions in particular do you mean? Police? Social Services? Most institutions are subjected to government regulations, there's no way around it. Since we, the people, establish the government, we have the ultimate control, don't we? In theory at least! But I know what you mean... it's the big guns, the ones with money who manipulate our government to do what is good for them only.

and I'm not sure how long foreign ownership so to speak has prevailed, statistically you can approximate a point in time when the tip was actuated.

You mean companies and services are foreign owned? That is true. But in turn we also own businesses in other countries, mainly the States. Since these foreign companies pay pretty much the same as any Canadian would, I see no real disadvantage for the common worker. I'm not sure how it is with foreigners buying large tracts of our land. That could in the extreme lead to "pulling the rug from under us"!

The working class should be the only class, there should be no encumbrance placed in anyones way for full exercise of the joys of work one loves. What he cannot get is the genes which enable the psychopath and therefore can never exercise the same rational killing and enslavement, he's a sucker for tears and will always gravitate toward benevolent coexistence, this the elite whip out of us with the balance sheet and the wage bondage of the machine slave.His is to toil and consume, that's his only reward for obedience.

That's been the way ever since we got chased out of paradise!! It's us, we ourselves create good and bad situations, because we are not all on the same level of character development
My belief in and understanding of reincarnation has helped me in numerous situations to find an explanation for the "Why" and "what for", when things don't make sense.
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