Our Glorious Afghan Mission
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What do you care? You've publically called for the deaths and bloodshed of innocent people many times over.
You aren't dying, no one you care about it dying and overall you love to see people die, why do you keep complaining?
Or is it that you're just eagerly awaiting these deaths like a kid on christmas morn?
You aren't dying, no one you care about it dying and overall you love to see people die, why do you keep complaining?
Or is it that you're just eagerly awaiting these deaths like a kid on christmas morn?
``drug trade``
Easy money for the corrupt. With an inevitable array of harm to the poor.
Development has always been the key to keeping the poor from the influence of the oppressors and exploiters. Education designed to enlighten and dissolve archaic cultural notions can also help. While many condemn Islam for the burqa and the idea that females should remain uneducated, this view is unwarranted as the Koran has no sanction for any of this. On the contrary, Islam's co-foundress was an enlightened and very liberated woman. There are many viable solutions to the terrible problems that exist in Afghanistan. War is certainly not one of them. Progress is the ideal.
Easy money for the corrupt. With an inevitable array of harm to the poor.
Development has always been the key to keeping the poor from the influence of the oppressors and exploiters. Education designed to enlighten and dissolve archaic cultural notions can also help. While many condemn Islam for the burqa and the idea that females should remain uneducated, this view is unwarranted as the Koran has no sanction for any of this. On the contrary, Islam's co-foundress was an enlightened and very liberated woman. There are many viable solutions to the terrible problems that exist in Afghanistan. War is certainly not one of them. Progress is the ideal.
It's a five minute wade, if that's to deep stay in the shallow end.
tsk tsk that is not nice. All you were asking was a short version, was nothing to jump you for.
:bs:America is no worse than Canada for being in the war, reasons are the same. We should mind our own business too, and let them live and run their country any way they please none of our concern.
You seem to have a fixation Zzarchov. I'm flattered, I'v never been stalked before. Is it my legs or my bum?:lol:
Heart Of Darkness
Princess Patricia, A Taliban Takeover. By Eric Walberg
04/06/08 "Australia.TO" -- - News from Afghanistan makes no sense. On the one hand there are up-beat stories like the recent Canadian Operation Rolling Thunder in Pashmul, Kandahar. “I started the operation on a hospital operating table and I’m ending it with everybody coming back safely. I couldn’t be happier,” beamed Major Grubb, leading the 2nd Battalion of the bizarrely named Princess Patricia’s Light Infantry Company. ( 5 )
The few locals still living in Pashmul, the scene of this “liberation” campaign by the kuffar Canadians, either fled by foot or cowered in their dugouts before the fighting started. Most are poor farmers. Scores of locals, the “enemy”, were killed by the brave Canucks, who, just to clinch their “success”, called on US military air support to drop several bombs, including Hellfire missiles. Several dozen “enemy” were destroyed. Only one Afghan government soldier was hurt when he accidentally shot himself in the foot. No Canadians were even injured. Major Grubb acknowledged the operation isn’t a “permanent result” because the Taliban seem to have an unlimited supply of fighters willing to battle for Pashmul.
Western readers have become numbed into accepting the code words “enemy” and “insurgents”, ignoring the underlying fact that the Taliban are still the legitimate government, that these so-called insurgents are in fact widely seen as freedom fighters battling the non-Muslim foreign occupiers — the real “enemy” — who invaded the country illegally and have killed hundreds of thousands of resistance fighters and innocent civilians illegally. Rather than “killed”, the word “murdered” might be more appropriate. For locals, the dead are “martyred”, as in Iraq and Palestine.
In a recent report which notably reflects the implicit horror of what the occupiers are doing, the Globe and Mail’s Doug Saunders describes a scene in Naray, on the northeast border with Pakistan, where 200 trigger-happy US Army soldiers huddle in tents, sheltering themselves from regular rocket attacks. He was greeted by a certain Lieutenant-Colonel Christopher Kolenda, a clean-cut, steel-eyed officer in the 173rd Airborne, who introduced him to one of the key battlefield tactics of the new American military — the two-hour PowerPoint presentation. “The heart of the matter here, as we see it, is a socio-economic dislocation,” Kolenda told him, before quoting from Sir George Scott Robertson’s 1900 manual Kaffirs of the Hindu Kush and explaining in detail the anthropology and tribal politics of this region, including some new research he had commissioned from American Human Terrain Specialists.( 4.)
“There’s been an atomisation of society here — the elders lost control over their people, and a new elite of fighters came in to fill the vacuum, so what we need to do out here is to re-empower the traditional leadership structures. As you approach the possibility of self-sufficient development, then you reach what I’ll call the developmental asymptote, which is the point we’re striving to reach.” Hardly the sort of talk he had expected from an infantry brigade known for its ruthlessness. Here at the headwaters of the river, he felt he had encountered some “latter-day Colonel Kurtzes, losing themselves in Cartesian twists of logic amid all the mud and dust.”
This, apparently, is the Petraeus Doctrine, a new version of the infamous “strategic hamlets” strategy of Vietnam days, with officers taking totalitarian command of the society, in hopes of replacing the Taliban with a made-in-America secular, consumer culture. A zealous US officer in Naray effused, “Our goal is to rebuild the government and society from the ground up in our model,” using the Commander’s Emergency Response Programme, funding so-called society-rebuilding programmes — similar to what the dozens of Western aid organisations might do if they dared venture forth from Kabul.
“We do not believe in counterinsurgency,” a senior French commander, clearly recalling Vietnam and Algeria, told Saunders. “If you find yourself needing to use counterinsurgency, it means the entire population has become the subject of your war, and you either will have to stay there forever or you have lost.” The Americans, unfortunately, have yet to learn this lesson. “We’re trying to raise the opportunity cost of picking up a weapon or growing poppy,” says Alison Blosser, a Pashto-speaking State Department official. And they are willing to wait things out, according to one official, an obvious acolyte of presidential hopeful Senator John McCain: “We’re still in Germany and Japan 60 years after that war ended. That’s how long it can take. I fully expect to have grandchildren who will be fighting out here.”
Despite the insistence by the occupiers that they can outlast the resistance, there is a constant string of reports indicating the Taliban are continuing to increase their strength, taking control of the regional centre Ghaszani in central Afghanistan last week, though reports were quick to add that occupation forces rushed in to retake the village. There have been reports of Taliban fighters moving into several other rural districts north and east of Kabul. The Taliban is seen by many in the districts surrounding the capital as a credible alternative to the weak US-backed government.
Kabul itself is the constant scene of bombings. Sunday, a remote-controlled bomb blew up a mini-bus shuttling National Army personnel to the Ministry of Defence, killing a woman and wounding five others, including three army personnel. Three days earlier a suicide bomber targeted a convoy of international soldiers in eastern Kabul, killing three civilians.
Violence has increased around Afghanistan during the last two years, even as more international troops have poured into the country. More than 1,500 people have died in insurgency-related violence this year. Analysts estimate that this has been the bloodiest spring since the start of the insurgency and that the increasing instability is fuelling the call to deploy more troops to the region. Ninety-seven British soldiers have died in Afghanistan since 2001, most in the past two years. At current rates, the 100 mark will be passed in the coming month. www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20042.htm
Princess Patricia, A Taliban Takeover. By Eric Walberg
04/06/08 "Australia.TO" -- - News from Afghanistan makes no sense. On the one hand there are up-beat stories like the recent Canadian Operation Rolling Thunder in Pashmul, Kandahar. “I started the operation on a hospital operating table and I’m ending it with everybody coming back safely. I couldn’t be happier,” beamed Major Grubb, leading the 2nd Battalion of the bizarrely named Princess Patricia’s Light Infantry Company. ( 5 )
The few locals still living in Pashmul, the scene of this “liberation” campaign by the kuffar Canadians, either fled by foot or cowered in their dugouts before the fighting started. Most are poor farmers. Scores of locals, the “enemy”, were killed by the brave Canucks, who, just to clinch their “success”, called on US military air support to drop several bombs, including Hellfire missiles. Several dozen “enemy” were destroyed. Only one Afghan government soldier was hurt when he accidentally shot himself in the foot. No Canadians were even injured. Major Grubb acknowledged the operation isn’t a “permanent result” because the Taliban seem to have an unlimited supply of fighters willing to battle for Pashmul.
Western readers have become numbed into accepting the code words “enemy” and “insurgents”, ignoring the underlying fact that the Taliban are still the legitimate government, that these so-called insurgents are in fact widely seen as freedom fighters battling the non-Muslim foreign occupiers — the real “enemy” — who invaded the country illegally and have killed hundreds of thousands of resistance fighters and innocent civilians illegally. Rather than “killed”, the word “murdered” might be more appropriate. For locals, the dead are “martyred”, as in Iraq and Palestine.
In a recent report which notably reflects the implicit horror of what the occupiers are doing, the Globe and Mail’s Doug Saunders describes a scene in Naray, on the northeast border with Pakistan, where 200 trigger-happy US Army soldiers huddle in tents, sheltering themselves from regular rocket attacks. He was greeted by a certain Lieutenant-Colonel Christopher Kolenda, a clean-cut, steel-eyed officer in the 173rd Airborne, who introduced him to one of the key battlefield tactics of the new American military — the two-hour PowerPoint presentation. “The heart of the matter here, as we see it, is a socio-economic dislocation,” Kolenda told him, before quoting from Sir George Scott Robertson’s 1900 manual Kaffirs of the Hindu Kush and explaining in detail the anthropology and tribal politics of this region, including some new research he had commissioned from American Human Terrain Specialists.( 4.)
“There’s been an atomisation of society here — the elders lost control over their people, and a new elite of fighters came in to fill the vacuum, so what we need to do out here is to re-empower the traditional leadership structures. As you approach the possibility of self-sufficient development, then you reach what I’ll call the developmental asymptote, which is the point we’re striving to reach.” Hardly the sort of talk he had expected from an infantry brigade known for its ruthlessness. Here at the headwaters of the river, he felt he had encountered some “latter-day Colonel Kurtzes, losing themselves in Cartesian twists of logic amid all the mud and dust.”
This, apparently, is the Petraeus Doctrine, a new version of the infamous “strategic hamlets” strategy of Vietnam days, with officers taking totalitarian command of the society, in hopes of replacing the Taliban with a made-in-America secular, consumer culture. A zealous US officer in Naray effused, “Our goal is to rebuild the government and society from the ground up in our model,” using the Commander’s Emergency Response Programme, funding so-called society-rebuilding programmes — similar to what the dozens of Western aid organisations might do if they dared venture forth from Kabul.
“We do not believe in counterinsurgency,” a senior French commander, clearly recalling Vietnam and Algeria, told Saunders. “If you find yourself needing to use counterinsurgency, it means the entire population has become the subject of your war, and you either will have to stay there forever or you have lost.” The Americans, unfortunately, have yet to learn this lesson. “We’re trying to raise the opportunity cost of picking up a weapon or growing poppy,” says Alison Blosser, a Pashto-speaking State Department official. And they are willing to wait things out, according to one official, an obvious acolyte of presidential hopeful Senator John McCain: “We’re still in Germany and Japan 60 years after that war ended. That’s how long it can take. I fully expect to have grandchildren who will be fighting out here.”
Despite the insistence by the occupiers that they can outlast the resistance, there is a constant string of reports indicating the Taliban are continuing to increase their strength, taking control of the regional centre Ghaszani in central Afghanistan last week, though reports were quick to add that occupation forces rushed in to retake the village. There have been reports of Taliban fighters moving into several other rural districts north and east of Kabul. The Taliban is seen by many in the districts surrounding the capital as a credible alternative to the weak US-backed government.
Kabul itself is the constant scene of bombings. Sunday, a remote-controlled bomb blew up a mini-bus shuttling National Army personnel to the Ministry of Defence, killing a woman and wounding five others, including three army personnel. Three days earlier a suicide bomber targeted a convoy of international soldiers in eastern Kabul, killing three civilians.
Violence has increased around Afghanistan during the last two years, even as more international troops have poured into the country. More than 1,500 people have died in insurgency-related violence this year. Analysts estimate that this has been the bloodiest spring since the start of the insurgency and that the increasing instability is fuelling the call to deploy more troops to the region. Ninety-seven British soldiers have died in Afghanistan since 2001, most in the past two years. At current rates, the 100 mark will be passed in the coming month. www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20042.htm
When were the Taliban ever the legitimate government?
They never ran Afghanistan, they ran parts of Afghanistan and the only support they had was force of arms, even still they faced frequent rebellions of their own.
Claiming they are the legitimate government of Afghanistan is like saying Taiwan is still the legitimate government of all China.
They never ran Afghanistan, they ran parts of Afghanistan and the only support they had was force of arms, even still they faced frequent rebellions of their own.
Claiming they are the legitimate government of Afghanistan is like saying Taiwan is still the legitimate government of all China.
Force of arms eh. Well lets consider the force of arms that binds the Israeli experiance or the military vice of the USA or the arms of any western member of the bankers mercenary forces in any one of dozens of conflict zones on this planet. If you wern't such a transparent piece of limp work Zzarchov you'd be a lot more interesting, christ you remind me of David Frum or any one of a dozen other imperial mouth pieces, crap boy ya move a lot of it ya got a big shovel. They were considered legitamate enough to sign agreements with many other nations so shut your pie hole your are wrong as usual.
**** I almost forgot to inquire after your health and general wellfare Zzarchov. How have you been?Are you enjoying good weather yet? What are your vacation plans for this summer? Will you be going to dance camp and summer school again this year?:lol:
Legitimate enough to be only recognized by Pakistan, thats awesome.
I love your temper tantrum and name calling when your shown up
Oh poor DB, so angry you've failed in life, eager to blame vast conspiracies and everyone else but you. I hope you can calm yourself and turn your life around one of these days, no one deserves to be frothing and angry forever.
I love your temper tantrum and name calling when your shown up
Oh poor DB, so angry you've failed in life, eager to blame vast conspiracies and everyone else but you. I hope you can calm yourself and turn your life around one of these days, no one deserves to be frothing and angry forever.
Kara, you are a true blond. No oil worth mentioning in Afghanistan but the Big Boys want to build a Gas Pipeline from Turmenistan to Pakistan aas well as a an oil pipeline and so Canada has decided to help.
http://www.911myths.com/html/9_11_and_the_afghan_pipeline.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/9_11_and_the_afghan_pipeline.html
Afghan pipeline.
Right.
I heard that before. They'ver been in control (more or less) in Afghanistan for 6 1/2 years.
Where's the pipeline????????
Hmmmm?????
http://www.slate.com/?id=2059487&device=
All talk of Afghanistan is completely off the screen here in Gopherland. The news media and radio commentators never discuss it anymore. I guess their puppet masters in the military industrial complex have told them to keep it quiet.
One can't build a pipeline if one doesn't control the people. Afghanistan is sort of 50/50. Karzai may not even control 50%. When Canada was responsible for Kabul security , it cost Canadian tax payers $20,000,000 a month to keep Karzai alive. Opium production went from being almost erradicated to the worlds #1 producer. BUT I guess one needs to treat ones allies, The Northern Alliance, well. How often are Iraqi pipelines sabotaged? Daily? More than one a day?--Our Gas dollars are helping to pay---and Canada produces twice as much crude as it consumes---Albania demanded that Kosovo be wrenched from the Serbs and then Albania would allow a pipeline to be built through it. Albanians are Muslim but they are our friends and the Kurds from Iraq that attack Turkey are rebels not terrorists. Definition of rebel??
I'll remind you that I am still sucking oxygen Zzarchov and have done so most days during my 54 year vacation here on your lovely planet. However you measure success I'm it buddy.Legitimate enough to be only recognized by Pakistan, thats awesome.
I love your temper tantrum and name calling when your shown up
Oh poor DB, so angry you've failed in life, eager to blame vast conspiracies and everyone else but you. I hope you can calm yourself and turn your life around one of these days, no one deserves to be frothing and angry forever.
Only the simpleminded would become aware of the state of our inhumanity and not engage in perfectly ligitamate frothing anger.
Where would you be without the likes of me Zzarchov? Your life would have no meaning no reflection no echo no colour you only are because I am, I'm a wall and you're a ball I'm a hook and you're a fish I'm a flower and you're the poop I love to grow in.
HUGS AND KISSES:lol:
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How would my life have no meaning without you? Thats the kind of self-import that is a truer sign of paranoia. The belief that you matter to everyone, they must be involved in conspiracies regarding you.
You really just aren't important in my life Darkbeaver, sorry. If It helps Im sure thats a similar story with most people about most people.
You really just aren't important in my life Darkbeaver, sorry. If It helps Im sure thats a similar story with most people about most people.
DB -><> I really do hope that you are a female or just a super teaser!!!
Colpy-Tell me again about Germany being a FREE country ->below> excerp from darkbeaver's post dated June 5, 4:48PM
“We’re trying to raise the opportunity cost of picking up a weapon or growing poppy,” says Alison Blosser, a Pashto-speaking State Department official. And they are willing to wait things out, according to one official, an obvious acolyte of presidential hopeful Senator John McCain: “We’re still in Germany and Japan 60 years after that war ended. That’s how long it can take. I fully expect to have grandchildren who will be fighting out here.”
You are right gopher, they all Turtle and, pick up a paycheck and that's the end of free speech.
I couldn't find serious injured,suicide etc statistics but my guess is that there are 300=> serious injuries. But I don't know what serious means??? Anyone have a stats sight?
East /West Germany Hmmm->
3) The Durand line is an unofficial porous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. In 1893, the British and the Afghan Amir (Abdur Rahman Khan) agreed to set up the Durand line (named after the foreign Secretary of the Indian government, Sir Mortimer Durand) to divide Afghanistan and what was then British India. Many experts believe that the Afghan Amir regarded the Durand Line as only a separation of areas of political responsibility, not permanent international borders. The agreement was only for 100 years and it expired in 1993. Moreover as early as 1949, Afghanistan's Loya Jirga declared the Durand Line invalid.
Colpy-Tell me again about Germany being a FREE country ->below> excerp from darkbeaver's post dated June 5, 4:48PM
“We’re trying to raise the opportunity cost of picking up a weapon or growing poppy,” says Alison Blosser, a Pashto-speaking State Department official. And they are willing to wait things out, according to one official, an obvious acolyte of presidential hopeful Senator John McCain: “We’re still in Germany and Japan 60 years after that war ended. That’s how long it can take. I fully expect to have grandchildren who will be fighting out here.”
You are right gopher, they all Turtle and, pick up a paycheck and that's the end of free speech.
I couldn't find serious injured,suicide etc statistics but my guess is that there are 300=> serious injuries. But I don't know what serious means??? Anyone have a stats sight?
East /West Germany Hmmm->
3) The Durand line is an unofficial porous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. In 1893, the British and the Afghan Amir (Abdur Rahman Khan) agreed to set up the Durand line (named after the foreign Secretary of the Indian government, Sir Mortimer Durand) to divide Afghanistan and what was then British India. Many experts believe that the Afghan Amir regarded the Durand Line as only a separation of areas of political responsibility, not permanent international borders. The agreement was only for 100 years and it expired in 1993. Moreover as early as 1949, Afghanistan's Loya Jirga declared the Durand Line invalid.
How can you be so arrogant toward me, a supreme being, who lowers himself into the mud and conducts benevolent intercourse with a dung beatle such as you.:smile:
Germany has its own constitution, as does Japan (although Japan's liberal constitution was written by MacArthur).....either country could remove American troops simply by saying "please leave". both countries maintain their own militaries, which could easily eject the US troops there. Both countries are democracies, and Germany has elected gov'ts that were VERY unpopular with the USA.......
There are US troops in Canada constantly.....I see American military convoys every summer heading to Gagetown, just up the road. Are we "occupied"?
With anyone else, that question would be rhetorical, for you: no, we are not.
There, as you requested, you have been given the facts yet again, I am sorry I can't help you with your delusions.....