What makes us fear death?

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The answers you are searching for Praxius , you will never find outside of yourself,especially from other people ;obviously no one lives your life ,or the other way around.We are very lazy species , we don't want to enquire , search , investigate within our self ; we want some gurus ,philosophers ,psychologists to give us a ready answers -as if they had any.They are all lost psychologicaly like most of us are.

Well I think you need to give your average human a bit more credit then that. We all seek these answers in our own ways throughout our entire lives, and whether or not we look for these answers ourselves or by asking others of their own opinions, I wouldn't call either lazy, as we are always trying to understand.... we understand by not just trying to figure things out for ourselves, but we interpret what others have experienced and adapt it to our own lives, since we don't live each other's lives as you say.

To me, it sounds like you are expressing that people will seek some "expert" or "Guru" for answers and just suck in what they have to say without question..... but we always are asking questions in order to seek what makes sense to us.

For example, you can goto all the religions in the world and listen to what each one has to say, and chances are you're not going to believe all of them, if any of them at all, due to your own personal existing beliefs and understanding..... if it doesn't make sense to you to wait until you are married to have sex for the sake of not sinning and you decide to go against that practice, then that is your choice and your interpretation of the value of what someone has explained to you, based on your personal life.

As another example would be my own personal beliefs of our purpose of existence and the afterlife/death. My understanding/belief is derrived from many practices and beliefs from many cultures and religions, as well as scientific understanding of it all. I took what made perfect sense in each sect and then merged them all together in a manner in which each part I took out of them support one another and yet, don't contradict one another.... thereby to me, this is a more logical explination compared to the common beliefs around the world.

^ Now the above follows along what you are explaining by seeking the answers yourself from within, which I did.... but my understanding of this whole thing has foundation from previous explinations and beliefs held by many others throughout the world and time in which I interpreted to make sense for myself.

And as proof of my belief being unique compared to the more common/popular beliefs, would be just the fact that when I sit down to explain my belief to someone of one of the original concepts, they're usually pretty pissed off that I soiled their belief by merging it with other one's they don't agree with..... not to mention I also came about some interesting explinations of some things in which some religious beliefs or scientific theories do not explain as of yet.

I guess what I am saying is that without all of the explinations and teachings from all the people we've encountered over our lifetimes.... you and I wouldn't have come to the conclusions we both have today, regardless if that conflict or match up. That's because if you didn't learn the exact things and when through the exact same experiences you have through your life, chances are your conclusions today would be very different and you might believe something else..... it's all based on those who brought us up and what we found interesting in which guided us along the path we are currently taking, and which also brought us to this current level of individual understanding.

Is there anything you can do to get to know your tru self Praxius?

I have on several occasions went through what some would classify as a "Spiritual Journey" which some situations included external stimulus of certains areas of my brain, and others included just myself looking at where I stand today compared to everyone else.

Although the most stimulated and vivid experience I had which brought me to the conclusions of existence today was due to an intense LSD experience a few years back. I haven't done that stuff in quite some time now, but what I learned from that and a few other experiences are still with me today, and in fact I think I picked up a few neat little tricks due to it that I can use throughout my life now.

Sure.You want to see what you are?...look in a mirror .The mirror will show you everything about your looks , what ever ,and the mirror never lies .

A mirror can tell more then just your looks, it can tell you the history of your life. Your relaxed facial expression can usually determine how much level of stress is in your life, due to lines, lowered eyebrows, facial expressions, etc. Scars also bring back memories of when they occured and how.

A mirror in my view, reflects the past and present but can not tell you of the future.

Life is a relationship Praxius , so there is also a mirror of relationships; your relationship to your loved ones your friends, to a tree and a falling leaf .animals whether domestic or wild, a relation you have to an old bended lady carrying a heavy baggage.You know what I mean? So Praxius you can observe yourself,neither accepting or rejecting what you see.What I mean ,don't judge.That mirror of relationship dosen't lie . It will show you exactly who you are .

Yeah although I seem like a jerk on the forums, I'm actually one of the more generous, funny and friendly people most would meet (Probably because I vent on forums :p ) But that reflection towards other people and who I truly am has also gotten me screwed over countless times from people who love to take generosity and twist it to their advantage in life, regardless of what effect that would have on myself or others. After a while, I decided to fog up my mirror, if you will.

...What you have done Praxius ,you have taken someone elses projections and formed into your own projection ....you are satysfied.But there isn't a speck of truth and actuality in all of these projections .They are not what is ; look at it ,think it out ; yourself ;don't look for a ready answer .

I didn't look for a ready answer when it came to me originally, it just shot into my brain.... or err.... through my body as well and beyond. The thing is, you can not hold previous beliefs without any value, because these people (not all) might have taken some considderable amount of time to do what you are suggesting and have come to the answers you are talking about.... those concepts are much closer then you might think to the actual truth.... the only problem is that most of the more popular beliefs have formed into religions. The problem with that is that religions were formed around concepts of actual truth (believe it or not) but those truths have been clouded due to adding more concepts, rules, morals, sins, ways of living your life, etc.... that were never there from the original concepts. This is a virus in all religions, as every religon holds a wee bit of actual truth, much like science..... the problem is the additional rules and dictations of how you're supposed to live your life which has not only lost the truths, but also made the other religions and sciences conflict with one another, as they don't believe in most of the additional crap added to their beliefs..... and vice versa.

When the answer does come face to face with you, it's so simple.... yet so complex.... it just boggles the mind and it'll fill you with a bit of glee because of where it hits you, and to actually know that there is a structure in place for our existence..... perhaps not a plan, or a destiny..... but there are a set of rules in which our existince follows that we are not aware of, and the rules and sins in relgions have nothing to do with it. You will see just how close humanity has come to understanding it, yet have been so skewed from its actual explinations due to exactly what you're talking about ~ Influenced Concepts from others ~ That we haven't yet come that close to fully understanding it, let alone explaining it to the rest of the world.

But if I can stumble apon it, I'm pretty sure many others around the world have, or about to start figuring it out.

Why would you want to do that .Beside that the shoes might not fit you , you are trying to ilumminate your self with someone elses light , the Truth .

Not exactly.... see I already know what they are going to tell me isn't 100% right, nor is whatever I expalin to you 100% right.... human communication isn't quite where it needs to be to do this properly. But once again, I take what they have to explain to me, attempt to relate it to what I already believe in, if it makes sense then I may find a way to fill in a gap that I might be missing in my collective understanding..... but if it just sounds like mumbo jumbo or some preachy crap or just doesn't relate to anything to what I am following, then it's tossed and I move on.

But I never considder what anybody has to say or their concepts as complete nonsense.... case in point is our current communications. I am reading what you have to say and interpreting it to my current concepts, and perhaps you might be taking a fraction of what I am saying into your own..... that's what humans do.

Once apon a time we didn't know how to fly.... then after humans worked together, we came up with the propeller powered airplane... shortly after that, someone added on top of that concept and curved the propellers for better thrust and energy consumption..... and it went on from there..... we improve our species by improving on past understandings, both in the physical and the mental.

Once apon a time we thought the earth was flat, and someone eventually thought it was round because they began to think for themselves..... but their thinking was based on original concepts and understandings in which they didn't agree with.

well Praxius ,that will get you no where .You have to find your own truth. And when you find it observe it ;don't try to control it or manipulate it, and perhaps then the truth will become your own Living Truth and you wont have to ask what life is 'cause you will know .One more thing Praxius ...Whenever you are truth is not- when you are not ,Truth is.

Perhaps some of the above might have explained my positioning better for you.
 

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Thanks Praxius ,let me re-read your letter few times .

....just few words ..technologically we are advanced tremendously but inside we are as primitive as at the beginning of our existence ".
Thanks for the post , be in touch.,good night.
 
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Knowledge. We exactly don’t know what is going to be after death. When you are going to die you know that you are going to leave behind everything. The knowledge of this is what makes us fear death.
 

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When I die, Marduk and I are going to kick some serious Tiamat butt, just like in the good old days.
 

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What makes us fear death? religion.!!!!
You are so right, Quandary!! We all know we deserve nothing better than HELL!!!
You, of course could elect to die as a martyr and enjoy the 72 virgins!! Better die young, so you can handle it!!:p:p

On a serious note, I have almost died a couple of times. It is nothing to be afraid of! A calm acceptance comes over you, and you are gone.

Since I do not believe in Heaven and Hell, I am not worried. It can't be worse on the other side than it is here.
 

Dexter Sinister

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After all, knowledge is a form of tradition, is it not?
No it's not, as I'll try to make clearer shortly. I think you're conflating knowledge and belief.
But knowledge is a hindrance when it becomes a tradition, a belief which guides the mind, the psyche, the inward being; and it also divides people.
That's not knowledge in the way I understand the word. Knowledge is about being acquainted with facts, things that are true, at least insofar as we can know them to be true. When it moves into being a tradition or belief, it's been taken beyond knowledge into the realms of opinion and faith and personal biases. Knowledge consists of things everybody can know, understand, and agree on, based on evidence anybody can see. If something doesn't meet those criteria, it's not knowledge.
The function of education is to give the student abundant knowledge in the various fields of human endeavour and at the same time to free his mind from all tradition so that he is able to investigate, to find out, to discover.
Ideally, yes, but usually only the first half of that works. Education should really be about teaching people how to think, but usually it's about teaching people what to think. That's useful and necessary, but it's only half the job. Most people in fact don't know how to think clearly because they've never learned how to do it. It's a learned skill like any other, it doesn't come naturally, as is easily demonstrated by the continued flourishing of mystic nonsense like astrology, homeopathy, iridology, magnet therapy... ah, the list is endless.
 

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You are so right, Quandary!! We all know we deserve nothing better than HELL!!!
You, of course could elect to die as a martyr and enjoy the 72 virgins!! Better die young, so you can handle it!!:p:p

On a serious note, I have almost died a couple of times. It is nothing to be afraid of! A calm acceptance comes over you, and you are gone.

Since I do not believe in Heaven and Hell, I am not worried. It can't be worse on the other side than it is here.

That just might be the cause i was waiting for lol :lol:;-)

Ive nearly died twice too once in a car accident and once when dreaming or astral travelling where i nearly never came back ?
 

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That just might be the cause i was waiting for lol :lol:;-)
I was, of course, just teasing you a little:p;-)
Ive nearly died twice too; once in a car accident
What year was that?
and once when dreaming or astral travelling where i nearly never came back ?
That is fascinating! I joined a dream group in 2000, and have learned a little bit about dreaming. Astral traveling supposedly is real, not a dream. Many years ago I read in the book, "An Autobiography of a Yogi" about a Guru in India, who traveled anytime at will while sitting still, meditating. He even took his young student with him one time!!!

If you don't mind talking about your experience, I would be much interested.
 

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I was, of course, just teasing you a little:p;-)What year was that?That is fascinating! I joined a dream group in 2000, and have learned a little bit about dreaming. Astral traveling supposedly is real, not a dream. Many years ago I read in the book, "An Autobiography of a Yogi" about a Guru in India, who traveled anytime at will while sitting still, meditating. He even took his young student with him one time!!!

If you don't mind talking about your experience, I would be much interested.

Well seeing as you asked ,the car axcident happen when i was about 7-8, i was riding my bike racing my bro to the local park. we turned a corner, the park was only about 500 yards away, i did not see the car, it went right over me the numberplate scraped the back of my head i was doing somersaults underneath it, a fire engine was called to lift the car off me and i was taken to hospital, i spent about 2 weeks in there before i was let out,then at the age of about 15-16 i had an epileptic seizure in my friends house, it freaked them out and my folks were told anyhow i was taken to hospital for tests, and they concluded that i had a very minor form of epilepsy, they gave me tablets and sent me home i took the course of tablets,And thought i was cured i did not realise that i should have been on them for the rest of my life, but ive lived with it now for over 30 years and can cope with the slight tremors i experience throughout my life, i have sort of mild black outs ,but this is not what you want to know is it well , whilst in bed one day i was dreaming about being run down on my local road out side my house, nowhere near where the original accident happened, and i found myself floating up, and up, and up, i was getting above the houses, and the street i could see the people down below and the cars, and i kept floating up and up, i started to get scared about how high i was, at this moment i realised my sleeping body, i was in two places at the same time trouble was my sleeping body felt like lead, i could not move i started to panic, and i remember thinking if i could only move my foot or toe or something i would be ok, at that moment i managed to move a toe and in an instant i was back in my real body, i remember thinking if i had known how easy it was to get back i would of carried on but i dident, so there you have it ive tried to do it since but am unable to recreate it or anything.? :lol:
 

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Quandary;
with the car accident, I guess it wasn't your time yet, but it was a miracle!

Could your slight epilepsy be the result of that harrowing accident, especially since it injured your head?
I don't know what causes epileptic seizures. Must be a neurological defect.

That dream was an "out-of-body" experience. Have you tried to focus on one particular object to get out of your body? Two of my children have been able to do it without much effort while they were younger.
 

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Quandary;
with the car accident, I guess it wasn't your time yet, but it was a miracle!

Could your slight epilepsy be the result of that harrowing accident, especially since it injured your head?
I don't know what causes epileptic seizures. Must be a neurological defect.

That dream was an "out-of-body" experience. Have you tried to focus on one particular object to get out of your body? Two of my children have been able to do it without much effort while they were younger.

exactly right this is what has caused it

no i have not tried that method ive tried other ways to do it but without success ive not tried for years maybe i should try again it is a fascinating subject and while i did it it was soo real and i think my fears were because i was young then :lol:
 

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Quoting china Nuggler



Nuggler ,please don't write in my threads .
MY threads?!???

you are so arrogant!

these threads don't belong to anyone in particular and nuggler can write wherever the hell he likes. I found his post very amusing and of much more information content than yours.
What so arrogant about my post ? I,m politely asking Nuggler not to place his posts if he can not keep up with the topic of the thread .Hey ,and that's all without any "helish" remarks .I think you are capable to understand that .If not ....well,

I found his post very amusing and of much more information content than yours.
Obviously that is very true , it falls around your level.
 

MikeyDB

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Careful China yor worldly knowlege and understanding of the human dynamic are showing....

Anger can be so petty.
 

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I like Woody Allen's remark on it: I'm not afraid of death, I just don't want to be there when it happens.

I'm not afraid of death. I'm afraid of dying. From what I've seen, it's usually a painful and undignified process that hurts everybody who loves you. Far better to go out quickly and cleanly, be hale and hearty 'til the last day then suddenly drop dead, than to linger for months or years, or sometimes decades as my father did, of decline and debility. I don't want to go that way. I'd prefer a helicopter crash in the middle of nowhere and never be found.
 

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I saw Ralph Stanley sing this one live at the Bluesfest in Ottawa and it was 'chilling' to say the least. From the movie O Brother Where Art Thou....O Death.

O, Death
O, Death
Won't you spare me over til another year
Well what is this that I can't see
With ice cold hands takin' hold of me
Well I am death, none can excel
I'll open the door to heaven or hell
Whoa, death someone would pray
Could you wait to call me another day
The children prayed, the preacher preached
Time and mercy is out of your reach
I'll fix your feet til you cant walk
I'll lock your jaw til you cant talk
I'll close your eyes so you can't see
This very air, come and go with me
I'm death I come to take the soul
Leave the body and leave it cold
To draw up the flesh off of the frame
Dirt and worm both have a claim
O, Death
O, Death
Won't you spare me over til another year
My mother came to my bed
Placed a cold towel upon my head
My head is warm my feet are cold
Death is a-movin upon my soul
Oh, death how you're treatin' me
You've close my eyes so I can't see
Well you're hurtin' my body
You make me cold
You run my life right outta my soul
Oh death please consider my age
Please don't take me at this stage
My wealth is all at your command
If you will move your icy hand
Oh the young, the rich or poor
Hunger like me you know
No wealth, no ruin, no silver no gold
Nothing satisfies me but your soul
O, death
O, death
Wont you spare me over til another year
Wont you spare me over til another year
Wont you spare me over til another year
 

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You cannot be frightened of the unknown because you do not know what the unknown is and so there is nothing to be frightened of. Death is a word, and it is the word, the image, that creates fear. So can you look at death without the image of death? As long as the image exists from which springs thought, thought must always create fear.
 

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I'm not the one posting crap philosophy and double-talk page after page after page...

I'm not the one seeking "power" and attempting to "influence" anyone.

That would be you.
 

Dexter Sinister

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You cannot be frightened of the unknown because you do not know what the unknown is and so there is nothing to be frightened of. Death is a word, and it is the word, the image, that creates fear. So can you look at death without the image of death? As long as the image exists from which springs thought, thought must always create fear.
That makes no sense to me at all. Fear is rooted in not knowing. The unknown is frightening precisely because it's unknown, you don't know what's coming or what to expect or how to deal with it. Death is indeed a word, but it's also a lot more than that. It's an idea, it's also a fact we're all going to face sooner or later, and humans, alone among all the creatures on the planet as far as we can tell, know that.