Nationalize Canadian oil reserves!!!!

[gerryh]

Hey Zoofer you are such a heartless fellow, I live in BC and Alberta is eating my fish the barter system worked for centuries in the past but my dear friend there is a lesson to be learned here.

Riiiight...we get farmed atlantic....some sockeye and frozen chum....and we pay through the nose for it. No screamin deal from the BC fishers.


I personally, wait till the salmon are runnin, then go visit family we have on the res in fort Langley and pick up 10 or so.

 

[Lester]

Socrates, we are a country of law.....the basic law is the Constitution.....which can only be chanmged with the agreement of the provinces.

Natural resources are a provincial matter.

The provinces will NOT surrender their right to their resources.

Therefore what you ask is impossible.

Full stop.

Might as well wish the sun not come up tomorrow.

Why not provincialize them, toss out the oil companies and each province buy out the production facilities. Ottawa still gets their cut and the Provinves revenues go up drastically, Now we can afford a nice subsidy for Canadians and still export to the USA at full market value.

 

[Risus]

No, I want the Government to stop buying oil from OPEC and turn to the oil producing provinces Alberta and Nova Scotia and seriously negotiate the energy below Canadian soil.

To explore the possibilities before us it will take a courages Government not a Government who will do nothing to help gas stabilize in cost per litter so they can collect $100,000,000 every time gas goes up by $.010 cents.

Once again you don't understand how things work....

 

[Walter]

Government who will do nothing to help gas stabilize in cost per litter so they can collect $100,000,000 every time gas goes up by $.010 cents.

It's actually $10,000,000 per $0.01.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

It's actually $10,000,000 per $0.01.

Hey Walter I think your math on the above may be off.
Here is why I think that the dirty Conservative hands are on this one. In order to create oil shortages in the oil markets one way to do it is by ensuring domestic oil supplies can never be used. This will force us to get oil from the least stable spots in the world, thus forcing not only higher prices, but forcing us to fund people intent on destroying us. Regulate domestic suppliers out of business with NIMBY, and enviro-whackjob policy, and regulations and of course, the great leveler, taxes. Make sure that no new refineries are built over a period 30 years, to meet the need. Mandate that everyone buys only governmentally mandated formulations of gasoline, thus creating shortages of the ingredients. So Walter the losers in Ottawa are nothing but dirt bags or scum bags if you like and they are causing hardship to Canadians. In England the gas is @ $2.00 a litter $1.50 of that is tax, and the trucking industry last Friday shut down the busiest section of London in protest.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Once again you don't understand how things work....

Ye vote Con and I am sure you know how things work.:roll::roll::roll:

 

[TenPenny]

Colpy, I am sure you are correct on the Provincial aspect of resource ownership, however I look at the scenario were it will be unsustainable to see gas prices reach $2, 00 per litter with out hurting a big segment of the Canadian working class. Talking about a nail in the coffin of the economy the $2.00 per litter will be it.
So, in such circumstance is Alberta and Nova Scotia going to be happy with such horrible outcome facing the rest of the country?

There is no need to nationalize oil reserves. There is no oil crisis, there is simply a lack of desire on the part of people to pay the going rate for refined oil and gas.

Here's a suggestion: if you don't like the price of something, stop using it. Your continued use of 'Alberta and Nova Scotia' shows that you don't even understand the subject you're raving about.

 

[Risus]

Ye vote Con and I am sure you know how things work.:roll::roll::roll:

The conservatives have nothing to do with the price of gas. Give it a rest....

 

[Trex]

Canadians should rise and fight to nationalize all Canadian oil reserves.
We should not be taken hostage against a commodity that runs abundantly under Canadian soil. The oil under Canadian soil belongs to Canada, not to Alberta not to Nova Scotia not any one in specific except Canada.

What a great idea.
Of course we will also need to nationalize all Ontario's Hydro and Nuclear generating facilities.
Lots of mines in northern Ontario better get them too.
Massive infrastructure in the Great Lakes concerning marine shipping, better scoop that.
And what about all those automobile plants...hey lets nationalize them.
Moving a little further east I have heard Quebec has massive hydroelectric generating capacity.
Seems greedy not to share that energy with the rest of Canada....better nationalize it.

In no time at all we should be able to create a true workers paradise just like Myanmar .

 

[Socrates the Greek]

There is no need to nationalize oil reserves. There is no oil crisis, there is simply a lack of desire on the part of people to pay the going rate for refined oil and gas.

Here's a suggestion: if you don't like the price of something, stop using it. Your continued use of 'Alberta and Nova Scotia' shows that you don't even understand the subject you're raving about.

The Reason I turned to Alberta and Nova Scotia is because it is common knowledge that North America would rather use foreign oil than our own. Now here is a serious problem that needs to be dealt with at the federal Government level. The futures traders should be regulated and should not be allowed to buy huge blocks of this commodity. When you look at this reality below we see that a hand full of greedy f uckers are f ucking the majority of Canadians and it is fact that out of every $1,38.9 per litter of gas the feds realize $.80 cents goes to the Feds.

 

[Tonington]

out of every $1,38.9 per litter of gas the feds realize $.80 cents goes to the Feds.

That's not true at all.

As of January 2008, this is where the costs were coming from:

Probably the only taxes that have changed are the taxes in BC.

The question is, what do you think the government should do about it? I say nothing. What can they do about it? Next to nothing without putting all of us on rations. The Soviet style doesn't really entice me all that much, and it's not really any better if they have to raise income taxes to offset gasoline prices.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

That's not true at all.

As of January 2008, this is where the costs were coming from:

Probably the only taxes that have changed are the taxes in BC.

The question is, what do you think the government should do about it? I say nothing. What can they do about it? Next to nothing without putting all of us on rations. The Soviet style doesn't really entice me all that much, and it's not really any better if they have to raise income taxes to offset gasoline prices.

The problem is not a lack of crude oil supply. In fact the world is in over-supply now. Yet the price climbs relentlessly higher. Why? The answer lies in what are clearly deliberate US government policies that permit the unbridled oil price manipulations.

 

[Risus]

The problem is not a lack of crude oil supply. In fact the world is in over-supply now. Yet the price climbs relentlessly higher. Why? The answer lies in what are clearly deliberate US government policies that permit the unbridled oil price manipulations.

Oh, so now its the US Government's fault and not the conservatives...
Make up your mind, lol!

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Oh, so now its the US Government's fault and not the conservatives...
Make up your mind, lol!

The US Government are a bunch of bible thumping CONS the same s t defrent smell.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Tax Components of Gasoline at $1 per Litre
Province​

Provincial Excise Tax (Flat Rate)
Provincial Sales Tax1
Federal Excise Tax (Flat Rate)
Total GST
GST "Tax on Tax" (Included in Total GST)
Total Tax Component

N.L.​

16.5
7.5
10
6.5
1.86
40.5​

P.E.I.2​

21.3
N.A.
10
6.9
2.19
38.2​

Nova Scotia​

15.5
7.4
10
6.5
1.79
39.4​

New Brunswick​

14.5
7.3
10
6.4
1.72
38.2​

Quebec​

15.2
7.4
10
6.5
1.76
39.1​

Montréal​

​

16.7
7.5
10
6.6
1.87
40.8​

Ontario​

14.7
N.A.
10
6.4
1.73
31.1​

Manitoba​

11.5
N.A.
10
6.2
1.51
27.7​

Saskatchewan​

15
N.A.
10
6.4
1.75
31.4​

Alberta​

9
N.A.
10
6.0
1.33
25.0​

B.C.​

14.5
N.A.
10
6.4
1.72
30.9​

Vancouver​

​

20.5
N.A.
10
6.8
2.14
37.3​

Victoria​

​

17
N.A.
10
6.6
1.89
33.6​

Yukon​

6.2
N.A.
10
5.8
1.13
22.0​

N.W.T.​

10.7
N.A.
10
6.1
1.45
26.8​

Nunavut​

10.7
N.A.
10
6.1
1.45
26.8​

Canada Avg.​

​

14.5
2.2
10
6.5
1.72
33.2​

 

[Socrates the Greek]

The problem is not a lack of crude oil supply. In fact the world is in over-supply now. Yet the price climbs relentlessly higher. Why? The answer lies in what are clearly deliberate US government policies that permit the unbridled oil price manipulations.

Tax Components of Gasoline at $1 per Litre
Province​

Provincial Excise Tax (Flat Rate)
Provincial Sales Tax1
Federal Excise Tax (Flat Rate)
Total GST
GST "Tax on Tax" (Included in Total GST)
Total Tax Component

N.L.​

16.5
7.5
10
6.5
1.86
40.5​

P.E.I.2​

21.3
N.A.
10
6.9
2.19
38.2​

Nova Scotia​

15.5
7.4
10
6.5
1.79
39.4​

New Brunswick​

14.5
7.3
10
6.4
1.72
38.2​

Quebec​

15.2
7.4
10
6.5
1.76
39.1​

Montréal​

​

16.7
7.5
10
6.6
1.87
40.8​

Ontario​

14.7
N.A.
10
6.4
1.73
31.1​

Manitoba​

11.5
N.A.
10
6.2
1.51
27.7​

Saskatchewan​

15
N.A.
10
6.4
1.75
31.4​

Alberta​

9
N.A.
10
6.0
1.33
25.0​

B.C.​

14.5
N.A.
10
6.4
1.72
30.9​

Vancouver​

​

20.5
N.A.
10
6.8
2.14
37.3​

Victoria​

​

17
N.A.
10
6.6
1.89
33.6​

Yukon​

6.2
N.A.
10
5.8
1.13
22.0​

N.W.T.​

10.7
N.A.
10
6.1
1.45
26.8​

Nunavut​

10.7
N.A.
10
6.1
1.45
26.8​

Canada Avg.​

​

14.5
2.2
10
6.5
1.72
33.2​

 

[Risus]

The US Government are a bunch of bible thumping CONS the same s t defrent smell.

LOL, now we all know you don't have a clue....

 

[Walter]

Hey Walter I think your math on the above may be off.

Additional Canadian Gas Facts:

• The federal government collects billions of dollars each year from gas and diesel excise taxes. In the 2007-08 fiscal year, Ottawa collected $5-billion in gasoline and diesel taxes (not counting GST revenues). In fiscal 2004, Ottawa reinvested only 7 per cent of its gas tax revenues into roads. In 2007-08, the federal government will dedicate $1.8-billion to roads and highways. This represents 36 per cent of annual gas tax revenues. The same amount – 37 per cent – will be spent this year. By 2009-10, over $2.6-billion is budgeted for road infrastructure, which exceeds the 50 per cent of gas tax revenue target first advocated by the CTF in 2002. This turnabout is a partial victory for taxpaying motorists. To complete it, gas taxes need to be lower.
• GST is charged on the full pump price, gasoline taxes included. It is a tax-on-tax. In 2008-09, the federal government will collect $1.1-billion in gasoline GST revenues. Last year, Ottawa collected $1.25-billion from GST on gasoline, eased only by the reduction of GST to 5 percent.
• The federal government benefits from higher gas prices. Each 10 cent increase in the price of gasoline raises Ottawa’s GST revenues by $100-million.
  
  
• As a deficit reduction measure in 1995, Ottawa increased the federal gasoline tax from 8.5 to 10 cents per litre. Yet, even though budgets have been balanced since fiscal 1997/98, Ottawa has collected $6-billion from its so-called “deficit elimination tax.” In 1985, the excise tax was just 1.5 cents per litre.
• In opposition, the Conservatives made repeated promises to remove the GST tax-on-tax bite and pledged to remove the GST completely when gasoline prices exceeded 85 cents per litre. In the summer of 2005, Mr. Harper was quoted saying that gas taxes could be reduced by as much as 5 cents a litre.
• Three Conservative budgets have failed to lower gas taxes although roadway spending is substantially increased.

Socrates, your math ability equals your spelling ability.

 

[MikeyDB]

Colpy's right....

So long as the merchants and the traders run the governments of provinces they will act to secure their "products" and "resources". To the mercantile mind there is no Canada...well there's the "Canada" that allows them to charge more for the same product and resources as our neighbors to the south...but there is no "Canada" in a patriotic nationalistic sense. Since GATT and NAFTA the world has been moved to think about resources as fixed to a location...an appendage of a national system of economics and at the same time, money traders and commodity houses have been tearing down the figuarative "borders" that limit the control of the wealthy to only those products and resources found in one geographical locale. The wealthy don't want a world that regards oil as "necessity", in terms of the control of wealth, so long as you can manipulate courts and markets through legal machinations like NAFTA and "trade agreements", control of resources will remain with either the wealthy or those prepared to send kids to die to take what's needed from some country that's opposed to surrendering its future to American commercial interests....

Canada is bought and sold...and has been for generations. You silly people think you have a "vote"...that Colpy's fine sentiment of a "nation of laws" means anything!.... When it comes to the wealthy assuring their wealth and protecting the future of their children's wealth....well you can even start wars based on lies and exaggerations to keep the tills humming.....

We created this mess.....now live with it.

 

[MikeyDB]

What did the Canadian government do when the Untied States imposed tariffs beyond those outlined by NAFTA.....

Colpy's "laws" are points of convenience....one needs a phrase or two with a smattering of Latin and legalese to give the appearance of "considered judgment"...but in the end, writing down a statement of principles then changing them whenever the situation "demands" is common practice. It's happened with the natives in North America since before the ink was dry on treaties and "agreements" signed by Canadian and British "governments" and the native people..... The whole world gets together and decides tha the price of peace is a building in New York where rational conversation and considered perspectives will guide the dynamics of mankind....and the United States and Israel have demonstrated repeatedly that they have little use for ratifications and resolutions that fail in their opinion to meet their percived "needs".....hell when the U.N. didn't endorse the invasion of Iraq America went ahead with it anyway..... this is Colpy's "laws".....