Here is an article as well as a video of an interview with Mr. Bush on his Middle East solution.
Don't miss it!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7397400.stm
Don't miss it!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7397400.stm
BUSH on Lebanon/ Middle East - interview
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Anybody know who will be in that delegation that is to arrive on Wednesday? I guess I was expecting a little much if I thought he would stick to mentioning just the two major parties involved. Who are the majority of 'normal people' supporting?
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It's a bit surprising that the Prez is elected by MP's, rather than 'the people'. I have no idea if a 'Maronite Christian' has views that tend to support the 2 Laws alone. I'm not sure if having the Opposition (Hezbollah) delay that aspect of their Politics unless the Majority was going to vote in somebody who was obviously slanted towards any certain policies (foreign or domestic).
Having a Sunni Muslim prime minister, and a Shiite Muslim speaker of the Parliament would seem to assure that 'most people' have a representative at the table.
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It's a bit surprising that the Prez is elected by MP's, rather than 'the people'. I have no idea if a 'Maronite Christian' has views that tend to support the 2 Laws alone. I'm not sure if having the Opposition (Hezbollah) delay that aspect of their Politics unless the Majority was going to vote in somebody who was obviously slanted towards any certain policies (foreign or domestic).
Having a Sunni Muslim prime minister, and a Shiite Muslim speaker of the Parliament would seem to assure that 'most people' have a representative at the table.
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MHz, I don't know exactly who will arrive there on Wednesday... it's representatives of the Arab League, as far as I know.
I have another article here which gives a few more clues as to who the ruling government is. It's a coalition of pro-western factions, backed by the US, I read. The Hezbollah holds only 14 seats of the 128 altogether. Yet, they do a lot of social work, like building hospitals and do reconstruction work. They are not against their own people, as Papa Bush is telling the world!
Here is the article:
excerpt: The coalition of pro-Western Christian, Sunni and Druze politicians under the so-called March 14 banner has embarked on an effort to draw international backers into the conflict, said coalition leaders and Western diplomats. They fear Hezbollah is trying to use its military strength to cow the government into submitting to its demands, which include noninterference with the militia's drive to build up its arsenal in order to confront Israel.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,3682804.story
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In 2006 the Hezbollahs fought back the Israelis. They were lucky then, but IF Israel comes back again, they might not be lucky a second time. I think they just want to prepare themselves for the next attack from Israel, but the Pro-Western government is not happy that they stockpile ammunition for that event, and has taken measures to antagonize them, and now call for international attention and help, especially from the US. As we heard Bush say, he is going to provide the Lebanese army with proper weapons, so they can defend themselves against the terrorist Hezbollah. Only Canada, the US, Briton and Australia have labeled the Hezbollah a terrorist group. Yes, CANADA!! We too are meddlers! We should rather shut up and mind our own business!
In my humble opinion, this scenario could very well have been instigated by the secret Western powers to have another reason to blame Iran and Syria for the unrest in the Middle East, and measures have to be taken to subdue them, possibly with another round of sanctions, for starters. The big gain is that America has a very legitimate reason to set Lebanon up with the latest kind and sufficient amount of weapons to fight a good war against the Hezbollah.
I wonder if you can smell the rat that I smell? America is preparing to strike!
I guess we have to wait and see.
I have another article here which gives a few more clues as to who the ruling government is. It's a coalition of pro-western factions, backed by the US, I read. The Hezbollah holds only 14 seats of the 128 altogether. Yet, they do a lot of social work, like building hospitals and do reconstruction work. They are not against their own people, as Papa Bush is telling the world!
Here is the article:
excerpt: The coalition of pro-Western Christian, Sunni and Druze politicians under the so-called March 14 banner has embarked on an effort to draw international backers into the conflict, said coalition leaders and Western diplomats. They fear Hezbollah is trying to use its military strength to cow the government into submitting to its demands, which include noninterference with the militia's drive to build up its arsenal in order to confront Israel.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,3682804.story
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In 2006 the Hezbollahs fought back the Israelis. They were lucky then, but IF Israel comes back again, they might not be lucky a second time. I think they just want to prepare themselves for the next attack from Israel, but the Pro-Western government is not happy that they stockpile ammunition for that event, and has taken measures to antagonize them, and now call for international attention and help, especially from the US. As we heard Bush say, he is going to provide the Lebanese army with proper weapons, so they can defend themselves against the terrorist Hezbollah. Only Canada, the US, Briton and Australia have labeled the Hezbollah a terrorist group. Yes, CANADA!! We too are meddlers! We should rather shut up and mind our own business!
In my humble opinion, this scenario could very well have been instigated by the secret Western powers to have another reason to blame Iran and Syria for the unrest in the Middle East, and measures have to be taken to subdue them, possibly with another round of sanctions, for starters. The big gain is that America has a very legitimate reason to set Lebanon up with the latest kind and sufficient amount of weapons to fight a good war against the Hezbollah.
I wonder if you can smell the rat that I smell? America is preparing to strike!
I guess we have to wait and see.
Your article seems to point to the Gov being the 'instigator'.
"The offensive was sparked when the government decided to fire the pro-Hezbollah head of security at the country's international airport and shut down the group's secure phone network."
One would have to expect to get shot back at if you open fire on somebody who is known to be armed. Nor was the Gov able to withstand the return fire, they lost ground.
The US has shown that their preferred method of war is to disarm the intended target as much as possible before any actual assault. The IDF knows they can't win a ground war, their method is to destroy the infrastructure in the hopes that the civilians (the ones targeted by such actions) will revolt, that hope has so-far backfired every time.
The fact that the US can and does supply many arms to the ME kind of makes their argument that 'other Nations' shouldn't do that more than just a bit fuked-up from any angle you look at it.
If Iran persuades Hezbollah to pull back (while getting their phones back) the US and Israel would still claim 'See, they do control them'. Iran could already be 'holding talks' with the aim of stopping the actual battles.
"The offensive was sparked when the government decided to fire the pro-Hezbollah head of security at the country's international airport and shut down the group's secure phone network."
One would have to expect to get shot back at if you open fire on somebody who is known to be armed. Nor was the Gov able to withstand the return fire, they lost ground.
The US has shown that their preferred method of war is to disarm the intended target as much as possible before any actual assault. The IDF knows they can't win a ground war, their method is to destroy the infrastructure in the hopes that the civilians (the ones targeted by such actions) will revolt, that hope has so-far backfired every time.
The fact that the US can and does supply many arms to the ME kind of makes their argument that 'other Nations' shouldn't do that more than just a bit fuked-up from any angle you look at it.
If Iran persuades Hezbollah to pull back (while getting their phones back) the US and Israel would still claim 'See, they do control them'. Iran could already be 'holding talks' with the aim of stopping the actual battles.
Arabs push for Lebanon dialogue
The Arab League has sent a delegation to Lebanon to mediate between warring supporters and opponents of the pro-western government.
The delegation, led by Qatar's PM with eight foreign ministers, is holding separate talks with each side.
The blockade of Beirut international airport, by the opposition movement Hezbollah, was partially lifted to allow the mediators to pass through.
The situation is currently reported generally calm.
The BBC's Jim Muir in Beirut says, unless something goes wrong, the plan is for the government to hold a cabinet meeting on Wednesday evening to announce that it is annulling two controversial decisions it made early last week, which triggered the onslaught from Hezbollah.
The opposition would then reopen all roads, including the airport highway.
Then the two sides would enter a dialogue on the issues dividing them, although our correspondent says it is not yet clear where those talks will be held and who will chair them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7400342.stm
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That is super! After all, the Hezbollah holds democratically voted-in seats in the government. Hezbollah has at least twice fought off Israel. They are standing up for their country! They are opposed to Western "colonialism"!
I don't think they are a bad force... they just don't want to have their country run by the Bush junta.
It is almost the same situation as with the Hamas in Palestine, except they are worse off.
Correct me, IF I'm wrong!;-)
The Arab League has sent a delegation to Lebanon to mediate between warring supporters and opponents of the pro-western government.
The delegation, led by Qatar's PM with eight foreign ministers, is holding separate talks with each side.
The blockade of Beirut international airport, by the opposition movement Hezbollah, was partially lifted to allow the mediators to pass through.
The situation is currently reported generally calm.
The BBC's Jim Muir in Beirut says, unless something goes wrong, the plan is for the government to hold a cabinet meeting on Wednesday evening to announce that it is annulling two controversial decisions it made early last week, which triggered the onslaught from Hezbollah.
The opposition would then reopen all roads, including the airport highway.
Then the two sides would enter a dialogue on the issues dividing them, although our correspondent says it is not yet clear where those talks will be held and who will chair them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7400342.stm
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That is super! After all, the Hezbollah holds democratically voted-in seats in the government. Hezbollah has at least twice fought off Israel. They are standing up for their country! They are opposed to Western "colonialism"!
I don't think they are a bad force... they just don't want to have their country run by the Bush junta.
It is almost the same situation as with the Hamas in Palestine, except they are worse off.
Correct me, IF I'm wrong!;-)
Hezbollahs only crime is it's power to unify the Lebanese people and that power of unification is what the wealthy banking scum fear the most. Soon it will happen in Canada, the citizens will retake political power from the wealthy and corporate supremacy will be crushed.
Yes, that is my suspicion.
Iraq is s classic example of that tactic.
Like the US, they have the means to do that. The US has made sure the Israeli air force is well equipped.
Damn right! Whoever has the power dictates the rules of conduct. "Do as I say, not as I do!"
Good point! One I hadn't thought of. Iran is the main thorn in Bush's eye. The ultimate aim is to neuter Ahmadineshad!!!! To make a "Yes, Sir!" servant out of him and his country. But meanwhile it is not considered a loss of aim to nibble away on the smaller, much less powerful countries, either by democratizing them or rendering them impotent through dependence on Western aid.
Sorry, MegaHerz;-), for almost overlooking your last post. At least I caught it this morning.
I have to admit that 'meddling' seems to just fine for one group but condemned if anybody else speaks out or supplies material things.
Do you really think that could happen? Put all the ATM's out of order (done in about 3 seconds) and nobody is going anywhere.
Do you really think that could happen? Put all the ATM's out of order (done in about 3 seconds) and nobody is going anywhere.
Wouldn't more info on this tid-bit make for interesting reading?
http://translate.google.com/transla...n&u=http://islammemo.cc/2008/05/09/63547.html
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[FONT="]"Iranian plane landing at the airport suddenly[/FONT]
[FONT="]When that delagation arrived (today) things were already a lot 'calmer'.
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http://translate.google.com/transla...n&u=http://islammemo.cc/2008/05/09/63547.html
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[FONT="]"Iranian plane landing at the airport suddenly[/FONT]
[FONT="]وعلى صعيد آخر قالت صحيفة الأهرام المصرية إن طائرة إيرانية هبطت فجر أمس في مطار بيروت, بشكل مفاجئ.[/FONT]
[FONT="]On the other hand, the Egyptian Al-Ahram newspaper said that an Iranian plane landed at dawn yesterday at Beirut airport, abruptly.[/FONT] [FONT="]وأوضحت الصحيفة في عددها الصادر اليوم الجمعة أن أنصار حزب الله قاموا بتسهيل خروج الركاب ونقلهم إلى الضاحية الجنوبية دون أن يعلم أحد من هم وماذا يحملون.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The newspaper in its issue today, Friday, that supporters of Hezbollah have facilitated exit of passengers and transported to the southern suburb without one will know who and what bearing.[/FONT] [FONT="]وأشارت الصحيفة إلى أن مصر وافقت على الدعوة لعقد اجتماع عاجل لوزراء الخارجية العرب لمناقشة الوضع المتدهور في لبنان.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The paper said Egypt has agreed to call for an urgent meeting of Arab foreign ministers to discuss the deteriorating situation in Lebanon."[/FONT][FONT="]When that delagation arrived (today) things were already a lot 'calmer'.
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Imagine the chaos of inoperative ATM's. And that's just one of the hundreds of delicate situations that our culture rests on. Just remove one item of food or fuel from the matrix and whatch the problem snowball into crisis. This is also an indication of how phoney the manufactured terrorism crisis really is, if just the chicken production we're sabotaged in N America the commercial carnage would be enormous and to infect those herds and flocks would be very easy and very destructive. So why hasn't it happened? Either we have very incompetant international terrorists or we have a staged holly-wood production.
Good Morning, Beaver!!
Bright eyes and bushy tail??:lol:
You know, I keep staring at your latest picture... and I miss my beloved cauliflowerhead!!!;-);-)
Alright, the bankers, or plain and simple... the CAPITAL!
My daughter and I had a little conversation a short while ago about just that topic. We questioned ourselves how we would behave, if we had money, power and position. Would we keep our employees on a short rope? Would we exploit the poor, talk down to them? NO, we wouldn't! Never!
BUT, if we had been born into and raised in wealth and power positions, how would we react then, once grown-ups? Hard to say. Traditions, customs, way of life, conditioning, expectations,... not necessarily in that order, but those influences would be hard to resist.
A rich man once came to Christ and asked him what he should do to get into heaven. And Christ said, give away all your wealth and follow me. The rich man slunk away!
See, how hard it is to part from ones possessions?
Dearest Beaver, you hope and think the people of Canada will one day unite and take the power away from the Capitalists? Think again!! Give me an example where on earth this has been done and worked. Any system is made up of all kinds of PEOPLE. And people are frail, feeble and weak... they give in to the temptations of Ariman and Lucifer.
We do need a banking system, but we don't need greedy, fat bankers!
Lebanon revokes Hezbollah curbs
The Lebanese government has cancelled measures against the Shia movement Hezbollah, that triggered six days of clashes between political factions.
The government move comes as an Arab League delegation attempts to mediate.
Both sides are also expected to enter immediate dialogue on three outstanding issues - the election of a new president, the formation of a national unity government, and the reform of election law.
But our correspondent in Beirut says many Lebanese remain fearful that trouble could break out again at any moment if a solid political accommodation is not reached.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7400342.stm
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Too bad 60 people got killed, but it would have been much worse, if the US had gotten in with their weapons delivery to the Lebanon army...as bush had said he would .
The Lebanese government has cancelled measures against the Shia movement Hezbollah, that triggered six days of clashes between political factions.
The government move comes as an Arab League delegation attempts to mediate.
Both sides are also expected to enter immediate dialogue on three outstanding issues - the election of a new president, the formation of a national unity government, and the reform of election law.
But our correspondent in Beirut says many Lebanese remain fearful that trouble could break out again at any moment if a solid political accommodation is not reached.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7400342.stm
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Too bad 60 people got killed, but it would have been much worse, if the US had gotten in with their weapons delivery to the Lebanon army...as bush had said he would .
Wasn't one of Bush's 'solution' to disarm Hezbollah? I don't see that as a condition in the above
He just repeats what he told to, you don't really expect any change in foreign policy when he leaves do you?
Okay, was I close enough? The disarming wasn't one of the 3 things listed. There hasn't been a lot of conflict (gunfire) between the two parties and in all seriousness both parties better remain well armed. I would hope they would 'unite' in the face of a larger threat. How did they react when Israel was bombing them, did they fight each other?