Does the rain come down from the cloud?

[eanassir]

I should also add that not all clouds are made of snow, some are simly small rain droplets.

The interpreter said the snow scattered in the high parts of the atmosphere; he may have meant the cirrus clouds (which are constituted of ice crystals) and the alto or middle clouds (that are constitued of ice crystals and water droplets).
Then another cloud and hot wind come under that snow which will lead to the melting of that snow, which in turn will lead to more coalescence of water droplets causing the formation of large drops and the falling of rain.

The rain​

Moreover, they say that the high cirrus clouds contain ice only, and that it does not usually rain, then where will such cloud go? Then it will accumulate and increase day by day until all the atmosphere will be surrounded by a very thick ice cloud; because they say it will not cause the rain fall!​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.741.com​

 

[hermanntrude]

Moreover, they say that the high cirrus clouds contain ice only, and that it does not usually rain, then where will such cloud go? Then it will accumulate and increase day by day until all the atmosphere will be surrounded by a very thick ice cloud; because they say it will not cause the rain fall!


eanassir
http://universeandquran.741.com​

clouds can form and un-form too. if the pressure drops, so does the amount of water vapour which the air can hold. if the pressure rises, condensed droplets, or ice crystals can become re-vapourized. if an ice crystal gets large it will fall and melt, becoming part of a lower cloud system, which can then rain when the droplets become large enough.

 

[L Gilbert]

Eanassir, you are hilarious. Unfortunately, you are also in need of some basic understanding of both nature and the science of nature. Or, on the other hand, if you wish to remain ignorant of what goes on around you, at least quit trying to explain science with religious dogma.

 

[eanassir]

clouds can form and un-form too. if the pressure drops, so does the amount of water vapour which the air can hold. if the pressure rises, condensed droplets, or ice crystals can become re-vapourized. if an ice crystal gets large it will fall and melt, becoming part of a lower cloud system, which can then rain when the droplets become large enough.

It could be, but do you think that such tremendous cirrus cloud (although it may appear small; from the space , they saw it very extensive); do you think it will vanish as such?

Moreover, the new cloud and the hot wind will come under that snow; so it will lead to melting it, and this by turn will lead to more coalescence of more water droplets causing the precipitation of large rain drops.

But if the hot wind had come above the snow, it would not have molten that snow.

While as regards the effect of the pressure on the formation of the cloud; it could be. There is one aya of the Quran 78: 14, which is ambiguous:​

وَأَنزَلْنَا مِنَ الْمُعْصِرَاتِ مَاء ثَجَّاجًا​

The explanation: (And [We] sent down from the cloud profuse [rain] water?)
Here the word الْمُعْصِرَاتِ may indicate such meaning as: "the squeezing", "the squeezers" or "the squeezed" or "the cloud formed by the storms"; it is one of the ambiguous ayat of the Quran; the interpreter said: "the cloud"; it means he could not reach to a clear meaning. God knows best. And He explained that the rain coming from such cloud will be profuse.

The rain

The snow



eanassir
http://universeandquran.741.com
​

 

[eanassir]

I am not an evil person just somebody who likes to know the truth

No one can assign himself a judge to judge people: this is evil and this is good; this is up to God alone.

But in the Quran, God misguides the wrong-doers: the one that wrongs people and transgress on them specially the orphan and the needy.

This is in a large number of Quranic revelations, like this in the Quran 107: 1-3​

أَرَأَيْتَ الَّذِي يُكَذِّبُ بِالدِّينِ . فَذَلِكَ الَّذِي يَدُعُّ الْيَتِيمَ . وَلَا يَحُضُّ عَلَى طَعَامِ الْمِسْكِينِ​

The explanation:
(Have you considered him who denies 'the punishment and the reward' [in the Hereafter.]

It is he who thrusts the orphan [away from his rights.]

And never urges [people] to feed the needy.)​

 

[eanassir]

Eanassir, you are hilarious. Unfortunately, you are also in need of some basic understanding of both nature and the science of nature. Or, on the other hand, if you wish to remain ignorant of what goes on around you, at least quit trying to explain science with religious dogma.

The Quran is different from the other heavenly books​

The Quran, being the last heavenly revealed book, includes a large number of ayat or Quranic revelations that pertain to nature, universe and science. ​

These "science and nature" ayat are peculiar to the Quran rather than the other heavenly books like the Torah and the Gospel; i.e. the Quran includes far more "science and nature" ayat than in the other books.
The miracle of Prophet Mohammed is not like the material miracles of the rest of the prophets, which ended by the ending of their time; but the miracle of Prophet Mohammed was a scientific one which is the Quran, and this miracle will last to the end of the Time.​

E.g. His saying –be highly exalted – in the Quran, 11: 48; telling the story of Noah:

قِيلَ يَا نُوحُ اهْبِطْ بِسَلاَمٍ مِّنَّا وَبَركَاتٍ عَلَيْكَ وَعَلَى أُمَمٍ مِّمَّن مَّعَكَ وَأُمَمٌ سَنُمَتِّعُهُمْ ثُمَّ يَمَسُّهُم مِّنَّا عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ​

The explanation: ( It was said, ‘O Noah,

descend [from the mountain on which the Ark rested] in safety [granted by Us] and blessings from Us on you and [some] nations of those [of the black and yellow races] who are with you [in the Ark,]

but [some other] nations [in other countries of the earth that the deluge did not reach, because the deluge was confined to one country: Iraq] We shall allow them to enjoy prosperity [with wealth and children in the life of the World],

and then there will touch them, from Us, a painful torment [according to their disbelief and association with God.] )

See A. J. Arberry: The Koran interpreted; (although such translation of the meaning is much defective.)
http://arthurwendover.com/arthurs/koran/koran-arberry10.html
(you can download it here easily)​

And see the three books at our websites, which are an introduction to the interpretation of the Quran; and see, there, the large number of ayat of the Quran that pertain to science.​

http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
http://man-after-death.site.io
http://universeandquran.741.com​

 

[Lester]

No one can assign himself a judge to judge people: this is evil and this is good; this is up to God alone.​

But in the Quran, God misguides the wrong-doers: the one that wrongs people and transgress on them specially the orphan and the needy.​

This is in a large number of Quranic revelations, like this in the Quran 107: 1-3​

أَرَأَيْتَ الَّذِي يُكَذِّبُ بِالدِّينِ . فَذَلِكَ الَّذِي يَدُعُّ الْيَتِيمَ . وَلَا يَحُضُّ عَلَى طَعَامِ الْمِسْكِينِ​

The explanation:
(Have you considered him who denies 'the punishment and the reward' [in the Hereafter.]​

It is he who thrusts the orphan [away from his rights.]​

And never urges [people] to feed the needy.)​

Now a few post ago you called me evil, is that not judging- practice what you preach

 

[eanassir]

Now a few post ago you called me evil, is that not judging- practice what you preach

I didn't say that about you.

But in the Quran there are many Quranic revelations which describe believers that they are the best among mankind, and the disbelievers are the worst among mankind.

As in the Quran 98: 6-7​

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ وَالْمُشْرِكِينَ فِي نَارِ جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أُوْلَئِكَ هُمْ شَرُّ الْبَرِيَّةِ . إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمْ خَيْرُ الْبَرِيَّةِ​

The explanation:
(Surely, those who unbelieve, among the people of the Bible [lit. Scripture] and [among] the associaters, shall be in the fire of Hell to dwell therein forever; they are the worst of [all] people.

Surely, those who believe and work righteous [deeds]; they are the best of [all] people.)​

 

[Lester]

Moses, Jesus and Mohammed were true prophets of God; while you are a liar; you may be a prophet of the Devil, and you prophesied a lie. God has not sent you, but Satan suggested to you, and you are his servant.​

This is in the Quran 80: 40-42​

وَوُجُوهٌ يَوْمَئِذٍ عَلَيْهَا غَبَرَةٌ . تَرْهَقُهَا قَتَرَةٌ . أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْكَفَرَةُ الْفَجَرَةُ​

The explanation:
(And some faces, on that day, shall be covered with blackness and depression.​

Overburdened with straitened livelihood [of the after-death world.] ​

Such are the unbelievers, the evil-doers.)​

It's right here and black and white- who's the liar now:roll:

 

[eanassir]

It's right here and black and white- who's the liar now:roll:

Lester, you want only to wrangle; you said that you are a prophet of God, and I said you tell a lie; that's all.

 

[Lester]

Lester, you want only to wrangle; you said that you are a prophet of God, and I said you tell a lie; that's all.

You said I was a prophet of the devil- would not a prophet of the devil be evil? caught you in another lie.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Such cumulonimbus extends usually from the low to the high altitudes; it causes melting of that snow, which will appear as if the rain comes from the cloud itself; while in fact it come from its midst and through it.

Typical. Even presented with an unambiguous photograph of rain falling out of the bottom of a cloud, you deny the plain evidence of your senses and fall back on the erroneous claims of your religious manual, or some ignorant fool's interpretation of them. You're hopeless, beyond reason or evidence. You still haven't grasped even the elementary fact that the moon is rotating, which is about as lame as not understanding that the earth is rotating. You don't understand any more of the natural world than did the people who wrote down your "glorious" Quran 1400 years ago. I've read several versions of the Quran, in English of course, I can't read Arabic, and it strikes me as remarkably badly written, disjointed, inconsistent, and silly. No doubt you'd tell me the only authoritative text is the Arabic one; maybe so, but unless you have an intimate knowledge and understanding of 7th century Arabic, you haven't really read the authoritative text either.

 

[Lester]

<snicker>

 

[eanassir]

I've read several versions of the Quran, in English of course

Then haven't you read this Quranic revelation 47: 16​

وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَسْتَمِعُ إِلَيْكَ حَتَّى إِذَا خَرَجُوا مِنْ عِندِكَ قَالُوا لِلَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْعِلْمَ مَاذَا قَالَ آنِفًا أُوْلَئِكَ الَّذِينَ طَبَعَ اللَّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ وَاتَّبَعُوا أَهْوَاءهُمْ​

The explanation:
(Some of them listen to you [Mohammed], then when they [: the listeners and the writers of the Quran] go out from you[r meeting],

they [: the listeners] say to those [writers] having knowledge: "What is it that he [: Mohammed] has just said!?"

On the hearts of such [men] God has stamped [with the 'Rayn', which is like the rust that is on the iron], and they follow their vain desires.)

And this aya of the Quran 10: 42​

وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَسْتَمِعُونَ إِلَيْكَ أَفَأَنتَ تُسْمِعُ الصُّمَّ وَلَوْ كَانُواْ لاَ يَعْقِلُونَ . وَمِنهُم مَّن يَنظُرُ إِلَيْكَ أَفَأَنتَ تَهْدِي الْعُمْيَ وَلَوْ كَانُواْ لاَ يُبْصِرُونَ . إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَظْلِمُ النَّاسَ شَيْئًا وَلَـكِنَّ النَّاسَ أَنفُسَهُمْ يَظْلِمُونَ​

The explanation:
(Among them are some who listen to you Mohammed, [but with deaf ears.] But can you make the deaf to hear – eventhough they are without understanding? [No, you cannot make them hear.]

And some of them look to you [Mohammed, but with eyes blind to the correct way.] But can you guide the blind – though they see not [the correct way? Surely, you cannot guide but the one whom God likes [to guide], and you cannot make to hear but the one whom God guides.]

God wrongs not people in anything, but it is people who do wrong themselves.)

Or this in the Quran 8: 31​

وَإِذَا تُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتُنَا قَالُواْ قَدْ سَمِعْنَا لَوْ نَشَاء لَقُلْنَا مِثْلَ هَذَا إِنْ هَذَا إِلاَّ أَسَاطِيرُ الأوَّلِينَ​

The explanation: (When Our revelations are rehearsed to them, the [associaters] say: "We did hear [such old fables], if we wished we could say [words] like this [Quran]; surely this is nothing but written fables of the ancients.")​

eanassir

http://man-after-death.site.io
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[eanassir]

Typical. Even presented with an unambiguous photograph of rain falling out of the bottom of a cloud

See my replies to hermanntrude on April 28th, 2008, 01:34 PMand April 28th, 2008, 12:29 PM and April 28th, 2008, 11:18 PM

​

You still haven't grasped even the elementary fact that the moon is rotating, which is about as lame as not understanding that the earth is rotating.

Concerning the Moon, it rotates around the earth, but it does not spin around itself; and if we take it as do you say it spins at the same time as it rotates around the earth; the result – in all cases – will be that it keeps the same face towards the Earth, and we cannot see the other face.​

I can't read Arabic,

You don't read Arabic, don't you? And Lester don't know Arabic and ?Scott don't know Arabic either!? But God knows his enemies, and they cannot escape from Him; it is only a little respite, and they will perish as did their analogues perish before.
To me, I think you are some communists from Iraq or Egypt at least in origin.​

No doubt you'd tell me the only authoritative text is the Arabic one; maybe so, but unless you have an intimate knowledge and understanding of 7th century Arabic, you haven't really read the authoritative text either.

The Quran has kept or preserved the Arab language, from the seventh century till now; although there are some difficulties, but it can be understood, this may have lead to the increased in the ambiguous ayat or Quranic revelations, that need the explanation and interpretation.

See A. J. Arberry: The Koran interpreted; although such translation of the meaning is much defective.
http://arthurwendover.com/arthurs/koran/koran-arberry10.html


eanaair
http://universeandquran.741.com​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

See my replies to hermanntrude on April 28th, 2008, 01:34 PMand April 28th, 2008, 12:29 PM and April 28th, 2008, 11:18 PM

I've seen them. You're just wrong.

Concerning the Moon, it rotates around the earth, but it does not spin around itself;

Yes it does. It spins around itself in the same time it takes to orbit the earth, that's the only way it can keep the same face to the earth all the time. You're not getting it, and I doubt you ever will. If you were on the moon, you'd observe that the sun illuminates every part of it on a regular cycle, so it must be rotating on its axis with respect to the sun, and in fact from every possible observation point except the earth. What you're missing is the idea of reference frames.
​

 

[jimmoyer]

omigod LOL !!!

Our group of amigos, our amistad, regularly meets at bars to pontificate over politics, religion, sex, drugs, and rock and roll and JAZZ and art and psychology and philosophy.

Anyway, I thought (ruh-row) of an experiment. Since we regularly argue heatedly over politics while getting drunk, why not see if the cosmos infuriates us even more ?

"Back in the day", arguments over the cosmos were quite divisive. You know the whole deal. Galileo under house arrest. Copernicus ripping apart the Ptolemaic predictive model.

Well...I threw out to the group the question: Does the moon rotate on its own axis ?

Fisticuffs were what we came to. Columbia U graduates saying the moon does not rotate on its own axis.

Unbelievable !!!

This argument went on for two weeks in the bars. It has now become mythic in our memories and still so severe no one deigns to touch the subject, except for me.

The Moon does rotate on its own axis.

Thank you Dexter Sinsister.

 

[eanassir]

omigod LOL !!!

Since we regularly argue heatedly over politics while getting drunk, why not see if the cosmos infuriates us even more ?

This is in the Quran 21: 45-46​

قُلْ إِنَّمَا أُنذِرُكُم بِالْوَحْيِ وَلَا يَسْمَعُ الصُّمُّ الدُّعَاء إِذَا مَا يُنذَرُونَ . وَلَئِن مَّسَّتْهُمْ نَفْحَةٌ مِّنْ عَذَابِ رَبِّكَ لَيَقُولُنَّ يَا وَيْلَنَا إِنَّا كُنَّا ظَالِمِينَ​

The interpretation:
>> (Say [O Mohammed, to these associaters]: "I do warn you only according to the revelation") which came from my Lord, and it is not of my own accord.

>> (While the deaf will not hear the call) to which you call them,
>> (when they are warned)
It means: Most of them do not hear your call; because they imitate their fathers; as if they are deaf to hearing the Quran; and how will they hear the warning, and comply to the truth, while they – with this World – are detracted from the next world.

>> (And if a blast: of your Lord's wrath) like a severe heat wave or a hurricane or some intolerable chastisement
>> (does touch them),

>> (they will then say: "Alas for us! We have been wrong-doers.") It means: they will admit that they were wrong, and will pray their Lord to remove the chastisement from them.

eanaair
http://universeandquran.741.com​

 

[Lester]

Hollow threats, I reiterate you are a fool to believe some old text compared to PROVEN theory- The quran is simply nonsense as for not speaking or reading Arabic it would be gibberish in any language- your still a liar.

 

[eanassir]

Hollow threats, I reiterate you are a fool to believe some old text compared to PROVEN theory- The quran is simply nonsense as for not speaking or reading Arabic it would be gibberish in any language- your still a liar.

Prophet Mohammed was denied, as had many apostles been denied before him; this is in the Quran 35: 4​

وَإِن يُكَذِّبُوكَ فَقَدْ كُذِّبَتْ رُسُلٌ مِّن قَبْلِكَ وَإِلَى اللَّهِ تُرْجَعُ الأمُورُ​

The explanation: (But if they [: your people, now] deny you [Mohammed];

as such were [many] messengers denied before you,

and [all] souls will [after death] return to God [Who will recompense and punish them.] )

So his people denied him, at the beginning, and they said to him you a liar; as in the Quran 22: 42-44​

وَإِن يُكَذِّبُوكَ فَقَدْ كَذَّبَتْ قَبْلَهُمْ قَوْمُ نُوحٍ وَعَادٌ وَثَمُودُ . وَقَوْمُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَقَوْمُ لُوطٍ . وَأَصْحَابُ مَدْيَنَ وَكُذِّبَ مُوسَى فَأَمْلَيْتُ لِلْكَافِرِينَ ثُمَّ أَخَذْتُهُمْ فَكَيْفَ كَانَ نَكِيرِ​

The explanation:

(If they deny you [Mohammed], so too before them the people of Noah denied, as did [the tribes of] Aad and Thamood,

And the people of Abraham, and the people of Lot,

And the fellows of Median [the son of Abraham, denied], and [even] Moses was denied;

so I respited the unbelievers [for a little while] then I seized them [with punishment and destruction], then how was [their] denial!?)

Refer to: A. J. Arberry: The Koran interpreted; although such translation of the meaning is much defective.
http://arthurwendover.com/arthurs/koran/koran-arberry10.html


eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​