Does the rain come down from the cloud?

[eanassir]

Well, isn't that nice of you. Claiming the moral high ground, are you?

Small frogs came down with the rain​

Two years ago I and many others noticed the falling down of small frogs in large numbers, which filled the streets, lanes, gardens and roofs of houses in our large city. ​

Each of those frogs was about 2 cm., not more. All of them were of the same size, and they started jumping here and there to disappear in the cracks, holes and under the trees. Most of them disappeared (almost died), but very few may have survived in some house gardens and become larger. Their falling occurred at spring time when the wheather started to be warmer; and it was the time of the usaul storms. ​

This is at our link:
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_3.htm#Rain​

" Question: If the rain is originally from vapor, then what are these frogs and minute fishes that, sometimes, fall down together with the rain?
Answer: These animals fall down with the rain; because the wind carries these animals, and they stay hanging in the clouds, and when the rain comes down, they also come down with it."

eanassir
http://universeandquran.741.com​

 

[Lester]

It could be because of a waterspout( they are like tornados that form over water)I found this on wikipedia- A scientific explanation for the phenomenon has been developed that involves waterspouts. In effect, waterspouts are capable of capturing objects and animals and lifting them into the air. Under this theory, waterspouts or tornados, transport animals to relatively high altitudes, carrying them over large distances. The winds are capable of carrying the animals over a relatively wide area and allow them to fall in a concentrated fashion in a localized area.[3] More specifically, some tornados can completely suck up a pond, letting the water and animals fall some distance away in the form of a rain of animals.[4]
This hypothesis appears supported by the type of animals in these rains: small and light, usually aquatic.[5]. It is also supported by the fact that the rain of animals is often preceded by a storm.


Lester

 

[eanassir]

It could be because of a waterspout( they are like tornados that form over water)I found this on wikipedia- A scientific explanation for the phenomenon has been developed that involves waterspouts. In effect, waterspouts are capable of capturing objects and animals and lifting them into the air. Under this theory, waterspouts or tornados, transport animals to relatively high altitudes, carrying them over large distances. The winds are capable of carrying the animals over a relatively wide area and allow them to fall in a concentrated fashion in a localized area.[3] More specifically, some tornados can completely suck up a pond, letting the water and animals fall some distance away in the form of a rain of animals.[4]
This hypothesis appears supported by the type of animals in these rains: small and light, usually aquatic.[5]. It is also supported by the fact that the rain of animals is often preceded by a storm.
Lester

This confirms what the late interpreter of the Quran and the Bible said in the 1986 Arabic edition of his book which is at our website http://universeandquran.741.com
(Although the man did not graduate at any school.)

He said: "These animals fall down with the rain; because the wind carries these animals, and they stay hanging in the clouds, and when the rain comes down, they also come down with it."

And actually he said "the storms (or tornadoes) carry such animals"; I mistakenly translated it "the wind."

But the strange thing is:
The very large number of those frogs that covered a very large area at the same time, and the equal size of all of them; what could be the explanation of such a thing?

eanassir​

http://universeandquran.741.com

 

[eanassir]

The Hailstone​

Hailstones are formed
1. from the snow scattered high in the sky,
2. from the snow accumulated on the high mountains in cold countries; that is when a stormy wind passes on these mountains, it carries – by its way – some of such snow to some other places. Then, by passing in the atmosphere, these snows will be rolled down to be in the form of small white balls, which will fall down together with the rain, and destroy the plant wherever they may fall.

​

This is indicated by the fact that we see the falling of the hailstone is in the Spring, when the air becomes somewhat hot; because the hot wind melts out some of this snow, and lift the other non-molten snow, which - by passing again in the atmosphere – will freeze once again, and will roll down in the form of small white ice balls, which are the hailstone.
If you break one of those ice balls and examine it carefully, you will see:
· Some of these hailstones are transparent: these are molten out of the snow on its contact with the hot wind, then they have frozen.
· The other hailstones are white and non- transparent: such are carried by the wind as they are and have not molten.

God - be exalted – said in the Quran, 24: 43

)و يُنَزِّلُ مِنَ السّماءِ مِنْ جِبالٍ فِيها مِنْ بَرَدٍ فَيُصِيبُ بِهِ مَنْ يَشاءُ و يَصْرِفُهُ عَن مَّنْ يَشاءُيَكادُ سَنا بَرْقِهِ يَذْهَبُ بِالأبْصارِ )​

The explanation: (And He sends down – from the sky: from mountains therein – hail, so that He smites whom He will with it, and averts it from whom He will, well-nigh the flashing of its lightening snatches away the sight.)

The interpretation:
>> (And He sends down – from the sky) i.e. And He sends down the hailstone from the air [ which is the lower part of the atmosphere]

>> (from mountains therein –) i.e. in the sky of the Earth; they are mountains of clouds and snow. If you travel by airplane you will see many mountains spread in the space: they are only cloud mountains,

>> ( [some] hail) i.e. a little amount of hail is formed from these cloud mountains,

>> ( so that He smites whom He will) to destroy his plants [: crops and fruit] ( with it),

>> (and averts it from whom He will) to let his plants survive.

>>(well-nigh the flashing of its lightening) i.e. the lightening of the cloud; they are positive and negative electrical charges, from which the electrical sparks are formed which makes light at night,

>> (snatches away the sight); because of its extreme light and brightness in the darkness of night.

Large hailstones destroy the plants [: the crops and fruits] and kill the cattle and man, and, in fact, they harmed a large number of people.

The following incidents are some examples of that:

"The hailstones fell on the Nassiriah city in the south of Iraq, at about 7.50 am of the day of the blessed Feast of Breaking the Ramadan Fast [Barum Feast.]
Each piece was, as large as a brick, weighed 160 g. Its falling down lasted 20 minutes. It pored and pierced the ceilings and made them like a sieve. Many were injured when these hailstones fell down upon them, for which they were admitted to hospital."

http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_3.htm#Hailstone


eanassir
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[Dexter Sinister]

Hailstones are formed from water drops being repeatedly cycled up, where they freeze, and down by the updrafts and downdrafts inside storm cells, until they get too heavy for the updrafts to lift and fall out the bottom of the cloud.

A 160 gram hailstone would not be the size of a brick, it'd be slightly larger than the same mass of water. It'd be approximately spherical and a little more than 5 centimeters in diameter, about the size of a small orange. Pretty big for a hailstone, but nowhere near the size of a brick.

 

[shadowshiv]

The All-Hearing heard him, and He told us about that; then He said refuting him, as in the Quran 10: 91-92​

آلآنَ وَقَدْ عَصَيْتَ قَبْلُ وَكُنتَ مِنَ الْمُفْسِدِينَ . فَالْيَوْمَ نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ لِتَكُونَ لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ آيَةً وَإِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ النَّاسِ عَنْ آيَاتِنَا لَغَافِلُون​

The explanation: ([God said:] Now [have you believed?] And, before, you did rebel, being of those doing corruption [on earth.]​

But today We shall save you with your [huge fat] corpse, that you may be an indicative sign [of Our truthfulness] to those [coming] after you. But much many of mankind are heedless of Our signs.)​

eanassir

http://universeandquran.741.com​

I guess that answers your question, Karrie.;-):lol:

 

[Lester]

Eanassir: Why must you always quote the quran? Can you not think for yourself- the quran is an old text that was written when people were in ignorance of the true nature of things. I do not care what the quran says, nor do I imagine that many members of this site do either.

I do not wish to be converted to Islam, Christianity or anything else- If there is a God then i'm not going to pisss him off by nagging him with prayers about my petty problems.

So , if you want to have a discussion - leave religon out of it.

 

[eanassir]

Hailstones are formed from water drops being repeatedly cycled up, where they freeze, and down by the updrafts and downdrafts inside storm cells, until they get too heavy for the updrafts to lift and fall out the bottom of the cloud.

A 160 gram hailstone would not be the size of a brick, it'd be slightly larger than the same mass of water. It'd be approximately spherical and a little more than 5 centimeters in diameter, about the size of a small orange. Pretty big for a hailstone, but nowhere near the size of a brick.

This was according to the eyewitnesses that told the news in this old newspaper.

The description that you said is applicable to the usual kind of the hailstones, which also subdivide into two types:​

• the hailstone that is uprolled by the wind and did not melt: this will be white in the cross section
• the hailstone that is uprolled by the hot wind, melt and then freeze once again and get bigger: this will be transparent + white in the cross section.

http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_3.htm#Hailstone


But the other kind of the hailstone, that is carried by the storms from the high mountains; it is possible, especially when some of the snow on the tops of mountains is fluffy and not so compact, and the stormy wind can carry such snow with them; as it has carried some small animals like frogs and fishes. (Tornadoes can carry much heavier objects.)

The indication of that is the occasional falling of colored hailstone: red and black which has been carried from the dust of the mountains and contaminated the snow that has become the colored hails.

eanassir
http://universeandquran.741.com​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Hailstones are not formed by wind carrying snow off the tops of mountains. If they were there'd be perpetual hailstorms on the lee side of mountain ranges. There aren't. You're never going to understand how nature really works as long as you continue to take the Quran and al-Hilly's ignorant interpretation of it as scientific truth.

And I'll reiterate Lester's comments and questions too. Why do you continue to take the Quran seriously as the source of all true knowledge? It's not, as your ongoing inability to understand something as simple as the fact of the moon's rotation makes clear, because you're simply and completely wrong about it. So is the Quran, and so is al-Hilly. Did you get that? You're wrong. The Quran is wrong. Al-Hilly is wrong. WRONG! Provably wrong, demonstrably wrong, and at every site where you've posted this stuff you've been attacked and mocked and criticized and corrected, or ignored. Nobody's buying this nonsense you're peddling, but you remain impervious to reason and evidence. There's a word for people like that.

 

[eanassir]

Eanassir: Why must you always quote the quran? Can you not think for yourself- the quran is an old text that was written when people were in ignorance of the true nature of things. I do not care what the quran says, nor do I imagine that many members of this site do either.

I do not wish to be converted to Islam, Christianity or anything else- If there is a God then i'm not going to pisss him off by nagging him with prayers about my petty problems.

So , if you want to have a discussion - leave religon out of it.

It is not as you say: "was written": you mean was written and compiled by Mohammed. Not so, but God revealed it to be a light and guidance for all humanity, as had He revealed the Torah and the Gospel before.

God – be glorified – said in the Quran 25: 6​

قُلْ أَنزَلَهُ الَّذِي يَعْلَمُ السِّرَّ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ إِنَّهُ كَانَ غَفُورًا رَّحِيمًا​

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed, to them]:

"[It is God], That revealed [the Quran], Who knows the secret [that is] in the heavens and the earth;

for surely He is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.)

This Quran quotation will be for all: ​

• The disbeliever will read it, do not believe, and it will be against him; he should not afterwards: I didn't know; I was unaware of the Quran.
• The believer will read it, believe more and understand many things, and will be for his behalf in the next world.

Without the Quran, the word of God, people will be in the darkness of ignorance; even though they are graduated and qualified.

This is in the Quran 45: 23​

أَفَرَأَيْتَ مَنِ اتَّخَذَ إِلَهَهُ هَوَاهُ وَأَضَلَّهُ اللَّهُ عَلَى عِلْمٍ وَخَتَمَ عَلَى سَمْعِهِ وَقَلْبِهِ وَجَعَلَ عَلَى بَصَرِهِ غِشَاوَةً فَمَن يَهْدِيهِ مِن بَعْدِ اللَّهِ أَفَلَا تَذَكَّرُونَ​

The explanation:
(Have you considered him who takes as his god according to his desires,

and God leads him astray in spite of having knowledge,

and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart, and has placed upon his eyesight a covering?

Who then shall guide him after God [has misguided him?] Will you not then reflect?)


Moreover, the Glorious Quran is an essential part of the education, why should not they study its ayat Quranic revelations)?
At least see A. J. Arberry: The Koran interpreted; (although it is much defective).
http://arthurwendover.com/arthurs/koran/koran-arberry10.html



eanassir
http://universeandquran.741.com
http://man-after-death.site.io
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​

 

[Lester]

I suspect Mohammed was a charlatan and too lazy to get a real job- you've been deceived I'm afraid.(same for Jesus and Moses)

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Without the Quran, the word of God, people will be in the darkness of ignorance; even though they are graduated and qualified.

From the evidence and arguments you've presented so far in your multiple threads about scientific matters based on interpretations of the Quran, the person in the darkness of ignorance is the one with the Quran, with the supposed word of God.

Yes, that means you. Arguments from authority have no place in science. That's all you've ever produced. You don't have a clue what you're talking about and you have no comprehension of what science is or how it works. I find it hard to believe you're an M.D. as you claim. I hope I never end up in any clinic where you're working, I wouldn't trust you to diagnose a simple sinus infection. Insha Allah, you would tell me, as God wills, nothing to be done about it, suffer and pray for relief.

Emshee.

 

[eanassir]

Hailstones are not formed by wind carrying snow off the tops of mountains. If they were there'd be perpetual hailstorms on the lee side of mountain ranges. There aren't. You're never going to understand how nature really works as long as you continue to take the Quran and al-Hilly's ignorant interpretation of it as scientific truth.

wrong. ..wrong. wrong. WRONG! Provably wrong, demonstrably wrong

Anyone that dislikes the Quran, then surely God dislikes him and he is unfortunate and ignorant in spite of the science and qualification that God bestowed on him.​

Moreover, anyone that dislikes the Quran quotation, let him know this is not directed to his person, let him see the scientific items and discuss that.​

My reply is directed to all readers, not to the atheist and the disbeliever in particular.​

Example: if you had read the post about the hailstone carefully and referred to our site http://universeandquran.741.com, you would have found that your words and expressions: when you said:​

"Hailstones are formed from water drops being repeatedly cycled up, where they freeze, and down by the updrafts and downdrafts inside storm cells, until they get too heavy for the updrafts to lift and fall out the bottom of the cloud." ​

You would have found that they are the same words in our site; only you have expressed in better language and more eloquent really.​

Go once again, although you may be so proud to yield, and see the evidence of the colored hails, and see how the storm may lift the fluffy snow that is not compacted, and why not? It may not be perpetual; because the storms and the weather circumstances are not perpetual.
http://universeandquran.741.com/new_page_3.htm#Hailstone​

eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[eanassir]

From the evidence and arguments you've presented so far in your multiple threads

I will have not any advantage from saying any word of non-respect to anyone, and this is not my intention at all. ​

 

[FUBAR]

I find that the best book on the many different gods is called "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchet. Explains who needs religion the most.........gods or people...........

 

[eanassir]

I find that the best book on the many different gods is called "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchet. Explains who needs religion the most.........gods or people...........

The best book in the world now is the Glorious Quran; because it is the word of God: word by word and letter by letter.​

This is in the Quran 39: 23​

اللَّهُ نَزَّلَ أَحْسَنَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابًا مُّتَشَابِهًا مَّثَانِيَ تَقْشَعِرُّ مِنْهُ جُلُودُ الَّذِينَ يَخْشَوْنَ رَبَّهُمْ ثُمَّ تَلِينُ جُلُودُهُمْ وَقُلُوبُهُمْ إِلَى ذِكْرِ اللَّهِ ذَلِكَ هُدَى اللَّهِ يَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ يَشَاء وَمَن يُضْلِلْ اللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُ مِنْ هَادٍ​

The explanation: ​

(God has revealed the best relation: a book [: the Quran] similar [to the relation of the Torah; or stories of the Torah that have been] repeated [in the Quran, like how does the Book of Deuteronomy includes the repeated instructions and laws of the Torah], ​

at which the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble with quivering, then their skins and their hearts do soften to the admonition of God. ​

Such is God's guidance with which He guides whom He pleases; ​

but whomsoever God misguides, there will be none to guide him.)​

The Quran includes a large number of jewels and pearls, with different values: some of its pearls are like the size of a big orange, others like the size of an egg, others smaller and so on of precious jewels and gems. ​

These in fact are more valuable and more precious than gold and other material jewels: such are the words of God the All-Knowing, to which He may not guide the wrong-doers; they will wander about like the blind, and it will increase their loss.​

For those who like to see some of its meaning, they can go to:
A.J. Arberry: The Quran interpreted; although it is much defective.
http://arthurwendover.com/arthurs/koran/koran-arberry10.html
(you can download it here easily)​

And can go to our websites to see more about the Holy Quran.
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
http://man-after-death.site.io
http://universeandquran.741.com​

eanassir​

 

[FUBAR]

Or you can go here and learn far more and you will free your blind eyes and locked mind....

Small Gods (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your god needs you more than you need him...........

 

[eanassir]

Or you can go here and learn far more and you will free your blind eyes and locked mind....

Small Gods (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your god needs you more than you need him...........

Why not we may base our doctrine on novels and Tom & Jerry cartoons!
OK why not let us see this blessed novel!

But be merciful to your head or to the wall!​

 

[FUBAR]

<sigh>..it's a cartoon not really me............

 

[eanassir]

Or you can go here and learn far more and you will free your blind eyes and locked mind....

Small Gods (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your god needs you more than you need him...........

It is very strange how their minds accept the fabricated myths, and leave behind the word of God the Creator.

It may be related to their childhood enjoyment with "Alice in the wonderland" and other similar stories.

See A. J. Arberry: The Quran interpreted; (although it is much defective).
http://arthurwendover.com/arthurs/koran/koran-arberry10.html
See chapter 40: 81- 85

I give you this Quranic revelation 40: 83​

فَلَمَّا جَاءتْهُمْ رُسُلُهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ فَرِحُوا بِمَا عِندَهُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ وَحَاقَ بِهِم مَّا كَانُوا بِهِ يَسْتَهْزِؤُون​

The explanation:
(Then when their messengers [: apostles] came to them with the manifest [signs],

they [denied them and] rejoiced in the knowledge that they had [concerning the disintegration of bodies after death],

and [the punishment] – at which they mocked – overwhelmed them.)


eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
http://man-after-death.site.io
http://universeandquran.741.com​